Drysuit Frame for Inspiration / Evolution unit

decoweenie · 30th December 2005, 14:27

To follow up on the suggestion for the Drysuit Frame for the Inspiration / Evolution unit, this thread is for discussing about the desired features for such frame.

To start with, give me some features you would like to have if we could build such a frame:

Similar shape and size as the Travel Frame, but able to take bigger tanks ?
Dry weight ?
How many tanks ?
Tanks sizes ?
Perforated or plain lid ?
Lift handle ?
Etc

Keep in mind that the more features = more work = more material = more $

**woody** · 30th December 2005, 16:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

To follow up on the suggestion for the Drysuit Frame for the Inspiration / Evolution unit, this thread is for discussing about the desired features for such frame.

To start with, give me some features you would like to have if we could build such a frame:

Similar shape and size as the Travel Frame, but able to take bigger tanks ?
Dry weight ?
How many tanks ?
Tanks sizes
Perforated or plain lid ?
Lift handle ?

Keep in mind that the more features = more work = more material = more $

Hi to answer the above questions in order:

1: Yes similar to the travel frame. 5/7L?
2: Not too silly with this, if good quality and strength is the order then weight and cost will follow.
3: 2 side mounted with an underslung for suit/wing.
4: Perforated would look better.
5: A lift handle would be good.

6:

when can i have one?

R

Mike

Tom F. · 30th December 2005, 17:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Similar shape and size as the Travel Frame, but able to take bigger tanks - yes.
How many tanks ? 2 or 4
Tanks sizes ? 2*7, 4*3 or 2*7+2*3
Perforated lid ?
No Lift handle.
Cheaper than the travel frame

Tom F.

decoweenie · 30th December 2005, 18:39

So far it seems that what you guys want is in-line with what is being planned at the moment: a biffier Travel Frame.

We need to examine the feasibility of mounting 2*7 (steel ?) and 2*3 in the existing arrangement. At first glance, I don't think we could strap both of these tanks sizes easily without increasing the depth of the frame.

Perforated lid will cost more since it is labor intensive. And we need a minimum amount to make it economical.

Stronger material will also cost more (bigger SS rods and thicker SS sheet, etc).

Heavier frame will cost more to ship.

Extra handle will cost to build.

So, I highly doubt if we could offer it for less than the Travel-Frame...

Anyway, we will wait and see if there will be more interests... High volume will reduce the manufacturing price, which in turn reduce the selling price.

Mark Chase · 30th December 2005, 18:53

Is it me or hasent the DT box etc got this covered?

I never got one because it was just too heavy.

My dry suit bottle fits niceley under my travel frame which I think is fantastic.

ATB

Mark Chase

decoweenie · 30th December 2005, 19:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

Is it me or hasent the DT box etc got this covered?

Yes and no.

The original DT box (made for Dave T) is a lot different than the ones sold later. The original is a lot smaller and lighter.

I have one of the latter one, and I can't use it at all since the weight distribution is all wrong. I had to modify the mounting holes before I could even stay in horizontal trim without fighting.

Also, the DT box is top load. The Travel-Frame is back-load like the original Insp case. Your preference.

There are simply too many options already available for the heavier frame portion: DT box, JJ box, etc. However, I am doing this before there are people asking for a biffier Travel-Frame. If they want a DT box, they would have bought one already.

PS: BTW, I have a brand new DT box for sale with modified mounting system that you could move the bolts to any position...

Mark Chase · 30th December 2005, 19:18

Fair points, it just sounded like a very small neich market filler

ATB

Mark Chase

dave t · 30th December 2005, 19:46

I guess it depends on what you want, for me personally the travel frame will fulfill my needs even when I am drysuit diving but I tend to be very minimilistic with my equipment. for those that like to dive deep and carry their bailout on their back will need something more robust than the travelframe if it is to last.
The DTbox was my way of solving a problem with kit configuration at that time and it continued to do so right up until I got my travelframe. whether I will ever use my DTbox again remains to be seen, I do a lot of travelling with my breather and the DTbox was costing me a fortune in excess baggage...........anyway please think very carefully about what you want and why you want it, and if there is enough interest we will provide!!!

Dave

Nicholas von Rosen · 31st December 2005, 00:25

I would like:

Capability of 2*7+2*3/4 L. bottles (steel)
Hoses inside
As low profile as possible
No handle, but the possibility to mount the handle from custom divers.
No peforated lid/cover, keep the cost to minimum
Shape as travelframe, - but with deeper profile (2 bottles on each side)
Have to think for other features...

Nick

decoweenie · 31st December 2005, 13:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by Nicholas von Rosen)

...the possibility to mount the handle from custom divers...

Do you have the link showing this handle ? Thanks.

