Evo, ve Classic Inspiration

AndyP · 9th April 2005, 22:33

Hi,

got to play with an Evo today, and I have to report, I like it. I have "issues" with a few tings, but I am not certain if they are real or imagined, i.e. the mounting of the external 3l tanks is not entirely convincing, and the usefullness of the scrubber monitor is worth discussion, also the HUD is a bit dim so I am a bit "iffy" about that.

But, I loved the way that if you kicked you immediatly moved forward. The handset was VERY easy to read. It is nice and light on your back.

On the whole, I am impressd. Also got a look at a Meg, very, very impressed by the build quality, but, only one handset, relies on the HUD for back up, needs a bit of thought before I am convince that it is a real alternative, didn't get to actually dive it so my judgement remains reserved until I do.

Andrew

Juz · 9th April 2005, 22:47

Who's Evo was it mate?

Juz

***schford*** · 10th April 2005, 11:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by AndyP)

On the whole, I am impressd. Also got a look at a Meg, very, very impressed by the build quality, but, only one handset, relies on the HUD for back up, needs a bit of thought before I am convince that it is a real alternative, didn't get to actually dive it so my judgement remains reserved until I do.
Andrew

You lost me - doesnt the Evo only have one handset! ?

And the Meg gives you 2 totally seperate computers, with 2 seperate batteries all @ 1 ATA.

Computer 1 - controls the handset which goes on the wrist does your deco and monitors PPo2 etx

Computer 2 - controls the HUD which just monitors PPo2 across all 3 sensors - most people fly the Meg on the HUD only...

Can't remember if I explained the HUD functionality - it's not like most others

It is a tri colour LED which cycles across all 3 cells, pauses then starts again...it is also v easy for your buddy to monitor and know exactly what your breathing..

Red - PPo2 below 1 - then number of flashes tell you how much below - 1 flash .9 2 flashes .8 etc, if it is solid Red then PPo2 below .2 or faulty cell

Amber - Solid amber is PPo2 of 1

Green - PPo2 above 1 - 1 flash 1.1 2 flashes 1.2, solid green 1.6 and above

It is very very easy to use and a totally independant backup system.

So on a dive with setpoint of 1.3 with cell 2 faulty you would see...

green green green, slight pause, red, slight pause, green green green, longer pause, starts again....

Next time I'll come down earlier so you can have a go - as it is soooooo swimable!

Stuart

under pressure · 10th April 2005, 12:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

Next time I'll come down earlier so you can have a go - as it is soooooo swimable!

Stuart

I had a little dive on Stu's Meg on Thursday, without adjusting the set for my little body frame as opposed to Stu's somewhat larger size

I found the Meg sat me just right in the water. It really is a lovely piece of kit to dive with. As for the lectrocuticals I must admit the HUD seems to be extremely logical, even for an old git like me.

Stu....water cut D rings for your uncle Nige

decoweenie · 10th April 2005, 12:48

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

Red - PPo2 below 1 - then number of flashes tell you how much below - 1 flash .9 2 flashes .8 etc, if it is solid Red then PPo2 below .2 or faulty cell

Amber - Solid amber is PPo2 of 1

Green - PPo2 above 1 - 1 flash 1.1 2 flashes 1.2, solid green 1.6 and above

You could refer to that as the "Smithers flashing code" in the future.

It was invented by the late Will Smithers (Z-Plan author) who died from a helicopter crash quite a few years back.

It was written for the Juergensen/Smithers MK-15 electronics then got migrated to the earlier Megs. Now, it is one of two HUD flashing options on the Hammerhead DIVA. The other option is green for at set-point, and red for off.

I didn't know Meg units are still running the same flashing code under Bruce Partridge's electronic, but it is very nice and quick to get used to u/w even though explaining to people on surface usually get a "blank" look like this

....

**trob09** · 10th April 2005, 13:22

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

...it is very nice and quick to get used to u/w even though explaining to people on surface usually get a "blank" look like this

....

My experience exactly...it takes much longer to explain how it works than it does to get it while you're in the water.

When my instructor was explaining it, my head was spinning. about 3 minutes after descending to the bottom of the pool, I had it.

Tim

Mark Chase · 10th April 2005, 14:21

Hi I was there too and had a go. It was Paul Marks unit.

I think if I understood correctly, that the unit has two separate computers that send info on the cells to one hand set. You can switch between computers mid dive if one is playing up. The unit also self calculates a dill flush based on the diluents input into the hand set which I thought was pretty cool. The scrubber had just over 3 hours on it in shallow water and was showing about 50% on the scale.

I have to say the unit swam beautifully. The trim weights and weight pouches seemed exactly right with 10Kg and despite having to fly the suit (which I don’t do) because I was frightened of using an auto air to control buoyancy, it felt very comfortable in the water. I felt like I was using a small twin set like twin 7s or10s rather than the enormous drag and bulk of the Classic.

