Martin Parker

Nick uk. · 27th December 2005, 14:16

Does Martin Parker frequent this site?
If so i would like to ask for his help, in a discussion i'm having here in Italy. I've been backed into a corner and to further defend my choice of the BUDDY INSPIRATION i need the following data;

HOW MANY UNITS HAVE BEEN SOLD TO DATE?

HOW MANY UNITS HAVE BEEN RECALLED TO THE FACTORY TO MAKE WHICH MODIFICATIONS?

WHAT IS THE FACTORY RECOMENDED DURATION TIME OF THE SCRUBBER AT 100MT. WITH WATER TEMP. 10 DEGREES C.?

Thankyou.

If anyone knows how to get theese questions to Martin in the event that he doesn't frequent this site i would be gratefull if you would forward it for me.

Thanks again!!

my e-mail is;
divechief2000@hotmail.com

decowarrior · 27th December 2005, 15:49

hahah

good luck with that thi shas been raised before elsewhere and i think comes under the sensetive corprate information and i dont think has been publicly released

martin plays his cards very close to his chest on this although there are some estimates around

Nick uk. · 27th December 2005, 16:10

Yeah, i know all about the estimates!

Was wanting something from the horses mouth!

Is there any chance Martin will see this post?

decoweenie · 27th December 2005, 16:25

You might as well forget about answers to questions 1 & 2. It will be a cold day in hell when Martin tells you that...

You might get the answer to question 3.

paulraymaekers · 27th December 2005, 16:28

[quote=decoweenie]You might as well forget about answers to questions 1 & 2. It will be a cold day in hell when Martin tells you that...

quote]

... or 'when pigs will fly!'

regards
paul

Nad · 27th December 2005, 17:01

Where are you going to buy the unit or the class?

Nad

ROB DAVIE · 27th December 2005, 17:05

[quote=paulraymaekers

... or 'when pigs will fly!'

regards
paul[/quote]

Hey, you never know. It might happen....because we DO!!

Rob

Nick uk. · 27th December 2005, 17:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by Nad)

Where are you going to buy the unit or the class?

Nad

The class is allready well under way, i'm doing it here in Italy with Gabrielesub' and as for the unit, well if i go the second hand route the world is my oyster, if i buy a new one, it will probebly be from Edoado Pavia, seadwellerdivers, in Rome.

However, before 'buying' a unit, i'm not sure i wouldn't like to try something else allso, maybe a kiss, or an 0p2ima in order to braoden my choices and views of the units on the market, and available in Italy, or nearby. So far i'm only qualified on an Azzimuth, but i know it's definately not the way i wan't go!

So here i am with the YBOD, but since i'm an IANTD instructor, and what with our affiliation with dive rite, i guess i'll be giving the 0p2ima a whirl at some point in time, but i'll have to wait for it to get CE cirt before it would be sanctioned by IANTD Italia. As for the Kiss well, it's another kettle of fish alltogether and therfore i'd like to at least give it a whirl!

Nad · 28th December 2005, 06:26

Quote:

if i buy a new one, it will probebly be from Edoado Pavia, seadwellerdivers, in Rome

Great Choice, he's a good friend and a really good and impartial dealer and instructor.

Quote:

However, before 'buying' a unit, i'm not sure i wouldn't like to try something else allso, maybe a kiss, or an 0p2ima in order to braoden my choices and views of the units on the market, and available in Italy, or nearby. So far i'm only qualified on an Azzimuth, but i know it's definately not the way i wan't go!

So here i am with the YBOD, but since i'm an IANTD instructor, and what with our affiliation with dive rite, i guess i'll be giving the 0p2ima a whirl at some point in time, but i'll have to wait for it to get CE cirt before it would be sanctioned by IANTD Italia. As for the Kiss well, it's another kettle of fish alltogether and therfore i'd like to at least give it a whirl!

You will wait very long for the CE for Optima. However it is not a big problem, if you're interested PM me I'll tell you what's going on.
Best,
Nad

AD_ward9 · 28th December 2005, 07:32

Quote: (Originally Posted by Nick uk.)

Q1: Does Martin Parker frequent this site?
Q2: HOW MANY UNITS HAVE BEEN SOLD TO DATE?
Q3: HOW MANY UNITS HAVE BEEN RECALLED TO THE FACTORY TO MAKE WHICH MODIFICATIONS?
Q4: WHAT IS THE FACTORY RECOMENDED DURATION TIME OF THE SCRUBBER AT 100MT. WITH WATER TEMP. 10 DEGREES C.?

