Latest mods....

Nick uk. · 8th March 2006, 18:28

Here is what i came up with for the travel frame-cam band dilema.......i'll let the pictures do the talking but am happy to answer any questions.

Mark Wan · 8th March 2006, 22:06

Welded on jubilee clips top and bottom, plus the velcro backed webbing from the original case to secure it further? I can't see if you've welded it to one or two of the vertical bars.

Or have I misinterpreted the photos?

**Gill Envy** · 8th March 2006, 22:54

bare with me, i'm just zeroing in on this travel frame option. I am making a few assumptions about it's benefits, they are:
1. it's more compact, easier to travel with...lets you get rid of the big yellow box, that is mainly for asthetics.
2. it makes it possible to put either the 13 or 19 cf tanks on the unit...more versatile
3. will fit either the inspiration size scrubber or the evolution size scrubber
4. If 2 and 3 is correct, would it not allow someone to then be able to get an evolution, purchase the inspo scrubber, and sets of 13 and 19cf tanks and have the flexibility of nearly the meg but with vision electronics? (forgive me in advance for potentially offending the meg owners).
am i missing something or being painfully obvious?
If my assumptions are correct, it's only a matter of time before my wife and I end up tearing down our new evolutions and doing a make over... some time in the future after they arrive, that is.

Nick uk. · 8th March 2006, 23:04

You Are Both Right!! :d :d

Mark Wan · 8th March 2006, 23:06

I have a travel frame, but not yet gotten it wet, so I'll try and reply based on what I've read in other threads. The idea behind the travelframe is to have a lighter and smaller scrubber housing which you can travel with, also allowing you to use most any size rental tank at your destination.

As i understand it, the travelframe is lighter but denser than the ABS shell, so you use less lead with the unit.

The case can hold the Inspiration and the smaller Evolution scrubber canisters.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gillenvy)

4. If 2 and 3 is correct, would it not allow someone to then be able to get an evolution, purchase the inspo scrubber, and sets of 13 and 19cf tanks and have the flexibility of nearly the meg but with vision electronics? (forgive me in advance for potentially offending the meg owners).

Why not just purchase an Inspiration with Vision electronics instead of the Evolution, and then put that in a travelframe? In the UK, both Vision units (inspo or evo) are the same price, and the Inspo scrubber is rated for an hour more than the Evo scrubber.

Nick uk. · 8th March 2006, 23:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Wan)

Welded on jubilee clips top and bottom, plus the velcro backed webbing from the original case to secure it further? I can't see if you've welded it to one or two of the vertical bars.

Or have I misinterpreted the photos?

Both vertical bars, with 2mm eletrodes!! (thanks to a freind of mine)
Be carefull not to make holes, or burn through the fine frame.

Nick uk. · 8th March 2006, 23:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Wan)

Why not just purchase an Inspiration with Vision electronics instead of the Evolution, and then put that in a travelframe? In the UK, both Vision units (inspo or evo) are the same price, and the Inspo scrubber is rated for an hour more than the Evo scrubber.

Exactly..

**Gill Envy** · 9th March 2006, 00:28

"Why not just purchase an Inspiration with Vision electronics instead of the Evolution, and then put that in a travelframe? In the UK, both Vision units (inspo or evo) are the same price, and the Inspo scrubber is rated for an hour more than the Evo scrubber."
well, my reasoning, and i may feel differently down the line, is that we dive mostly slack dependent current swept passes where the critters still thrive. We just don't plan on being able to go super deep or be able to stay down super long due to current. by the time we get out of the water on OC, it's not uncomon for the current to be cranking. We will likely be doing 150 max and staying close to no deco limits. Also, we are not tec divers, are not used to having a lot of heavy gear on our back and just like the smaller size unit. Also, the inspo was the least favorite in terms of how it felt on our backs... but that was in a swimming pool.
Also, i've been hearing that folks are commonly getting upwards of four hours on the evolution with the temp stick, though i'll be cautious till i hear that that is really reasonable.
I really wrestled with the size issue but am happy to know that down the line something like the travel frame will allow us to expand the evolution if we like.

diverrob · 9th March 2006, 04:20

I agree, I dive mostly in H2O that is 6-10C and I don't see my self staying in the H2O more than 1.5 hours if that. That is why I went for the Evo and if I move to a warmer climate or start to travel more then the option of the travel frame it great!

Rob

Mark Wan · 9th March 2006, 08:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gillenvy)

well, my reasoning, and i may feel differently down the line, is that we dive mostly slack dependent current swept passes where the critters still thrive. We just don't plan on being able to go super deep or be able to stay down super long due to current.