The wing only comes in small so I wonder how it will cope with two 10ltr steel bailout tins, and the hand set suffers from being too clever so its going to take a while to master, but all in all I was very very impressed.

The HUD was a bit dim but it was only on brightness setting 6 so it could be turned up. That said I generally find any flash of red quickly grabs the attention but I was not failure enough with the unit to spike the 02 to see what would happen

The large lungs were fine from a breathing perspective and the large harness fit me, which is odd as the Medium on the classic is too big at maximum (small size) adjustment. I am 5' 10" 15 stone 42 chest. I found that the large lungs put the buttons about where I would expect the Medium lungs to put them on the classic. There are extra large lungs available but I think I would stick with the large.

The Evo is great but it suffers from the dedicated cylinders problem of the classic. Unlike the lovely Meg. That looked a stunning bit of kit. Unfortunately Stu couldn’t get his sorry ass out of bead so I ran out of play time to dive it

Dependent of the weight of the unit ready to travel the Meg could be the answer for my diving. I travel a lot and weight is critical. The Evo is brilliant but it’s going to take a while for the dive centres to get hold of those little cylinders.

ATB

Mark Chase

***schford*** · 10th April 2005, 14:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

The Evo is great but it suffers from the dedicated cylinders problem of the classic. Unlike the lovely Meg. That looked a stunning bit of kit. Unfortunately Stu couldn’t get his sorry ass out of bead so I ran out of play time to dive it

Dependent of the weight of the unit ready to travel the Meg could be the answer for my diving. I travel a lot and weight is critical. The Evo is brilliant but it’s going to take a while for the dive centres to get hold of those little cylinders.

ATB

Mark Chase

umm sorry Mark

I'll set an alarm next time! Can you get down there on a wednesday night - I can probably do one week wednesday if ya can...

Stuart

Mark Chase · 10th April 2005, 14:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

umm sorry Mark

I'll set an alarm next time! Can you get down there on a wednesday night - I can probably do one week wednesday if ya can...

Stuart

Thanks M8 I would love to but I fly out to dive the Z next day so kit will be all dry and packed up

I will give you a PM when I get back and we can sort out a rebreather swap day

ATB

Mark Chase

decoweenie · 10th April 2005, 17:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

The Evo is brilliant but it’s going to take a while for the dive centres to get hold of those little cylinders.

Why can't the Evo use the same bracket used on the Meg ?

Or use a DT box for example ?