One needs to be careful, as APD have an almost religious following and any criticism produces a strong reaction. This supresses information. So, in the spirit of an open response, here are some answers:

Answers:
1. Yes. Martin Parker posts on this forum and reads the forum.
2. APD refuse to say how many units they have sold even when challenged by coroners. So far, no-one seems to have sought court diligence on APD to oblige them to provide this information: that would put the information into the public domain. The estimate in the industry of Inspiration sales is between 3500 and 5500. The only time I have heard a higher figure is that in 2004 a member of very senior APD staff is reported to have stated to a component supplier that the number is 50,000: the supplier is very reliable. Clearly the data from APD is false in this instance: there is no way every diver in the UK has bought an Inspiration. If APD do publish a figure in the future, then sales per year is really required to authenticate the number. (Name of person who gave figure is known, but held back here)
3: We are not aware of APD having issued any recall to its customers, even those who bought Inspirations with handsets prior to Sept 2000 when the red backlight handset upgrade was introduced. Handsets prior to that upgrade have a series of gross design faults which results in a mean time between critical faulure of around 20 hours (I experienced about 8 hours MTBCF on those units). What we can be sure of is that if APD have issued any recall then it is patchy: I can state with certainty that there is a pool who have not received any recall letter ever and for whom APD have the correct address. The population of Inspirations with non-backlit handsets is believed to be a few hundred. Anyone with one of these units should have the handsets replaced: this means sending it back to the factory and buying new handsets. This information is common knowledge.
4. You are asking for a factory recommended duration, so only the factory can answer that one. However, from the data we have, particularly the sensitivity to tunnelling in the prone position, I would suggest 2.5 to 3 hours. I know people are using it for 6 hours. You do mention 100m, hence the same sort of conservative figure should be applied that responsible manufacturers use to rate pre-packed cartridges.

If any of this information is incorrect, then APD can publish the correction.

