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Old 29th January 2006, 10:16   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Which one???

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Bigger can?
didn't know there was a bigger can upgrade!
Simple logic, it is called the Vision Inspiration.

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AP rates the unit for 2 hours i wouldn't trust the temp stick to regulate the efficiency of the canister much beyond this.
This was already on the sorb thread, so I won't start it up again. Since you are a new Rebreather diver, it is actually better that you follow the rating anyway...
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Old 29th January 2006, 16:57   #12 (permalink)
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Re: Which one???

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This was already on the sorb thread, so I won't start it up again.

Sorry, i missed that one!



Since you are a new Rebreather diver, it is actually better that you follow the rating anyway...
Thats what i thought!
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Old 30th January 2006, 04:22   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Which one???

I have the Evolution and have been very happy with it. I have done a whole range of diving to 80m (260ft) at present and have found it meets my requirements very well.

Everything on the front is the same between the Evolution and the Inspiration. It is just the case, cylinders and scrubber that differs.

In comparison to the Inspiration I have found it to be easier to transport and travel with, more compact and better in the water, as well as being much more streamlined. Weight wise it is also lighter than the Inspiration even fully loaded with weights.

The Inspiration , being taller and wider than the Evolution does not suit smaller divers as well. I am 5'10" and find the Evolution is more comfortable.

On the down side the Evolution does have a smaller scrubber and smaller cylinders which does not affect the unit on any one dive but can mean on multiple dives the gas and scrubber does not last as long. It is only when you are trying to do multiple dives without doing fills in between dives that this may become an issue.

If you don't have a handy shop with a booster getting a full O2 or dil fill is a consideration. A 3l at lower pressure will always have a greater volume than a 2l at the same pressure. For diving at home I invested in a booster to ensure I always have 230 bar fills to start the day with.

If you are in the habit of diving and then throwing your scrubber after a couple of dives - you would throw away a little less with the Evolution. Also, the 4.5kg bottles of sorb do two Evolution fills (with a little left over) as opposed to one and a bit fills for the Inspiration scrubber.

In the diving I do I have done three dives to 30m (100ft) of about 60 mins each on the one fill of scrubber, dil and O2 so you can get multiple recreational day dives out on a boat without the need to top up between dives.

I have also done two 75m (250ft) dives on a single scrubber fill (each dive was 30min bottom time and total run time of 125 minutes). I topped up the dil and O2 between dives since each dive used about 80-100 bar of gas for the loop, wing and dry suit. If you use offboard gas you can cut down on the dil usage.

The temp stik is very good for monitoring the scrubber (despite criticism from some people who have never used it). On a trip to the Java Sea (60-70m) I had the same number of scrubber fills as Inspiration (Classic) users who where changing at about the same time because they couldn't monitor the scrubber. I was keener though to not dive without a good O2 fill to ensure I always had a big safety margin whereas the Inspiration users always had 50% more to start with. On this trip we used off board dill to cut down on refilling dil cylinders once a day.

I doubt you would be disappointed with either the Evolution or the Inspiration. For me I am I am very happy I got the Evo and it has surprised a number of old Inspiration users with how well the Evo performs. Unless you were going to be doing lots of 100m plus dives I think the Evo suits most divers requirements very well. The integrated deco computer, scrubber monitor and HUD make it a real simple unit to dive. I love the whole Vision electronics package and would highly recommend it. Taking it fully optioned is the only way to go.
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Old 30th January 2006, 04:40   #14 (permalink)
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Re: Which one???

Same as Rod, I am happy with the Evolution.

However, I have a little more flexible rig:
  • Use either Weenie-Frame or Travel-Frame with 3L tanks
  • Use either the Evolution or Vision-Inspiration bottom scrubbers with the same Vision lid
So I could travel as light as possible, or load it up for the long duration.
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Old 30th January 2006, 06:18   #15 (permalink)
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Re: Which one???

Hey thanks for all of the great info. I think it will be the Evolution but I have not made my mind on the temp stick Does anyone know if you can upgrade to it after if I decide to?
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Re: Which one???

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Does anyone know if you can upgrade to it after if I decide to?
Yes, you could upgrade when ready.

However, IMHO, for the relatively small cost of it, I am sure you will love it. I have not heard from anyone who has one and not like it.

Independent of how you believe it should be used, it is still an excellent safety monitoring device.
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Yes, you could upgrade when ready.

However, IMHO, for the relatively small cost of it, I am sure you will love it. I have not heard from anyone who has one and not like it.

Independent of how you believe it should be used, it is still an excellent safety monitoring device.
Absolutely agree with Phi here. I originally had ordered mine without the temp stik - didn't see the point in paying for something when you only change the sorb every two hours anyway. After spending a few hours with Martin Parker and Nicky Finn I upped my order and have never regretted it. It is a very small price to pay for something so "Evolutionary". As Phi says, depending on how you use it you can use it to get more out of the scrubber under the right conditions. I do...
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Old 30th January 2006, 11:00   #18 (permalink)
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Re: Which one???

I would choose the inspiration over the evolution because
bigger cylinders mean a more flexible rig and for very shallow diving there is no need for extra bailout, I can get to the surface easily on a 3l from say 25m, I might not with whats left in a 2l. For me the inspo is much easier to kit up in as it sits on the bench behind me, the evo doesnt. The inspo scrubber is more suited to my type of diving, I would not dive without the tempstik, I hear lots of criticism about this tool but as someone else said its usually from people who have never used one. But either will fit happily in our travel frame which makes it swim much better.

Oh and of course I get a royalty for inspiration sales but not for the evo

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Re: Which one???

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Hey thanks for all of the great info. I think it will be the Evolution but I have not made my mind on the temp stick Does anyone know if you can upgrade to it after if I decide to?
I'd strongly recommend you get it if you can afford it (and even if you can't!). Believe me, being able to see what's actually going on in the scrubber as the dive progresses is a hell of a lot better than not. I wouldn't want to be without it.

To answer your original question, 01RMB covered all the main points, all which I would agree with. After 25 hours in the water on it, I think the Evo is a ball-tearingly good bit of gear.

The only negative of the Evo is the flip side of its small size; because it's so low, it's a real bastard to put on (think limbo dancer). But I've solved the problem by putting a small plastic tub underneath it. That gets it exactly the right height for me and makes getting at and adjusting straps much easier. A simple strop on the tub makes sure it doesn't get lost as it shoots over the side when you stand up.

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Hey thanks for all of the great info. I think it will be the Evolution but I have not made my mind on the temp stick Does anyone know if you can upgrade to it after if I decide to?
Buy either rig with the temp stik, even if you decide not to use it the initial outlay is small. If you decide to buy without and then do an ugarde it will cost you approx €500 as you need to change the whole scrubber inner section.

As to whether you go for the Evo. or Vision Inspiration I would say buy the Inspirtaion, the factory sells one more unit, Dave gets his share and Phi gets to sell you a Weeniebox

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