Aaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh >:( AP Diving

Mark Chase · 17th May 2006, 22:53

OK so i phone them and say my heads playing up but i am going away for a weeks diving on the 20th so can you get it fixed.

Ohhhhhhhh we will do our best they say.

So its sent down overnight and they have it Wednesday last week.

I phone today.

They haven't even looked at it yet and I should allow 15 days for repair??????

F@cking great when I am diving for a week on Loyal Watcher come Saturday?

Are you? they ask

Errrrr yes thats what I said on the phone and put in writing when I sent the head in.

Oh well Ill get them to have a look tomorow??????????

But i don't think we can get it back by Friday???????????????????????????

Soooooooooooo

Looks like my first ever dive on a HH will be between 70m and 90m >

F@cked off or what...

Knew this would happen

Mark Chase

sven · 18th May 2006, 00:19

Mark,

My commiserations ... Had a similar experience, where it took them 7!!! weeks to repair one handset. Missed out on a long weekend in one of my favourity dive spots as a result. And as in your case, they acted against written instructions, which cost me extra import duty and also delayed the return of the head unnecessarily.

Something has changed in APD, and not for the better!

Mod: Maybe this thread should be moved into the Inspiration forum?

heyydude · 18th May 2006, 01:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

----Snip------

Soooooooooooo

Looks like my first ever dive on a HH will be between 70m and 90m >

F@cked off or what...

Knew this would happen

Mark Chase

Mark,

You know what I'm going to say... DO NOT make your first dive with any new kit 70-90m P-L-E-A-S-E!

I've lost my share of friends, and even though you aren't even (technically) a customer, I don't want you to be taking unnecessary risks. There isn't anything down there worth it - believe me.

Even if you had your original head back from AP, I wouldn't do a 90m dive on it right away.

Please be careful no matter what you do - be it shallow or deep. You're a talented diver, and an asset to the Rebreather community - stick around for a while...

Maybe I'll get some money out of you eventually...

Take care,

Kevin.

JonnyB · 18th May 2006, 07:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by heyydude)

Mark,

You know what I'm going to say... DO NOT make your first dive with any new kit 70-90m P-L-E-A-S-E!

I've lost my share of friends, and even though you aren't even (technically) a customer, I don't want you to be taking unnecessary risks. There isn't anything down there worth it - believe me.

Even if you had your original head back from AP, I wouldn't do a 90m dive on it right away.

Please be careful no matter what you do - be it shallow or deep. You're a talented diver, and an asset to the Rebreather community - stick around for a while...

Maybe I'll get some money out of you eventually...

Take care,

Kevin.

I'll second Kevin for that, it aint worth it mate!

/Jonny

Mark Chase · 18th May 2006, 08:20

Yes your both absolutely right, sorry I wrote the post in a fit of anger and the last bit was true but reflects a level of stupidity even I cant achieve

Hopefully we will do a warm up dive in about 60m and If I haven't got my head back Ill be spending the whole dive on the shot at various depths fiddling with my HH. I will also have two 10ltr bailouts and a VR3 (or two) as back up. Ill run one VR3 in OC mode with my bailouts programed in so I don't have to fiddle and the other in CCR on 1.2. to back up the HH.

My attitude is if i screw up on the HH it will be a PP02 issue. If i am paying attention that should not escalate into anything serious and if in doubt Ill just bail. Ill be double checking the deco (custom set to 20/80GF) against the VR3 which seems to run about right with 20/80.

I have been dry running the unit and it appears straight forward enough. Ill try and jump in to Layborn Lake tomorrow as well.

Well aware now of the need to calibrate both hand sets. At the end of the day if I calibrate them correctly (should be able to confirm on the boat and at 6m) They will give me PP02 readings that if nothing else i can manage manually.

I reckon on my normal rig the dive is 60/40 with 60% being the dive and 40 being checking hand sets. The HUD makes this possible. If i have to run the HH its going to be more like 80/20 to the HH.

Ultimately if I don't feel comfortable Ill can all the dives and go home to my kids.

ATB

Mark Chase

Mdemon · 18th May 2006, 08:32

Great news Mark!

I know a very lovely lady who said she might lend you her Inspo head for the week! You'll have to sort couriering(sp?), but other than that...

Gimme a call? I'll check it's still OK at this end...

(PS I've been told I have to come and dive with you to make sure you don't lose it - at least you can guarantee your kit's coming back...

)

Mark Chase · 18th May 2006, 08:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon)

Great news Mark!