9th April 2005, 22:33	#1 (permalink)
AndyP Mutter Grumble Groan Moan Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 93	Evo, ve Classic Inspiration Hi, got to play with an Evo today, and I have to report, I like it. I have "issues" with a few tings, but I am not certain if they are real or imagined, i.e. the mounting of the external 3l tanks is not entirely convincing, and the usefullness of the scrubber monitor is worth discussion, also the HUD is a bit dim so I am a bit "iffy" about that. But, I loved the way that if you kicked you immediatly moved forward. The handset was VERY easy to read. It is nice and light on your back. On the whole, I am impressd. Also got a look at a Meg, very, very impressed by the build quality, but, only one handset, relies on the HUD for back up, needs a bit of thought before I am convince that it is a real alternative, didn't get to actually dive it so my judgement remains reserved until I do. Andrew
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9th April 2005, 22:47	#2 (permalink)
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10th April 2005, 11:08	#3 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,674	Quote: (Originally Posted by AndyP) On the whole, I am impressd. Also got a look at a Meg, very, very impressed by the build quality, but, only one handset, relies on the HUD for back up, needs a bit of thought before I am convince that it is a real alternative, didn't get to actually dive it so my judgement remains reserved until I do. Andrew You lost me - doesnt the Evo only have one handset! ? And the Meg gives you 2 totally seperate computers, with 2 seperate batteries all @ 1 ATA. Computer 1 - controls the handset which goes on the wrist does your deco and monitors PPo2 etx Computer 2 - controls the HUD which just monitors PPo2 across all 3 sensors - most people fly the Meg on the HUD only... Can't remember if I explained the HUD functionality - it's not like most others It is a tri colour LED which cycles across all 3 cells, pauses then starts again...it is also v easy for your buddy to monitor and know exactly what your breathing.. Red - PPo2 below 1 - then number of flashes tell you how much below - 1 flash .9 2 flashes .8 etc, if it is solid Red then PPo2 below .2 or faulty cell Amber - Solid amber is PPo2 of 1 Green - PPo2 above 1 - 1 flash 1.1 2 flashes 1.2, solid green 1.6 and above It is very very easy to use and a totally independant backup system. So on a dive with setpoint of 1.3 with cell 2 faulty you would see... green green green, slight pause, red, slight pause, green green green, longer pause, starts again.... Next time I'll come down earlier so you can have a go - as it is soooooo swimable! Stuart
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10th April 2005, 12:39	#4 (permalink)
under pressure New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 22	Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) Next time I'll come down earlier so you can have a go - as it is soooooo swimable! Stuart I had a little dive on Stu's Meg on Thursday, without adjusting the set for my little body frame as opposed to Stu's somewhat larger size I found the Meg sat me just right in the water. It really is a lovely piece of kit to dive with. As for the lectrocuticals I must admit the HUD seems to be extremely logical, even for an old git like me. Stu....water cut D rings for your uncle Nige
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10th April 2005, 12:48	#5 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) Red - PPo2 below 1 - then number of flashes tell you how much below - 1 flash .9 2 flashes .8 etc, if it is solid Red then PPo2 below .2 or faulty cell Amber - Solid amber is PPo2 of 1 Green - PPo2 above 1 - 1 flash 1.1 2 flashes 1.2, solid green 1.6 and above You could refer to that as the "Smithers flashing code" in the future. It was invented by the late Will Smithers (Z-Plan author) who died from a helicopter crash quite a few years back. It was written for the Juergensen/Smithers MK-15 electronics then got migrated to the earlier Megs. Now, it is one of two HUD flashing options on the Hammerhead DIVA. The other option is green for at set-point, and red for off. I didn't know Meg units are still running the same flashing code under Bruce Partridge's electronic, but it is very nice and quick to get used to u/w even though explaining to people on surface usually get a "blank" look like this ....
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10th April 2005, 13:22	#6 (permalink)
trob09 . Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 699	Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) ...it is very nice and quick to get used to u/w even though explaining to people on surface usually get a "blank" look like this .... My experience exactly...it takes much longer to explain how it works than it does to get it while you're in the water. When my instructor was explaining it, my head was spinning. about 3 minutes after descending to the bottom of the pool, I had it. Tim
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10th April 2005, 14:21	#7 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,562	Hi I was there too and had a go. It was Paul Marks unit. I think if I understood correctly, that the unit has two separate computers that send info on the cells to one hand set. You can switch between computers mid dive if one is playing up. The unit also self calculates a dill flush based on the diluents input into the hand set which I thought was pretty cool. The scrubber had just over 3 hours on it in shallow water and was showing about 50% on the scale. I have to say the unit swam beautifully. The trim weights and weight pouches seemed exactly right with 10Kg and despite having to fly the suit (which I don’t do) because I was frightened of using an auto air to control buoyancy, it felt very comfortable in the water. I felt like I was using a small twin set like twin 7s or10s rather than the enormous drag and bulk of the Classic. The wing only comes in small so I wonder how it will cope with two 10ltr steel bailout tins, and the hand set suffers from being too clever so its going to take a while to master, but all in all I was very very impressed. The HUD was a bit dim but it was only on brightness setting 6 so it could be turned up. That said I generally find any flash of red quickly grabs the attention but I was not failure enough with the unit to spike the 02 to see what would happen The large lungs were fine from a breathing perspective and the large harness fit me, which is odd as the Medium on the classic is too big at maximum (small size) adjustment. I am 5' 10" 15 stone 42 chest. I found that the large lungs put the buttons about where I would expect the Medium lungs to put them on the classic. There are extra large lungs available but I think I would stick with the large. The Evo is great but it suffers from the dedicated cylinders problem of the classic. Unlike the lovely Meg. That looked a stunning bit of kit. Unfortunately Stu couldn’t get his sorry ass out of bead so I ran out of play time to dive it Dependent of the weight of the unit ready to travel the Meg could be the answer for my diving. I travel a lot and weight is critical. The Evo is brilliant but it’s going to take a while for the dive centres to get hold of those little cylinders. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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10th April 2005, 14:27	#8 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,674	Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) The Evo is great but it suffers from the dedicated cylinders problem of the classic. Unlike the lovely Meg. That looked a stunning bit of kit. Unfortunately Stu couldn’t get his sorry ass out of bead so I ran out of play time to dive it Dependent of the weight of the unit ready to travel the Meg could be the answer for my diving. I travel a lot and weight is critical. The Evo is brilliant but it’s going to take a while for the dive centres to get hold of those little cylinders. ATB Mark Chase umm sorry Mark I'll set an alarm next time! Can you get down there on a wednesday night - I can probably do one week wednesday if ya can... Stuart
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10th April 2005, 14:47	#9 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,562	Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) umm sorry Mark I'll set an alarm next time! Can you get down there on a wednesday night - I can probably do one week wednesday if ya can... Stuart Thanks M8 I would love to but I fly out to dive the Z next day so kit will be all dry and packed up I will give you a PM when I get back and we can sort out a rebreather swap day ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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10th April 2005, 17:30	#10 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) The Evo is brilliant but it’s going to take a while for the dive centres to get hold of those little cylinders. Why can't the Evo use the same bracket used on the Meg ? Or use a DT box for example ?
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