Lots of water around the UK, and like you, most dive sites are also slack dependent. However, an extended scrubber duration means that you can do maybe four 30min dives over a weekend to say 30m / 90ft, and feel comfortable that the scrubber can last for longer. Yes, I've also heard of people getting long runtimes out of the scrubber by using the tempstik. However I'm sticking by the rated scrubber life for now. Water temp in the UK can be quite cool at depth, which affects the efficiency of the sofnolime, so it's good to have the temp display showing the active areas of the scrubber.

When I ordered my Inspo Vision, I already had a Classic Inspo. These are the questions I asked to decide between Inspo Vision and Evo. Price is the same, so have to consider other factors.

Longer scrubber life on Inspo, so if I go away for a weekend, I can usually get away with a scrubber refill.
For shallow (<30m/90ft) dives, I'm happy to bailout onto the 3L (approx 24cuft) inboard using the auto-air. I wouldn't be happy to bailout onto the 2L (approx 16cuft) evo bottle.
I've heard that even though the Evo is smaller, you need the same amount of lead on your belt as the Inspo. (although I can't verify this from personal experience).
It's much easier to hire 3L bottles as they are frequently used as "pony" bottles, and the Inspo has been around for a long time so a lot of rebreather friendly dive resorts will have them. 2L cylinders may be harder to source.
If a dive centre doesn't have a haskell or booster pump, I'd be happy with a half filled 3L O2 cylinder.

One thing I didn't try was to compare the two units on my back, so I can't say if the Evo is more comfortable than the Inspo on my back or not.

I do intend on going onto a trimix course at some point in the future, but I'm slowly logging the hours at present. For me, trimix doesn't mean deep, it just means using a normoxic gases in dives from 0-40m/120ft max depth range. And the Inspiration, for me, seemed best suited for this long term goal, esp in UK waters. I know people do dive deep on an Evo with trimix, but I'm just a newbie

And ultimately, if you did get a travelframe, you won't be able to tell the difference between the two units until you open the cover and see the larger or smaller scrubber canister.