I know a very lovely lady who said she might lend you her Inspo head for the week! You'll have to sort couriering(sp?), but other than that...

Gimme a call? I'll check it's still OK at this end...

(PS I've been told I have to come and dive with you to make sure you don't lose it - at least you can guarantee your kit's coming back...

)

Thanks Buddy, Sorry in advance but I might be a nervous diver all week. It will give my SWM shot monitor tag line new meening

ATB

Mark Chase

PCDiver · 18th May 2006, 08:50

Hi Mark,

some tips that might be useful (you probably know all them):

Make sure you have full battery in both handsets and that they were not drained because the handsets stayed on due to spray or a problem with the depth sensors. After the dive, rinse immediately with fresh water, dry the wet connectors and wait until the handsets turn off automatically. Put a towel/cover over the handsets to keep them dry.
Do a proper callibration. It takes more time and O2 than on the classic but you only have to do it once for an entire trip. I O2 flush four to five times until the MV readings are completely stable. Make sure that the pressure in the lungs is not higher than ambient pressure.
I have the primary on my arm and clip the secondary to the counter lung. I have a VR3 on my right arm and tend to look at that more ofter. The VR3 provides more information and is easier to look at. I set the SP on the VR3 0.05 BAR lower than the actual SP.
Make sure all your gasses are programmed in the HH and the VR3.
I set the Diva to alert mode. The red warning led really draws your attention. I can't be bothered to count the flashes.
Reset the stack timer when you fill the cannister.
Set the O2 IP to 7.5 or higher. I believe that Kevin recommended 9 bar in some other post.

I hope this helps a bit. Enjoy the dives but keep it safe.

Peter

Mark Chase · 18th May 2006, 09:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver)

Hi Mark,

some tips that might be useful (you probably know all them):

Make sure you have full battery in both handsets and that they were not drained because the handsets stayed on due to spray or a problem with the depth sensors. After the dive, rinse immediately with fresh water, dry the wet connectors and wait until the handsets turn off automatically. Put a towel/cover over the handsets to keep them dry.
Do a proper callibration. It takes more time and O2 than on the classic but you only have to do it once for an entire trip. I O2 flush four to five times until the MV readings are completely stable. Make sure that the pressure in the lungs is not higher than ambient pressure.
I have the primary on my arm and clip the secondary to the counter lung. I have a VR3 on my right arm and tend to look at that more ofter. The VR3 provides more information and is easier to look at. I set the SP on the VR3 0.05 BAR lower than the actual SP.
Make sure all your gasses are programmed in the HH and the VR3.
I set the Diva to alert mode. The red warning led really draws your attention. I can't be bothered to count the flashes.
Reset the stack timer when you fill the cannister.
Set the O2 IP to 7.5 or higher. I believe that Kevin recommended 9 bar in some other post.

I hope this helps a bit. Enjoy the dives but keep it safe.

Peter

Thanks thats very usefull info.

Totaly agree on the HUD mode

I have set the stack timer to max and plan to put fresh batteries in every two dives. I understand that changing the batteries re sets the stack timer? but ill check it anyway.

I have had the buzzer on the Insp going off in my ear for 45mins and that was bad but a vibrating HUD would have me skipping deco

ATB

Mark Chase

PCDiver · 18th May 2006, 09:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

I have set the stack timer to max and plan to put fresh batteries in every two dives. I understand that changing the batteries re sets the stack timer? but ill check it anyway.

I have had the buzzer on the Insp going off in my ear for 45mins and that was bad but a vibrating HUD would have me skipping deco

ATB

Mark Chase

Make sure you put the primary in "go to sleep" mode when you change the batteries. If you don't the primary will loose the tissue loading information.
You can always use the 3.6V battery in the primary and low capacity one in the secondary. I try to avoid changing batteries on a boat.

If you run into strange battery problems (bad contact), clean the battery cap and put some conductive silicone gel on the cap threads. I had the primary dying at 15 meters but working at the surface on a full battery. Cleaning the cap and the gel solved that problem.

You can always reset the stack timer underwater. Better for your teeth fillings.

