Classic Inspiration Price Crash - is it global?

Crazyduck · 7th April 2005, 23:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

Damn so how much do they go for second hand with you Andrew?

spill the beans!

At one time I knew of dive shop that wanted and estimated 3 to 5 Inspirations;
No longer. It is truly amazing what is said in this world sometimes. I have never seen someone so pissed after talking to a salesman.

Besides I know of a Stash of CIS-Lunar units

, now if I could just go dive them that would be Awesome!

Currently, the dive shop I mentioned earlier is talking about Meg's. We'll see.

I know of another group locally that talked about getting into Prism units but that turned into vaporwhere. I know of one person has a unit on order.

Amazing how things change but stay the same.

Stuart- I was not trying to be rude or upeset you mate.

I feel that alot of people have been fed Milarchy about units keeping their value and being able to sell you unit for almost full price. Those days are passing buy for older units.

Not to mention used Kiss Classics are selling for 5K and moving. Sport Kiss units are going for $3500.00 new. Meg's seem to be really hot right now. I bet the used Inspriations could be moved easily at the $2500-to 3K (US) stand point. Most people want 5k for any used reptuable Closed Circuit unit. We'll see.

But if we could move some units into different price ranges then we could grow the community and in the end thats what it is all about.

Best Regards, Andrew

FathomsDown · 8th April 2005, 10:32

Quote: (Originally Posted by ROB DAVIE)

I believe that you are spot on here. I believe that APD sees the future as the Evo, and it will not be too long before the Classic is a thing of the past. (Just my crystal ball gazing here.)

I suspect that with the Evo being lighter, smaller, and having better elctronics, it won't be TOO bloody long before we get a factory announcement that the Evo is rated for Classic time limits, if not longer! (This is mere supposition on my part, but I believe it fits with what we are seeing.)

I sort of agree with you but I doubt that the Evo will completely replace the Inspo as I don't believe that this is what AP want to do. If you look at the Inspo 2 (the Inspo with the vision electronics) many of the components which have changed from the Classic are common with the Evo making it more likely that AP plan to be a two unit shop.

As for the CE rating, when I spoke to MP at LIDS he stated that the official scrubber time is the CE rated time. However, he also said that the temp stick may allow people to push this further if they wanted to take that risk (nudge, nudge, wink, wink

).

As for the Classic, well I believe its days are numbered too. I'm sure AP will continue to produce spares and perhaps a small number of complete Classic units for a short time but I can't see AP maintaining the tooling required to produce them for much longer.

***schford*** · 8th April 2005, 10:44

It will be really interesting to see - as I have heard unofficially and it might only be rumour but from 4 different sources (1 well connected) that AP intend moving oving to Evo's only in the futurs...

Stuart

FathomsDown · 8th April 2005, 10:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

It will be really interesting to see - as I have heard unofficially and it might only be rumour but from 4 different sources (1 well connected) that AP intend moving oving to Evo's only in the futurs...

I suppose thats possible but I can't see what the saving for them will be. The Evo and Inspo 2 are basically the same unit appart from the harness, case and canister so why loose sales from divers who want a longer duration rebreather? It can't be a cost saving issue so why else would they do it?

***Beanie*** · 8th April 2005, 11:04

at one point they were talking about 4hr scrubbers for the inspo

Mark Chase · 8th April 2005, 11:41

Strangley I know 6 of divers getting the new Vision unit and only one getting the Evo.. I dont know if this statistic is meeningfull but thats whats hapening here. The chap who got the Evo is keeping his clasic and getting the Vision scrubber and housing so he can have an evo and a Vision rig using one electronics head.

I will be diving the Evo tomorow so hopfulley I will make up my mind on the unit then.

ATB

Mark Chase

FathomsDown · 8th April 2005, 11:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

Strangley I know 6 of divers getting the new Vision unit and only one getting the Evo.. I dont know if this statistic is meeningfull but thats whats hapening here.

Thats similar to what I have seen as well which makes the rumours that AP are canning the Inspo seem all the stranger.

Snafu · 8th April 2005, 17:40

Hi guys,

Do you have the link for me to see the Vision stuff for Inspiration?

I have The 2002 backlite without ADV unit and thinking of upgreding my unit.

Not decided what to upgred yet, any recommendation?

Thanks.

**trob09** · 8th April 2005, 17:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

It is A I think

People are either moving to the Evo with vision electronics or a new inspiration with vision electronics.

Stuart

Or C - people are moving to a different manufacturer.

For a long time, the Inspiration was the only 'breather that had a reasonable delivery timeframe and support program. More than 1 person has given up on delivery of a smaller manufacturer's rebreather and bought an inspiration (new or used...).

Now that others are stepping up to the plate and you can get a new sport KISS for less than a used inspiration, market forces are sure to drive that used price down.

tim

h2ophotopro · 11th April 2005, 00:17

Well Stuart I can tell you that in Southern Cal everyone is upgrading their Inspirations with the new electronics and the Scrubber monitor.

Very few people I know (but I am one of them) plans on replacing their Insp with an Evo. MOst people seemed to be turned off with the smaller scrubber and smaller bottles.

However, reports from Evo divers are that when used with the scrubber monitor, scrubber is lasting in the 4-5 hour range. If used w/o the monitor, the stated scrubber time is only 2 hours.

I think size is a big factor, especially for traveling. It only took me 30 seconds of looking at the Evo to realize I needed one.