View Poll Results: For Insp/Evo divers only --- Are you interested in a Drysuit Frame ?
Yes please	43	64.18%
No thanks	8	11.94%
Huhm... haven't thought about it yet...	16	23.88%
Voters: 67. You may not vote on this poll

30th December 2005, 14:27	#1 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Drysuit Frame for Inspiration / Evolution unit To follow up on the suggestion for the Drysuit Frame for the Inspiration / Evolution unit, this thread is for discussing about the desired features for such frame. To start with, give me some features you would like to have if we could build such a frame: Similar shape and size as the Travel Frame, but able to take bigger tanks ? Dry weight ? How many tanks ? Tanks sizes ? Perforated or plain lid ? Lift handle ? Etc Keep in mind that the more features = more work = more material = more $ __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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30th December 2005, 16:46	#2 (permalink)
woody Not a euphemism! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wiltshire UK Posts: 208	Re: Drysuit Frame for Inspiration / Evolution unit Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) To follow up on the suggestion for the Drysuit Frame for the Inspiration / Evolution unit, this thread is for discussing about the desired features for such frame. To start with, give me some features you would like to have if we could build such a frame: Similar shape and size as the Travel Frame, but able to take bigger tanks ? Dry weight ? How many tanks ? Tanks sizes Perforated or plain lid ? Lift handle ? Keep in mind that the more features = more work = more material = more $ Hi to answer the above questions in order: 1: Yes similar to the travel frame. 5/7L? 2: Not too silly with this, if good quality and strength is the order then weight and cost will follow. 3: 2 side mounted with an underslung for suit/wing. 4: Perforated would look better. 5: A lift handle would be good. 6: when can i have one? R Mike
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30th December 2005, 17:06	#3 (permalink)
Tom F. New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Herlev, Denmark Posts: 41	Re: Drysuit Frame for Inspiration / Evolution unit Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Similar shape and size as the Travel Frame, but able to take bigger tanks - yes. How many tanks ? 2 or 4 Tanks sizes ? 27, 43 or 27+23 Perforated lid ? No Lift handle. Cheaper than the travel frame Tom F.
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30th December 2005, 18:39	#4 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Drysuit Frame for Inspiration / Evolution unit So far it seems that what you guys want is in-line with what is being planned at the moment: a biffier Travel Frame. We need to examine the feasibility of mounting 27 (steel ?) and 23 in the existing arrangement. At first glance, I don't think we could strap both of these tanks sizes easily without increasing the depth of the frame. Perforated lid will cost more since it is labor intensive. And we need a minimum amount to make it economical. Stronger material will also cost more (bigger SS rods and thicker SS sheet, etc). Heavier frame will cost more to ship. Extra handle will cost to build. So, I highly doubt if we could offer it for less than the Travel-Frame... Anyway, we will wait and see if there will be more interests... High volume will reduce the manufacturing price, which in turn reduce the selling price. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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30th December 2005, 18:53	#5 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,821	Re: Drysuit Frame for Inspiration / Evolution unit Is it me or hasent the DT box etc got this covered? I never got one because it was just too heavy. My dry suit bottle fits niceley under my travel frame which I think is fantastic. ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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30th December 2005, 19:01	#6 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Drysuit Frame for Inspiration / Evolution unit Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) Is it me or hasent the DT box etc got this covered? Yes and no. The original DT box (made for Dave T) is a lot different than the ones sold later. The original is a lot smaller and lighter. I have one of the latter one, and I can't use it at all since the weight distribution is all wrong. I had to modify the mounting holes before I could even stay in horizontal trim without fighting. Also, the DT box is top load. The Travel-Frame is back-load like the original Insp case. Your preference. There are simply too many options already available for the heavier frame portion: DT box, JJ box, etc. However, I am doing this before there are people asking for a biffier Travel-Frame. If they want a DT box, they would have bought one already. PS: BTW, I have a brand new DT box for sale with modified mounting system that you could move the bolts to any position... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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30th December 2005, 19:18	#7 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,821	Re: Drysuit Frame for Inspiration / Evolution unit Fair points, it just sounded like a very small neich market filler ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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30th December 2005, 19:46	#8 (permalink)
dave t RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 659	Re: Drysuit Frame for Inspiration / Evolution unit I guess it depends on what you want, for me personally the travel frame will fulfill my needs even when I am drysuit diving but I tend to be very minimilistic with my equipment. for those that like to dive deep and carry their bailout on their back will need something more robust than the travelframe if it is to last. The DTbox was my way of solving a problem with kit configuration at that time and it continued to do so right up until I got my travelframe. whether I will ever use my DTbox again remains to be seen, I do a lot of travelling with my breather and the DTbox was costing me a fortune in excess baggage...........anyway please think very carefully about what you want and why you want it, and if there is enough interest we will provide!!! Dave
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31st December 2005, 00:25	#9 (permalink)
Nicholas von Rosen Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Helsingoer, Denmark Posts: 151	Re: Drysuit Frame for Inspiration / Evolution unit I would like: Capability of 27+23/4 L. bottles (steel) Hoses inside As low profile as possible No handle, but the possibility to mount the handle from custom divers. No peforated lid/cover, keep the cost to minimum Shape as travelframe, - but with deeper profile (2 bottles on each side) Have to think for other features... Nick __________________ NICK
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31st December 2005, 13:26	#10 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Drysuit Frame for Inspiration / Evolution unit Quote: (Originally Posted by Nicholas von Rosen) ...the possibility to mount the handle from custom divers... Do you have the link showing this handle ? Thanks. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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