17th May 2006, 22:53	#1 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,821	Aaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh >:( AP Diving OK so i phone them and say my heads playing up but i am going away for a weeks diving on the 20th so can you get it fixed. Ohhhhhhhh we will do our best they say. So its sent down overnight and they have it Wednesday last week. I phone today. They haven't even looked at it yet and I should allow 15 days for repair?????? F@cking great when I am diving for a week on Loyal Watcher come Saturday? Are you? they ask Errrrr yes thats what I said on the phone and put in writing when I sent the head in. Oh well Ill get them to have a look tomorow?????????? But i don't think we can get it back by Friday??????????????????????????? Soooooooooooo Looks like my first ever dive on a HH will be between 70m and 90m > F@cked off or what... Knew this would happen Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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18th May 2006, 00:19	#2 (permalink)
sven Blogs Admin / Forum Mod Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 551	Re: Aaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh >:( AP Diving Mark, My commiserations ... Had a similar experience, where it took them 7!!! weeks to repair one handset. Missed out on a long weekend in one of my favourity dive spots as a result. And as in your case, they acted against written instructions, which cost me extra import duty and also delayed the return of the head unnecessarily. Something has changed in APD, and not for the better! Mod: Maybe this thread should be moved into the Inspiration forum? __________________ Regards, Sven The Sydney Project website: http://www.sydneyproject.com My Blog: http://sven.rebreatherworld.com "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain
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18th May 2006, 01:46	#3 (permalink)
heyydude King of the Geeks Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Optima Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Addison, Pennsylvania Posts: 380	Re: Aaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh >:( AP Diving Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) ----Snip------ Soooooooooooo Looks like my first ever dive on a HH will be between 70m and 90m > F@cked off or what... Knew this would happen Mark Chase Mark, You know what I'm going to say... DO NOT make your first dive with any new kit 70-90m P-L-E-A-S-E! I've lost my share of friends, and even though you aren't even (technically) a customer, I don't want you to be taking unnecessary risks. There isn't anything down there worth it - believe me. Even if you had your original head back from AP, I wouldn't do a 90m dive on it right away. Please be careful no matter what you do - be it shallow or deep. You're a talented diver, and an asset to the Rebreather community - stick around for a while... Maybe I'll get some money out of you eventually... Take care, Kevin.
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18th May 2006, 07:31	#4 (permalink)
JonnyB Johnny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 987	Re: Aaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh >:( AP Diving Quote: (Originally Posted by heyydude) Mark, You know what I'm going to say... DO NOT make your first dive with any new kit 70-90m P-L-E-A-S-E! I've lost my share of friends, and even though you aren't even (technically) a customer, I don't want you to be taking unnecessary risks. There isn't anything down there worth it - believe me. Even if you had your original head back from AP, I wouldn't do a 90m dive on it right away. Please be careful no matter what you do - be it shallow or deep. You're a talented diver, and an asset to the Rebreather community - stick around for a while... Maybe I'll get some money out of you eventually... Take care, Kevin. I'll second Kevin for that, it aint worth it mate! /Jonny __________________ A quote from Crazyduck - In remembering our own Rob Davies. "Outbound flight 777 heavy you are cleared for flight Due west into that warm red Texas sunset You have angels on your wings and divers memories on your six." Rest In Peace http://www.divetekcyprus.com http://www.diveccr.com
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18th May 2006, 08:20	#5 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,821	Re: Aaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh >:( AP Diving Yes your both absolutely right, sorry I wrote the post in a fit of anger and the last bit was true but reflects a level of stupidity even I cant achieve Hopefully we will do a warm up dive in about 60m and If I haven't got my head back Ill be spending the whole dive on the shot at various depths fiddling with my HH. I will also have two 10ltr bailouts and a VR3 (or two) as back up. Ill run one VR3 in OC mode with my bailouts programed in so I don't have to fiddle and the other in CCR on 1.2. to back up the HH. My attitude is if i screw up on the HH it will be a PP02 issue. If i am paying attention that should not escalate into anything serious and if in doubt Ill just bail. Ill be double checking the deco (custom set to 20/80GF) against the VR3 which seems to run about right with 20/80. I have been dry running the unit and it appears straight forward enough. Ill try and jump in to Layborn Lake tomorrow as well. Well aware now of the need to calibrate both hand sets. At the end of the day if I calibrate them correctly (should be able to confirm on the boat and at 6m) They will give me PP02 readings that if nothing else i can manage manually. I reckon on my normal rig the dive is 60/40 with 60% being the dive and 40 being checking hand sets. The HUD makes this possible. If i have to run the HH its going to be more like 80/20 to the HH. Ultimately if I don't feel comfortable Ill can all the dives and go home to my kids. ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote] Last edited by Mark Chase : 18th May 2006 at 08:24.