Cheers
Alex

27th December 2005, 14:16	#1 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 575	Martin Parker Does Martin Parker frequent this site? If so i would like to ask for his help, in a discussion i'm having here in Italy. I've been backed into a corner and to further defend my choice of the BUDDY INSPIRATION i need the following data; HOW MANY UNITS HAVE BEEN SOLD TO DATE? HOW MANY UNITS HAVE BEEN RECALLED TO THE FACTORY TO MAKE WHICH MODIFICATIONS? WHAT IS THE FACTORY RECOMENDED DURATION TIME OF THE SCRUBBER AT 100MT. WITH WATER TEMP. 10 DEGREES C.? Thankyou. If anyone knows how to get theese questions to Martin in the event that he doesn't frequent this site i would be gratefull if you would forward it for me. Thanks again!! my e-mail is; divechief2000@hotmail.com __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
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27th December 2005, 15:49	#2 (permalink)
decowarrior New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: stoke Posts: 43	Re: Martin Parker hahah good luck with that thi shas been raised before elsewhere and i think comes under the sensetive corprate information and i dont think has been publicly released martin plays his cards very close to his chest on this although there are some estimates around __________________ wetter the better
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27th December 2005, 16:10	#3 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 575	Re: Martin Parker Yeah, i know all about the estimates! Was wanting something from the horses mouth! Is there any chance Martin will see this post? __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
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27th December 2005, 16:25	#4 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Martin Parker You might as well forget about answers to questions 1 & 2. It will be a cold day in hell when Martin tells you that... You might get the answer to question 3. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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27th December 2005, 16:28	#5 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 1,599	Re: Martin Parker [quote=decoweenie]You might as well forget about answers to questions 1 & 2. It will be a cold day in hell when Martin tells you that... quote] ... or 'when pigs will fly!' regards paul __________________ www.rEvo-rebreathers.com .... the earth is flat, Elvis is alive, and radial scrubbers give longer dwell time than axials...
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27th December 2005, 17:01	#6 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 1,007	Re: Martin Parker Where are you going to buy the unit or the class? Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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27th December 2005, 17:05	#7 (permalink)
ROB DAVIE Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: HOUSTON, REPUBLIC OF TEJAS Posts: 1,120	Re: Martin Parker [quote=paulraymaekers ... or 'when pigs will fly!' regards paul[/quote] Hey, you never know. It might happen....because we DO!! Rob __________________ "CC Rebreathers will become a viable part of tech diving WHEN PIGS FLY!!"--GI3
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27th December 2005, 17:23	#8 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 575	Re: Martin Parker Quote: (Originally Posted by Nad) Where are you going to buy the unit or the class? Nad The class is allready well under way, i'm doing it here in Italy with Gabrielesub' and as for the unit, well if i go the second hand route the world is my oyster, if i buy a new one, it will probebly be from Edoado Pavia, seadwellerdivers, in Rome. However, before 'buying' a unit, i'm not sure i wouldn't like to try something else allso, maybe a kiss, or an 0p2ima in order to braoden my choices and views of the units on the market, and available in Italy, or nearby. So far i'm only qualified on an Azzimuth, but i know it's definately not the way i wan't go! So here i am with the YBOD, but since i'm an IANTD instructor, and what with our affiliation with dive rite, i guess i'll be giving the 0p2ima a whirl at some point in time, but i'll have to wait for it to get CE cirt before it would be sanctioned by IANTD Italia. As for the Kiss well, it's another kettle of fish alltogether and therfore i'd like to at least give it a whirl! __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
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28th December 2005, 06:26	#9 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 1,007	Re: Martin Parker Quote: if i buy a new one, it will probebly be from Edoado Pavia, seadwellerdivers, in Rome Great Choice, he's a good friend and a really good and impartial dealer and instructor. Quote: However, before 'buying' a unit, i'm not sure i wouldn't like to try something else allso, maybe a kiss, or an 0p2ima in order to braoden my choices and views of the units on the market, and available in Italy, or nearby. So far i'm only qualified on an Azzimuth, but i know it's definately not the way i wan't go! So here i am with the YBOD, but since i'm an IANTD instructor, and what with our affiliation with dive rite, i guess i'll be giving the 0p2ima a whirl at some point in time, but i'll have to wait for it to get CE cirt before it would be sanctioned by IANTD Italia. As for the Kiss well, it's another kettle of fish alltogether and therfore i'd like to at least give it a whirl! You will wait very long for the CE for Optima. However it is not a big problem, if you're interested PM me I'll tell you what's going on. Best, Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried Last edited by Decodiver : 28th December 2005 at 09:14. Reason: Formatted quote
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28th December 2005, 07:32	#10 (permalink)
AD_ward9 - Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,004	Re: Martin Parker Quote: (Originally Posted by Nick uk.) Q1: Does Martin Parker frequent this site? Q2: HOW MANY UNITS HAVE BEEN SOLD TO DATE? Q3: HOW MANY UNITS HAVE BEEN RECALLED TO THE FACTORY TO MAKE WHICH MODIFICATIONS? Q4: WHAT IS THE FACTORY RECOMENDED DURATION TIME OF THE SCRUBBER AT 100MT. WITH WATER TEMP. 10 DEGREES C.? One needs to be careful, as APD have an almost religious following and any criticism produces a strong reaction. This supresses information. So, in the spirit of an open response, here are some answers: Answers: 1. Yes. Martin Parker posts on this forum and reads the forum. 2. APD refuse to say how many units they have sold even when challenged by coroners. So far, no-one seems to have sought court diligence on APD to oblige them to provide this information: that would put the information into the public domain. The estimate in the industry of Inspiration sales is between 3500 and 5500. The only time I have heard a higher figure is that in 2004 a member of very senior APD staff is reported to have stated to a component supplier that the number is 50,000: the supplier is very reliable. Clearly the data from APD is false in this instance: there is no way every diver in the UK has bought an Inspiration. If APD do publish a figure in the future, then sales per year is really required to authenticate the number. (Name of person who gave figure is known, but held back here) 3: We are not aware of APD having issued any recall to its customers, even those who bought Inspirations with handsets prior to Sept 2000 when the red backlight handset upgrade was introduced. Handsets prior to that upgrade have a series of gross design faults which results in a mean time between critical faulure of around 20 hours (I experienced about 8 hours MTBCF on those units). What we can be sure of is that if APD have issued any recall then it is patchy: I can state with certainty that there is a pool who have not received any recall letter ever and for whom APD have the correct address. The population of Inspirations with non-backlit handsets is believed to be a few hundred. Anyone with one of these units should have the handsets replaced: this means sending it back to the factory and buying new handsets. This information is common knowledge. 4. You are asking for a factory recommended duration, so only the factory can answer that one. However, from the data we have, particularly the sensitivity to tunnelling in the prone position, I would suggest 2.5 to 3 hours. I know people are using it for 6 hours. You do mention 100m, hence the same sort of conservative figure should be applied that responsible manufacturers use to rate pre-packed cartridges. If any of this information is incorrect, then APD can publish the correction. Cheers Alex Last edited by AD_ward9 : 28th December 2005 at 07:34.
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