7th April 2005, 23:54	#11 (permalink)
Crazyduck Underwater Mechanic Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TEXAS, Dallas/ Ft.Worth Posts: 714	Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) Damn so how much do they go for second hand with you Andrew? spill the beans! At one time I knew of dive shop that wanted and estimated 3 to 5 Inspirations; No longer. It is truly amazing what is said in this world sometimes. I have never seen someone so pissed after talking to a salesman. Besides I know of a Stash of CIS-Lunar units , now if I could just go dive them that would be Awesome! Currently, the dive shop I mentioned earlier is talking about Meg's. We'll see. I know of another group locally that talked about getting into Prism units but that turned into vaporwhere. I know of one person has a unit on order. Amazing how things change but stay the same. Stuart- I was not trying to be rude or upeset you mate. I feel that alot of people have been fed Milarchy about units keeping their value and being able to sell you unit for almost full price. Those days are passing buy for older units. Not to mention used Kiss Classics are selling for 5K and moving. Sport Kiss units are going for $3500.00 new. Meg's seem to be really hot right now. I bet the used Inspriations could be moved easily at the $2500-to 3K (US) stand point. Most people want 5k for any used reptuable Closed Circuit unit. We'll see. But if we could move some units into different price ranges then we could grow the community and in the end thats what it is all about. Best Regards, Andrew
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8th April 2005, 10:32	#12 (permalink)
FathomsDown New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: London Posts: 76	Quote: (Originally Posted by ROB DAVIE) I believe that you are spot on here. I believe that APD sees the future as the Evo, and it will not be too long before the Classic is a thing of the past. (Just my crystal ball gazing here.) I suspect that with the Evo being lighter, smaller, and having better elctronics, it won't be TOO bloody long before we get a factory announcement that the Evo is rated for Classic time limits, if not longer! (This is mere supposition on my part, but I believe it fits with what we are seeing.) I sort of agree with you but I doubt that the Evo will completely replace the Inspo as I don't believe that this is what AP want to do. If you look at the Inspo 2 (the Inspo with the vision electronics) many of the components which have changed from the Classic are common with the Evo making it more likely that AP plan to be a two unit shop. As for the CE rating, when I spoke to MP at LIDS he stated that the official scrubber time is the CE rated time. However, he also said that the temp stick may allow people to push this further if they wanted to take that risk (nudge, nudge, wink, wink ). As for the Classic, well I believe its days are numbered too. I'm sure AP will continue to produce spares and perhaps a small number of complete Classic units for a short time but I can't see AP maintaining the tooling required to produce them for much longer. __________________ Dive deep, stay long, deco for friggin' ages.
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8th April 2005, 10:44	#13 (permalink)
*schford* RBW Founder Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	It will be really interesting to see - as I have heard unofficially and it might only be rumour but from 4 different sources (1 well connected) that AP intend moving oving to Evo's only in the futurs... Stuart
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8th April 2005, 10:51	#14 (permalink)
FathomsDown New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: London Posts: 76	Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) It will be really interesting to see - as I have heard unofficially and it might only be rumour but from 4 different sources (1 well connected) that AP intend moving oving to Evo's only in the futurs... I suppose thats possible but I can't see what the saving for them will be. The Evo and Inspo 2 are basically the same unit appart from the harness, case and canister so why loose sales from divers who want a longer duration rebreather? It can't be a cost saving issue so why else would they do it? __________________ Dive deep, stay long, deco for friggin' ages.
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8th April 2005, 11:04	#15 (permalink)
*Beanie* Gallery Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,292	at one point they were talking about 4hr scrubbers for the inspo __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk
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8th April 2005, 11:41	#16 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,821	Strangley I know 6 of divers getting the new Vision unit and only one getting the Evo.. I dont know if this statistic is meeningfull but thats whats hapening here. The chap who got the Evo is keeping his clasic and getting the Vision scrubber and housing so he can have an evo and a Vision rig using one electronics head. I will be diving the Evo tomorow so hopfulley I will make up my mind on the unit then. ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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8th April 2005, 11:54	#17 (permalink)
FathomsDown New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: London Posts: 76	Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) Strangley I know 6 of divers getting the new Vision unit and only one getting the Evo.. I dont know if this statistic is meeningfull but thats whats hapening here. Thats similar to what I have seen as well which makes the rumours that AP are canning the Inspo seem all the stranger. __________________ Dive deep, stay long, deco for friggin' ages.
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8th April 2005, 17:40	#18 (permalink)
Snafu New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Johor Bahru, Malaysia Posts: 13	Vision Electronic Hi guys, Do you have the link for me to see the Vision stuff for Inspiration? I have The 2002 backlite without ADV unit and thinking of upgreding my unit. Not decided what to upgred yet, any recommendation? Thanks.
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8th April 2005, 17:53	#19 (permalink)
trob09 . Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 700	Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) It is A I think People are either moving to the Evo with vision electronics or a new inspiration with vision electronics. Stuart Or C - people are moving to a different manufacturer. For a long time, the Inspiration was the only 'breather that had a reasonable delivery timeframe and support program. More than 1 person has given up on delivery of a smaller manufacturer's rebreather and bought an inspiration (new or used...). Now that others are stepping up to the plate and you can get a new sport KISS for less than a used inspiration, market forces are sure to drive that used price down. tim
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11th April 2005, 00:17	#20 (permalink)
h2ophotopro Photo Pro Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Woodland Hills, CA Posts: 161	Well Stuart I can tell you that in Southern Cal everyone is upgrading their Inspirations with the new electronics and the Scrubber monitor. Very few people I know (but I am one of them) plans on replacing their Insp with an Evo. MOst people seemed to be turned off with the smaller scrubber and smaller bottles. However, reports from Evo divers are that when used with the scrubber monitor, scrubber is lasting in the 4-5 hour range. If used w/o the monitor, the stated scrubber time is only 2 hours. I think size is a big factor, especially for traveling. It only took me 30 seconds of looking at the Evo to realize I needed one. __________________ Mike Luzansky H2O Photo Pros Underwater Photo & Video Visit our New Showroom 2429 W. Coast Hwy, #101 Newport Beach, CA 92663
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