Vision - It Just Gets Better!

***Beanie*** · 4th January 2006, 14:20

Well its just been picked up by TNT and is on the way to Cornwall

AP arranged for it to be picked up so thats a bonus

Hopefully it will be back the middle of next week

UKSteve · 4th January 2006, 14:52

Two tips for getting the head off...well it works on mine...

Try to do it while it is still warm or otherwise have it in a warm room for a hour or so. I have also run a fan heater across the scrubber (from a couple of feet away!!) for about 5-10 minutes first
Get some old neoprene or fold up some leather gloves and put it under the two flanges - it lets you press / pull a bit harder with your fingers against the latice-work without making them bleed!

Have to say I've not noticed it getting any easier with use!!

Steve

***Beanie*** · 4th January 2006, 15:07

Quote: (Originally Posted by UKSteve)

Two tips for getting the head off...well it works on mine...

Try to do it while it is still warm or otherwise have it in a warm room for a hour or so. I have also run a fan heater across the scrubber (from a couple of feet away!!) for about 5-10 minutes first
Get some old neoprene or fold up some leather gloves and put it under the two flanges - it lets you press / pull a bit harder with your fingers against the latice-work without making them bleed!

Have to say I've not noticed it getting any easier with use!!

Steve

Thanks hopefull it will come back easier to use, given that without a significant amount of lube it won't even go together I think, that the two parts are not matched. I have wondered about filling in the holes with putty

***Louby Lou*** · 4th January 2006, 18:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by UKSteve)

Two tips for getting the head off...well it works on mine...

Try to do it while it is still warm or otherwise have it in a warm room for a hour or so. I have also run a fan heater across the scrubber (from a couple of feet away!!) for about 5-10 minutes first

Hi Steve

Thanks for the tips

Have tried the heating method but the blinking thing still stays firmly in there

Quote: (Originally Posted by UKSteve)

Get some old neoprene or fold up some leather gloves and put it under the two flanges - it lets you press / pull a bit harder with your fingers against the latice-work without making them bleed!

Now there's an idea, have to say I tried it with my gloves on and it did cushion it a little. You'd think really that with the head being injection moulded (correct me if I'm wrong) that for the flanges to be solid, so to speak, it wouldn't of been too hard to do. Whereas, as they are it does make it extremely painful if you have to work at getting the head off

Quote: (Originally Posted by UKSteve)

Have to say I've not noticed it getting any easier with use!!

Neither have I, infact the whole thread was born out of the d**m thing getting worse

Ho hum the assembly is winging its way to APD courtesy of their courier service. Many thanks to them for sorting that side. I have been told that the turn around is most likely to be mid-week giving me at least 2 weekends of solid diving to do before the Red Sea and to test out the new camera and housing

it is back in time and AP can prove my lack of trust and faith, that has developed due to recent dealings, wrong!

There's still the matter of the software issue but that's another story and thread

Odin · 4th January 2006, 18:58

I'm pleased that at last they are going to try and sort the hardware...
But are they going to sort out the software at the same time???
I really do think that after all the S**t you've had with the unit they should give you a trimix upgrade to ensure the Red Trip is safe.

I'll lend you Dolly the Dolphin!

Pauly

***Louby Lou*** · 4th January 2006, 19:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by Odin)

I'm pleased that at last they are going to try and sort the hardware...
But are they going to sort out the software at the same time???
I really do think that after all the S**t you've had with the unit they should give you a trimix upgrade to ensure the Red Trip is safe.

My sentiments exactly

Will take it one step at a time at the mo... once they have my head and canister they've got it and knowing how long some have waited to get stuff back... Hmmmm

Don't want to nark them whilst they have it and then hang on to it and screw my trip completely... however, whilst they have it, it would be the perfect opportunity for AP to pull out all the stops and up grade it as a surprise for me

I personally feel that I would be happier and less apprehensive about the thing screwing me over if I knew the software was working 100%. Although they have said it is safe to dive, a timer/ software/ computer that is loosing atleast 15mins per hour is going to be incredibly disorientating and to be honest I will not trust the blasted thing as far as I could throw it

Quote: (Originally Posted by Odin)

I'll lend you Dolly the Dolphin!

