Classic Inspiration Price Crash - is it global?

***schford*** · 7th April 2005, 18:44

Here in the UK we have sign classic inspiration used prices going through the floor - a good second hand example can be picked up for £2500 or lower now.

Is it the same every where else in the world?

Stuart

Marvintpa · 7th April 2005, 19:20

If that's true what do you think it's a sign of?

In most industries I can think of it would mean either A) there is a newer, better model coming out soon and the goal is to reduce inventory while people still want it, or B) the company is going under (not even remotely suggesting that's what's happening here).

Anyone heard of something coming from APV that would replace the Inspiration? I'm guessing it's not the Evolution, but this is not my ballpark.

***schford*** · 7th April 2005, 19:25

It is A I think

People are either moving to the Evo with vision electronics or a new inspiration with vision electronics.

Stuart

ROB DAVIE · 7th April 2005, 19:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

People are either moving to the Evo with vision electronics or a new Inspiration with vision electronics.

Stuart

Stuart,

I believe that you are spot on here. I believe that APD sees the future as the Evo, and it will not be too long before the Classic is a thing of the past. (Just my crystal ball gazing here.)

I suspect that with the Evo being lighter, smaller, and having better elctronics, it won't be TOO bloody long before we get a factory announcement that the Evo is rated for Classic time limits, if not longer! (This is mere supposition on my part, but I believe it fits with what we are seeing.)

Cheers!

Rob

***schford*** · 7th April 2005, 19:40

Thats a good point Rob - I have heard it said that the official line from the factory is your scrubber is as good as your guage says - not the CE approved rating!

Stuart

ROB DAVIE · 7th April 2005, 19:48

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

Thats a good point Rob - I have heard it said that the official line from the factory is your scrubber is as good as your guage says - not the CE approved rating!

Stuart

Yeah, I've heard that the un-official back-channel word is exactly that. Yet, of course, the official front-channel word remains the same; i.e. if CE says it, it's Gospel.

This has, understandably, led to some carping and griping from the field, bedause it does create some confusion about what to believe.

Rob

Crazyduck · 7th April 2005, 19:58

Exchange Rate- at $1.8696 per Pound Sterling

2500.00 Pounds Sterling is $4,674.0004

For us folks stateside that’s not that great of a deal.

Used engenders the idea of no warranty and so the product SHOULD be half price.

However, the market seems to keep certain products artificially inflated if there is limited number of units or if it is the newest model.

Now talk $2500.00 US and that will open up and entirely new market for the Closed Circuit rebreather.

Or talk about the cost for US units in the UK, now that is intereting!

Andrew

***schford*** · 7th April 2005, 20:05

Damn so how much do they go for second hand with you Andrew?

spill the beans!

Mdemon · 7th April 2005, 20:41

Stu, I've been looking and most are in the region of £3k+ for a 3 or 4 year old model. Where are you finding £2500 units? 'Cos I have a home for one if you do!

If you look at the car market, it's when NEW models come down in price that the bottom drops out of the second hand market. This just isn't the case with the new inspos as they are still very expensive, although it is slightly true with the Meg due to the strong £...

One thing to bear in mind second hand... 3 x new cells, 2 x hydro test + O2 cleaning, servicing if required etc and you can add another £500/£600+...

BTW,

IF ANYONE HAS ONE TO SELL!!!! I know someone wanting a unit in good condition with ADV a year or two old. Please PM if you want to be put in touch...

ROB DAVIE · 7th April 2005, 21:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon)

Stu, I've been looking and most are in the region of £3k+ for a 3 or 4 year old model. Where are you finding £2500 units? 'Cos I have a home for one if you do!

If you look at the car market, it's when NEW models come down in price that the bottom drops out of the second hand market. This just isn't the case with the new inspos as they are still very expensive, although it is slightly true with the Meg due to the strong £...

One thing to bear in mind second hand... 3 x new cells, 2 x hydro test + O2 cleaning, servicing if required etc and you can add another £500/£600+...

BTW,

IF ANYONE HAS ONE TO SELL!!!! I know someone wanting a unit in good condition with ADV a year or two old. Please PM if you want to be put in touch...

Waves hand in air...wait...lemme guess who.....

