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Old 5th May 2006, 07:56   #1 (permalink)
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Inspiration Classic, wrong (Evo) lungs?

I just finished my course on my brand new Inspiration Classic.
However when I compare it to other classics, there is a difference in the fastening of the T-pieces on the lungs.

On other (older) classics, the T-pieces are approx. 5cm from the back/top of the lung, but on my unit they are approx. 10cm from the back/top.
Result: The T-pieces are almost tuching my mask :-/

I am wondering if I have gotten an Evolution lungs on my Inspiration Classic.
Serial number of the lungs: EVL 5 K xxxx 07
(I think this indicates Evolution....)

Solution for now:
Move the backplate up one hole (4cm), the lungs and T-pieces are comfortable, but the unit it self hangs far down on my ass (making me look silly) :-(

Anyone with comments?

BTW: I also have the O2 cells with SMB-connectors in the unit.


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Old 5th May 2006, 08:47   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Inspiration Classic, wrong (Evo) lungs?

Can understand what you are saying The easy answer is to remove the harness & lungs from the box (remove confort pad to access the nuts ) & move the counterlung locating hole ,some have 2 different positions already punched others you need to make the hole yourself .
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Re: Inspiration Classic, wrong (Evo) lungs?

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Can understand what you are saying The easy answer is to remove the harness & lungs from the box (remove confort pad to access the nuts ) & move the counterlung locating hole ,some have 2 different positions already punched others you need to make the hole yourself .
Nope :-)

The counterlung should be moved back (down on my back), and there are no extra holes in the top. If I move it one step down, the top bolt is outside the webbing of the lung.

The question I asked is if I have gotten the wrong set of lungs. (Evolution lungs on an Inspiration).

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Re: Inspiration Classic, wrong (Evo) lungs?

Surely then the easy way is to send a mail to AP ?
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Re: Inspiration Classic, wrong (Evo) lungs?

Quote: (Originally Posted by colinicky)
Surely then the easy way is to send a mail to AP ?
Did that yesterday, waiting for answer

Thought I should ask if anyone in here knows.

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Re: Inspiration Classic, wrong (Evo) lungs?

According to the APValves Retail Price List, the Inspiration (vision?) Lungs have following codes:

RB01A - Medium
RB01 - Large
RB01B - Ex Large

Evolution counterlungs are listed separately ...
EV01A - Medium
EV01 - Large
EV01B - Ex Large

Looks like you might indeed have the wrong ones fitted.

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Re: Inspiration Classic, wrong (Evo) lungs?

They stick the wrong counterlungs on a new Rebreather? I was wrong to doubt my KISS. I won't be trading.

What's next? Leaving the back off? Not bothering to put the thing together at all? Oh, that's how the KISS arrives

And my mates wonder why I didn't just get an inspo.

I used to have a lot of time for AP...
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Re: Inspiration Classic, wrong (Evo) lungs?

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They stick the wrong counterlungs on a new Rebreather? I was wrong to doubt my KISS. I won't be trading.

What's next? Leaving the back off? Not bothering to put the thing together at all? Oh, that's how the KISS arrives

And my mates wonder why I didn't just get an inspo.

I used to have a lot of time for AP...
To be fair Digger, Evo lungs aren't that much different to Inspo ones (apart from a few D rings, & colours). It's not as if they've left something important out, & I don't think you'll find he'll have too much of a problem with APD exchanging them for the correct ones. Yes, it's a bit of a pain that this has happened, but it's not life threatening.

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Re: Inspiration Classic, wrong (Evo) lungs?

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To be fair Digger, Evo lungs aren't that much different to Inspo ones (apart from a few D rings, & colours). It's not as if they've left something important out, & I don't think you'll find he'll have too much of a problem with APD exchanging them for the correct ones. Yes, it's a bit of a pain that this has happened, but it's not life threatening.

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OK, it's not life threatening. This time. It's ok that you buy a rebreather for a few thousand and find out yourself that they've put one of the major components on the wrong rebreather.

I wouldn't expect any problem with APD exchanging them for new ones. I'd expect they overnighted them to me with a grovelling apology and probably let me keep the wrong ones I have to avoid me having to go to the post office. But then that's what the AP of old would have done. Times have changed I think.

I just can't get my head around trusting a rebreather (as far as it's possibel to trust a rebreather) made by a company that can't get the bits attatched to the right unit. Did they just run out of inspo lung on a friday afternoon and think it would be ok? Or was it just someone who didn't know the difference between one part and another? Either way I don't want that sort of error going on near my unit, who knows what else could be wrong. A friend of mine said that they'd had a lot of "friday afternoon" rebreathers by the sounds of it, it seems that it's Friday afternoon more often than once a week thse days.

Apologies for being a but forthright, but I feel quite strongly about this, and I'm concerned about the quality you don't seem to be getting as consumers.

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Re: Inspiration Classic, wrong (Evo) lungs?

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OK, it's not life threatening. This time. It's ok that you buy a rebreather for a few thousand and find out yourself that they've put one of the major components on the wrong rebreather.

I wouldn't expect any problem with APD exchanging them for new ones. I'd expect they overnighted them to me with a grovelling apology and probably let me keep the wrong ones I have to avoid me having to go to the post office. But then that's what the AP of old would have done. Times have changed I think.

I just can't get my head around trusting a rebreather (as far as it's possibel to trust a rebreather) made by a company that can't get the bits attatched to the right unit. Did they just run out of inspo lung on a friday afternoon and think it would be ok? Or was it just someone who didn't know the difference between one part and another? Either way I don't want that sort of error going on near my unit, who knows what else could be wrong. A friend of mine said that they'd had a lot of "friday afternoon" rebreathers by the sounds of it, it seems that it's Friday afternoon more often than once a week thse days.

Apologies for being a but forthright, but I feel quite strongly about this, and I'm concerned about the quality you don't seem to be getting as consumers.

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The way I read your post is that it's a major problem that could have cost someone their life, the reality is, it hasn't & wouldn't have. As I've said, the Evo & Inspo lungs are identical accept for a few D rings & colour of the outer bag. They don't perform in any different way to each other. I dare say it could have been quite easy for someone at the factory to pick up the Evo lungs by mistake, as they obviously have.
Many of the items on the Evo are the same as the Inspo, apart from the manifold, case, scubber cannister & cartridge, 1st stages & harness. Everything else is the same, even if you were to get any of the above mixed up, it still wouldn't make for a dangerous unit.
If anything important is missing or incorrect, then the diver, & most certainly any competent instructor, would have picked it up when checking it over. If not, they have no place diving it, & certainly no place teaching it.
I really don't see this as much of a problem other than having to take it apart to exchange the items when they arrive.

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