Just my $0.02

regards
mark

8th March 2006, 22:06	#2 (permalink)
Mark Wan New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hammersmith, London Posts: 59	Re: Latest mods.... Welded on jubilee clips top and bottom, plus the velcro backed webbing from the original case to secure it further? I can't see if you've welded it to one or two of the vertical bars. Or have I misinterpreted the photos? __________________ newbie inspo vision diver
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8th March 2006, 22:54	#3 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Divers Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,341	Re: Latest mods.... bare with me, i'm just zeroing in on this travel frame option. I am making a few assumptions about it's benefits, they are: 1. it's more compact, easier to travel with...lets you get rid of the big yellow box, that is mainly for asthetics. 2. it makes it possible to put either the 13 or 19 cf tanks on the unit...more versatile 3. will fit either the inspiration size scrubber or the evolution size scrubber 4. If 2 and 3 is correct, would it not allow someone to then be able to get an evolution, purchase the inspo scrubber, and sets of 13 and 19cf tanks and have the flexibility of nearly the meg but with vision electronics? (forgive me in advance for potentially offending the meg owners). am i missing something or being painfully obvious? If my assumptions are correct, it's only a matter of time before my wife and I end up tearing down our new evolutions and doing a make over... some time in the future after they arrive, that is. __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
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8th March 2006, 23:04	#4 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 575	Re: Latest mods.... You Are Both Right!! :d :d __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
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8th March 2006, 23:06	#5 (permalink)
Mark Wan New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hammersmith, London Posts: 59	Re: Latest mods.... I have a travel frame, but not yet gotten it wet, so I'll try and reply based on what I've read in other threads. The idea behind the travelframe is to have a lighter and smaller scrubber housing which you can travel with, also allowing you to use most any size rental tank at your destination. As i understand it, the travelframe is lighter but denser than the ABS shell, so you use less lead with the unit. The case can hold the Inspiration and the smaller Evolution scrubber canisters. Quote: (Originally Posted by Gillenvy) 4. If 2 and 3 is correct, would it not allow someone to then be able to get an evolution, purchase the inspo scrubber, and sets of 13 and 19cf tanks and have the flexibility of nearly the meg but with vision electronics? (forgive me in advance for potentially offending the meg owners). Why not just purchase an Inspiration with Vision electronics instead of the Evolution, and then put that in a travelframe? In the UK, both Vision units (inspo or evo) are the same price, and the Inspo scrubber is rated for an hour more than the Evo scrubber. __________________ newbie inspo vision diver
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8th March 2006, 23:06	#6 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 575	Re: Latest mods.... Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Wan) Welded on jubilee clips top and bottom, plus the velcro backed webbing from the original case to secure it further? I can't see if you've welded it to one or two of the vertical bars. Or have I misinterpreted the photos? Both vertical bars, with 2mm eletrodes!! (thanks to a freind of mine) Be carefull not to make holes, or burn through the fine frame. __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
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8th March 2006, 23:08	#7 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 575	Re: Latest mods.... Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Wan) Why not just purchase an Inspiration with Vision electronics instead of the Evolution, and then put that in a travelframe? In the UK, both Vision units (inspo or evo) are the same price, and the Inspo scrubber is rated for an hour more than the Evo scrubber. Exactly.. __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
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9th March 2006, 00:28	#8 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Divers Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,341	Re: Latest mods.... "Why not just purchase an Inspiration with Vision electronics instead of the Evolution, and then put that in a travelframe? In the UK, both Vision units (inspo or evo) are the same price, and the Inspo scrubber is rated for an hour more than the Evo scrubber." well, my reasoning, and i may feel differently down the line, is that we dive mostly slack dependent current swept passes where the critters still thrive. We just don't plan on being able to go super deep or be able to stay down super long due to current. by the time we get out of the water on OC, it's not uncomon for the current to be cranking. We will likely be doing 150 max and staying close to no deco limits. Also, we are not tec divers, are not used to having a lot of heavy gear on our back and just like the smaller size unit. Also, the inspo was the least favorite in terms of how it felt on our backs... but that was in a swimming pool. Also, i've been hearing that folks are commonly getting upwards of four hours on the evolution with the temp stick, though i'll be cautious till i hear that that is really reasonable. I really wrestled with the size issue but am happy to know that down the line something like the travel frame will allow us to expand the evolution if we like. __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°> Last edited by Gill Envy : 9th March 2006 at 00:31. Reason: forgot to add something
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9th March 2006, 04:20	#9 (permalink)
diverrob The Evolution of Diving Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Victoria BC Canada Posts: 347	Re: Latest mods.... I agree, I dive mostly in H2O that is 6-10C and I don't see my self staying in the H2O more than 1.5 hours if that. That is why I went for the Evo and if I move to a warmer climate or start to travel more then the option of the travel frame it great! Rob
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9th March 2006, 08:04	#10 (permalink)
Mark Wan New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hammersmith, London Posts: 59	Re: Latest mods.... Quote: (Originally Posted by Gillenvy) well, my reasoning, and i may feel differently down the line, is that we dive mostly slack dependent current swept passes where the critters still thrive. We just don't plan on being able to go super deep or be able to stay down super long due to current. Lots of water around the UK, and like you, most dive sites are also slack dependent. However, an extended scrubber duration means that you can do maybe four 30min dives over a weekend to say 30m / 90ft, and feel comfortable that the scrubber can last for longer. Yes, I've also heard of people getting long runtimes out of the scrubber by using the tempstik. However I'm sticking by the rated scrubber life for now. Water temp in the UK can be quite cool at depth, which affects the efficiency of the sofnolime, so it's good to have the temp display showing the active areas of the scrubber. When I ordered my Inspo Vision, I already had a Classic Inspo. These are the questions I asked to decide between Inspo Vision and Evo. Price is the same, so have to consider other factors. Longer scrubber life on Inspo, so if I go away for a weekend, I can usually get away with a scrubber refill. For shallow (<30m/90ft) dives, I'm happy to bailout onto the 3L (approx 24cuft) inboard using the auto-air. I wouldn't be happy to bailout onto the 2L (approx 16cuft) evo bottle. I've heard that even though the Evo is smaller, you need the same amount of lead on your belt as the Inspo. (although I can't verify this from personal experience). It's much easier to hire 3L bottles as they are frequently used as "pony" bottles, and the Inspo has been around for a long time so a lot of rebreather friendly dive resorts will have them. 2L cylinders may be harder to source. If a dive centre doesn't have a haskell or booster pump, I'd be happy with a half filled 3L O2 cylinder. One thing I didn't try was to compare the two units on my back, so I can't say if the Evo is more comfortable than the Inspo on my back or not. I do intend on going onto a trimix course at some point in the future, but I'm slowly logging the hours at present. For me, trimix doesn't mean deep, it just means using a normoxic gases in dives from 0-40m/120ft max depth range. And the Inspiration, for me, seemed best suited for this long term goal, esp in UK waters. I know people do dive deep on an Evo with trimix, but I'm just a newbie And ultimately, if you did get a travelframe, you won't be able to tell the difference between the two units until you open the cover and see the larger or smaller scrubber canister. Just my $0.02 regards mark __________________ newbie inspo vision diver
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