Rob

7th April 2005, 18:44	#1 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,562	Classic Inspiration Price Crash - is it global? Here in the UK we have sign classic inspiration used prices going through the floor - a good second hand example can be picked up for £2500 or lower now. Is it the same every where else in the world? Stuart
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7th April 2005, 19:20	#2 (permalink)
Marvintpa Bad knees, matching brain Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 265	Sign of? If that's true what do you think it's a sign of? In most industries I can think of it would mean either A) there is a newer, better model coming out soon and the goal is to reduce inventory while people still want it, or B) the company is going under (not even remotely suggesting that's what's happening here). Anyone heard of something coming from APV that would replace the Inspiration? I'm guessing it's not the Evolution, but this is not my ballpark.
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7th April 2005, 19:25	#3 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,562	It is A I think People are either moving to the Evo with vision electronics or a new inspiration with vision electronics. Stuart
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7th April 2005, 19:34	#4 (permalink)
ROB DAVIE Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: HOUSTON, REPUBLIC OF TEJAS Posts: 1,120	Evolution of the Evolution.... Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) People are either moving to the Evo with vision electronics or a new Inspiration with vision electronics. Stuart Stuart, I believe that you are spot on here. I believe that APD sees the future as the Evo, and it will not be too long before the Classic is a thing of the past. (Just my crystal ball gazing here.) I suspect that with the Evo being lighter, smaller, and having better elctronics, it won't be TOO bloody long before we get a factory announcement that the Evo is rated for Classic time limits, if not longer! (This is mere supposition on my part, but I believe it fits with what we are seeing.) Cheers! Rob __________________ [SIZE=2]"CC Rebreathers will become a viable part of tech diving [U]WHEN PIGS FLY[/U]!!"--GI3[/SIZE]
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7th April 2005, 19:40	#5 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,562	Thats a good point Rob - I have heard it said that the official line from the factory is your scrubber is as good as your guage says - not the CE approved rating! Stuart
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7th April 2005, 19:48	#6 (permalink)
ROB DAVIE Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: HOUSTON, REPUBLIC OF TEJAS Posts: 1,120	Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) Thats a good point Rob - I have heard it said that the official line from the factory is your scrubber is as good as your guage says - not the CE approved rating! Stuart Yeah, I've heard that the un-official back-channel word is exactly that. Yet, of course, the official front-channel word remains the same; i.e. if CE says it, it's Gospel. This has, understandably, led to some carping and griping from the field, bedause it does create some confusion about what to believe. Rob __________________ [SIZE=2]"CC Rebreathers will become a viable part of tech diving [U]WHEN PIGS FLY[/U]!!"--GI3[/SIZE]
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7th April 2005, 19:58	#7 (permalink)
Crazyduck Underwater Mechanic Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TEXAS, Dallas/ Ft.Worth Posts: 711	Exchange Rate- at $1.8696 per Pound Sterling 2500.00 Pounds Sterling is $4,674.0004 For us folks stateside that’s not that great of a deal. Used engenders the idea of no warranty and so the product SHOULD be half price. However, the market seems to keep certain products artificially inflated if there is limited number of units or if it is the newest model. Now talk $2500.00 US and that will open up and entirely new market for the Closed Circuit rebreather. Or talk about the cost for US units in the UK, now that is intereting! Andrew
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7th April 2005, 20:05	#8 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,562	Damn so how much do they go for second hand with you Andrew? spill the beans!
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7th April 2005, 20:41	#9 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,927	Hmmmmm... Like the phantom House Price Crash??? Stu, I've been looking and most are in the region of £3k+ for a 3 or 4 year old model. Where are you finding £2500 units? 'Cos I have a home for one if you do! If you look at the car market, it's when NEW models come down in price that the bottom drops out of the second hand market. This just isn't the case with the new inspos as they are still very expensive, although it is slightly true with the Meg due to the strong £... One thing to bear in mind second hand... 3 x new cells, 2 x hydro test + O2 cleaning, servicing if required etc and you can add another £500/£600+... BTW, IF ANYONE HAS ONE TO SELL!!!! I know someone wanting a unit in good condition with ADV a year or two old. Please PM if you want to be put in touch... __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "small minds talk about people, Average Minds Talk About Events, GREAT MINDS TALK ABOUT IDEAS!" The WRONG Attitude will get you killed. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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7th April 2005, 21:36	#10 (permalink)
ROB DAVIE Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: HOUSTON, REPUBLIC OF TEJAS Posts: 1,120	Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon) Stu, I've been looking and most are in the region of £3k+ for a 3 or 4 year old model. Where are you finding £2500 units? 'Cos I have a home for one if you do! If you look at the car market, it's when NEW models come down in price that the bottom drops out of the second hand market. This just isn't the case with the new inspos as they are still very expensive, although it is slightly true with the Meg due to the strong £... One thing to bear in mind second hand... 3 x new cells, 2 x hydro test + O2 cleaning, servicing if required etc and you can add another £500/£600+... BTW, IF ANYONE HAS ONE TO SELL!!!! I know someone wanting a unit in good condition with ADV a year or two old. Please PM if you want to be put in touch... Waves hand in air...wait...lemme guess who..... Rob __________________ [SIZE=2]"CC Rebreathers will become a viable part of tech diving [U]WHEN PIGS FLY[/U]!!"--GI3[/SIZE]
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