Pauly

Awwww thankyou sweetie

I must say though thankyou to everyone on RBW that has offered help and support even down to offering the loan of electronics for my trip. I know its cliched but it just shows the forum/ site at its best

Cheers

Lou
x

Allan_o · 4th January 2006, 20:56

To all off you with the on/off probs.
What kind of lube are you using?
i have experienced several kind of siliconebasedlubes getting very though and hard when the temperature drops..
Actually one of my mates had a problem with his mouthpiece, when he was diving in cold water, (< 5celsius) he could not close neither open his mouthpiece.

Just a suggestion..

/Allan

01RMB · 5th January 2006, 04:27

One of the big advantages of the Trimix software over the Nitrox version (other than it does Trimix

and that it actually works

) is that you can adjust the Gradient Factors for what you actually want as opposed to the 5 preset settings that APD give you. You make up your own conservatism with regard to the high and low settings affecting the time for the stops and the deep stop depth. A very nice to have feature even without diving mix.

leadking · 6th January 2006, 14:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

Mine was so tight could pass pos/negative tests without an oring on the lid!

the lids that Kevin measured all varied.. I measured the 5 inspirations I had access to and they were all different!

.

How much did they vary?

***jradomski*** · 6th January 2006, 22:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by leadking)

.

How much did they vary?

off hand I really don't remember but it was more than a few thousandts...

the oring diameter on the insp cannister is ~.103, so it will work reasonably well with a fairly large varience.. Unfortunately the first cannister Kevin measured was at the very end of the large side of the spectrum..