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18th May 2006, 08:32	#6 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,940	Good news! Great news Mark! I know a very lovely lady who said she might lend you her Inspo head for the week! You'll have to sort couriering(sp?), but other than that... Gimme a call? I'll check it's still OK at this end... (PS I've been told I have to come and dive with you to make sure you don't lose it - at least you can guarantee your kit's coming back... ) __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "small minds talk about people, Average Minds Talk About Events, GREAT MINDS TALK ABOUT IDEAS!" The WRONG Attitude will get you killed. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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18th May 2006, 08:47	#7 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,821	Re: Good news! Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon) Great news Mark! I know a very lovely lady who said she might lend you her Inspo head for the week! You'll have to sort couriering(sp?), but other than that... Gimme a call? I'll check it's still OK at this end... (PS I've been told I have to come and dive with you to make sure you don't lose it - at least you can guarantee your kit's coming back... ) Thanks Buddy, Sorry in advance but I might be a nervous diver all week. It will give my SWM shot monitor tag line new meening ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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18th May 2006, 08:50	#8 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 999	Re: Aaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh >:( AP Diving Hi Mark, some tips that might be useful (you probably know all them): Make sure you have full battery in both handsets and that they were not drained because the handsets stayed on due to spray or a problem with the depth sensors. After the dive, rinse immediately with fresh water, dry the wet connectors and wait until the handsets turn off automatically. Put a towel/cover over the handsets to keep them dry. Do a proper callibration. It takes more time and O2 than on the classic but you only have to do it once for an entire trip. I O2 flush four to five times until the MV readings are completely stable. Make sure that the pressure in the lungs is not higher than ambient pressure. I have the primary on my arm and clip the secondary to the counter lung. I have a VR3 on my right arm and tend to look at that more ofter. The VR3 provides more information and is easier to look at. I set the SP on the VR3 0.05 BAR lower than the actual SP. Make sure all your gasses are programmed in the HH and the VR3. I set the Diva to alert mode. The red warning led really draws your attention. I can't be bothered to count the flashes. Reset the stack timer when you fill the cannister. Set the O2 IP to 7.5 or higher. I believe that Kevin recommended 9 bar in some other post. I hope this helps a bit. Enjoy the dives but keep it safe. Peter
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18th May 2006, 09:00	#9 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,821	Re: Aaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh >:( AP Diving Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver) Hi Mark, some tips that might be useful (you probably know all them): Make sure you have full battery in both handsets and that they were not drained because the handsets stayed on due to spray or a problem with the depth sensors. After the dive, rinse immediately with fresh water, dry the wet connectors and wait until the handsets turn off automatically. Put a towel/cover over the handsets to keep them dry. Do a proper callibration. It takes more time and O2 than on the classic but you only have to do it once for an entire trip. I O2 flush four to five times until the MV readings are completely stable. Make sure that the pressure in the lungs is not higher than ambient pressure. I have the primary on my arm and clip the secondary to the counter lung. I have a VR3 on my right arm and tend to look at that more ofter. The VR3 provides more information and is easier to look at. I set the SP on the VR3 0.05 BAR lower than the actual SP. Make sure all your gasses are programmed in the HH and the VR3. I set the Diva to alert mode. The red warning led really draws your attention. I can't be bothered to count the flashes. Reset the stack timer when you fill the cannister. Set the O2 IP to 7.5 or higher. I believe that Kevin recommended 9 bar in some other post. I hope this helps a bit. Enjoy the dives but keep it safe. Peter Thanks thats very usefull info. Totaly agree on the HUD mode I have set the stack timer to max and plan to put fresh batteries in every two dives. I understand that changing the batteries re sets the stack timer? but ill check it anyway. I have had the buzzer on the Insp going off in my ear for 45mins and that was bad but a vibrating HUD would have me skipping deco ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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18th May 2006, 09:20	#10 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 999	Re: Aaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh >:( AP Diving Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) I have set the stack timer to max and plan to put fresh batteries in every two dives. I understand that changing the batteries re sets the stack timer? but ill check it anyway. I have had the buzzer on the Insp going off in my ear for 45mins and that was bad but a vibrating HUD would have me skipping deco ATB Mark Chase Make sure you put the primary in "go to sleep" mode when you change the batteries. If you don't the primary will loose the tissue loading information. You can always use the 3.6V battery in the primary and low capacity one in the secondary. I try to avoid changing batteries on a boat. If you run into strange battery problems (bad contact), clean the battery cap and put some conductive silicone gel on the cap threads. I had the primary dying at 15 meters but working at the surface on a full battery. Cleaning the cap and the gel solved that problem. You can always reset the stack timer underwater. Better for your teeth fillings.
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