4th January 2006, 14:20	#51 (permalink)
*Beanie* Gallery Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,292	Re: Vision - It Just Gets Better! Well its just been picked up by TNT and is on the way to Cornwall AP arranged for it to be picked up so thats a bonus Hopefully it will be back the middle of next week __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk
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4th January 2006, 14:52	#52 (permalink)
UKSteve Steve Collard Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Weymouth, UK Posts: 600	Re: Vision - It Just Gets Better! Two tips for getting the head off...well it works on mine... Try to do it while it is still warm or otherwise have it in a warm room for a hour or so. I have also run a fan heater across the scrubber (from a couple of feet away!!) for about 5-10 minutes first Get some old neoprene or fold up some leather gloves and put it under the two flanges - it lets you press / pull a bit harder with your fingers against the latice-work without making them bleed! Have to say I've not noticed it getting any easier with use!! Steve
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4th January 2006, 15:07	#53 (permalink)
*Beanie* Gallery Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,292	Re: Vision - It Just Gets Better! Quote: (Originally Posted by UKSteve) Two tips for getting the head off...well it works on mine... Try to do it while it is still warm or otherwise have it in a warm room for a hour or so. I have also run a fan heater across the scrubber (from a couple of feet away!!) for about 5-10 minutes first Get some old neoprene or fold up some leather gloves and put it under the two flanges - it lets you press / pull a bit harder with your fingers against the latice-work without making them bleed! Have to say I've not noticed it getting any easier with use!! Steve Thanks hopefull it will come back easier to use, given that without a significant amount of lube it won't even go together I think, that the two parts are not matched. I have wondered about filling in the holes with putty __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk
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4th January 2006, 18:42	#54 (permalink)
*Louby Lou* XLVI WC! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Roman Corinium! Posts: 1,040	Re: Vision - It Just Gets Better! Quote: (Originally Posted by UKSteve) Two tips for getting the head off...well it works on mine... Try to do it while it is still warm or otherwise have it in a warm room for a hour or so. I have also run a fan heater across the scrubber (from a couple of feet away!!) for about 5-10 minutes first Hi Steve Thanks for the tips Have tried the heating method but the blinking thing still stays firmly in there Quote: (Originally Posted by UKSteve) Get some old neoprene or fold up some leather gloves and put it under the two flanges - it lets you press / pull a bit harder with your fingers against the latice-work without making them bleed! Now there's an idea, have to say I tried it with my gloves on and it did cushion it a little. You'd think really that with the head being injection moulded (correct me if I'm wrong) that for the flanges to be solid, so to speak, it wouldn't of been too hard to do. Whereas, as they are it does make it extremely painful if you have to work at getting the head off Quote: (Originally Posted by UKSteve) Have to say I've not noticed it getting any easier with use!! Neither have I, infact the whole thread was born out of the dm thing getting worse Ho hum the assembly is winging its way to APD courtesy of their courier service. Many thanks to them for sorting that side. I have been told that the turn around is most likely to be mid-week giving me at least 2 weekends of solid diving to do before the Red Sea and to test out the new camera and housing it is back in time and AP can prove my lack of trust and faith, that has developed due to recent dealings, wrong! There's still the matter of the software issue but that's another story and thread __________________ Miss Lou x Use of RBW is subject to the Rebreatherworld Terms and Conditions - Please read! Outlaw Divers** - Sssh we're diving! You heff vays uff dealink vis zem, oh Miss RBW Admin! - Rob Davie Feb 06
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4th January 2006, 18:58	#55 (permalink)
Odin Egbert - the Deco Dancer Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: U.K Posts: 142	Re: Vision - It Just Gets Better! I'm pleased that at last they are going to try and sort the hardware... But are they going to sort out the software at the same time??? I really do think that after all the S**t you've had with the unit they should give you a trimix upgrade to ensure the Red Trip is safe. I'll lend you Dolly the Dolphin! Pauly
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4th January 2006, 19:29	#56 (permalink)
*Louby Lou* XLVI WC! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Roman Corinium! Posts: 1,040	Re: Vision - It Just Gets Better! Quote: (Originally Posted by Odin) I'm pleased that at last they are going to try and sort the hardware... But are they going to sort out the software at the same time??? I really do think that after all the St you've had with the unit they should give you a trimix upgrade to ensure the Red Trip is safe. My sentiments exactly Will take it one step at a time at the mo... once they have my head and canister they've got it and knowing how long some have waited to get stuff back... Hmmmm Don't want to nark them whilst they have it and then hang on to it and screw my trip completely... however, whilst they have it, it would be the perfect opportunity for AP to pull out all the stops and up grade it as a surprise for me I personally feel that I would be happier and less apprehensive about the thing screwing me over if I knew the software was working 100%. Although they have said it is safe to dive, a timer/ software/ computer that is loosing atleast 15mins per hour is going to be incredibly disorientating and to be honest I will not trust the blasted thing as far as I could throw it Quote: (Originally Posted by Odin) I'll lend you Dolly the Dolphin! Pauly Awwww thankyou sweetie I must say though thankyou to everyone on RBW that has offered help and support even down to offering the loan of electronics for my trip. I know its cliched but it just shows the forum/ site at its best Cheers Lou x __________________ Miss Lou x Use of RBW is subject to the Rebreatherworld Terms and Conditions - Please read! Outlaw Divers** - Sssh we're diving! You heff vays uff dealink vis zem, oh Miss RBW Admin! - Rob Davie Feb 06
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4th January 2006, 20:56	#57 (permalink)
Allan_o New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Copenhagen Denmark Posts: 81	Re: Vision - It Just Gets Better! To all off you with the on/off probs. What kind of lube are you using? i have experienced several kind of siliconebasedlubes getting very though and hard when the temperature drops.. Actually one of my mates had a problem with his mouthpiece, when he was diving in cold water, (< 5celsius) he could not close neither open his mouthpiece. Just a suggestion.. /Allan
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5th January 2006, 04:27	#58 (permalink)
01RMB Evolving Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 193	Re: Vision - It Just Gets Better! One of the big advantages of the Trimix software over the Nitrox version (other than it does Trimix and that it actually works ) is that you can adjust the Gradient Factors for what you actually want as opposed to the 5 preset settings that APD give you. You make up your own conservatism with regard to the high and low settings affecting the time for the stops and the deep stop depth. A very nice to have feature even without diving mix. __________________ Cheers Rod
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6th January 2006, 14:02	#59 (permalink)
leadking New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 57	Re: Vision - It Just Gets Better! Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) Mine was so tight could pass pos/negative tests without an oring on the lid! the lids that Kevin measured all varied.. I measured the 5 inspirations I had access to and they were all different! . How much did they vary?
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6th January 2006, 22:19	#60 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,095	Re: Vision - It Just Gets Better! Quote: (Originally Posted by leadking) . How much did they vary? off hand I really don't remember but it was more than a few thousandts... the oring diameter on the insp cannister is ~.103, so it will work reasonably well with a fairly large varience.. Unfortunately the first cannister Kevin measured was at the very end of the large side of the spectrum.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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