Martin Parker

Nick uk. · 28th December 2005, 10:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by Nad)

Great Choice, he's a good friend and a really good and impartial dealer and instructor.

You will wait very long for the CE for Optima. However it is not a big problem, if you're interested PM me I'll tell you what's going on.
Best,
Nad

Thanks Nad. I spoke with Fabio Ruberti just before christmas about it, and he gave me the heads up. Anyway, i don't think i'll make a decision before Eudi.
See you there!?

Nick uk. · 28th December 2005, 10:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by AD_ward9)

One needs to be careful, as APD have an almost religious following and any criticism produces a strong reaction. This supresses information. So, in the spirit of an open response, here are some answers:

Ooooh, the'll not come and get me in my sleep will they?

.

If any of this information is incorrect, then APD can publish the correction.

Thanks. All a bit tabloidee though. the only 'fact' you gave me is that Martin Parker reads, and posts on this site.

Just so that it's clear, i am a YBOD fan! Am taking my class at the moment, and more than likely will buy one!!

It would be nice though if company policy was to back their product up with hard facts on request.

Cheers
Alex

Thanks anyway.

Rob Evans · 28th December 2005, 15:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by AD_ward9)

3: We are not aware of APD having issued any recall to its customers, even those who bought Inspirations with handsets prior to Sept 2000 when the red backlight handset upgrade was introduced. Handsets prior to that upgrade have a series of gross design faults which results in a mean time between critical faulure of around 20 hours (I experienced about 8 hours MTBCF on those units). What we can be sure of is that if APD have issued any recall then it is patchy: I can state with certainty that there is a pool who have not received any recall letter ever and for whom APD have the correct address. The population of Inspirations with non-backlit handsets is believed to be a few hundred. Anyone with one of these units should have the handsets replaced: this means sending it back to the factory and buying new handsets. This information is common knowledge.

Alex

OK - without coming over all evangelical or anything

, I do have to pull you up on this one Alex. I'll grant that you have in all likelihood had way more Inspos pass under your gaze than I have, but I do feel the above needs a bit of balance...

My unit is one of the ancient pre-backlit jobbies and it has roughly 700 hours on it - I had to replace one of the handsets last year cos (fool that I am) I left it cooking under a hot Florida sun and goosed the LCD display. I sent the head & leccies back to APD and they did give me the option of replacing both handsets with backlit ones. However, as I was perfectly happy with what I had and a firm believer in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" (others who know me would suggest this is a euphemism for "tight as a duck's arse") I had them replace the knackered handset with another non-backlit.

Aside from that, the number of handset-related issues I've had on the box have been...... precisely zero.

***Decodiver*** · 28th December 2005, 16:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by Rob Evans)

Aside from that, the number of handset-related issues I've had on the box have been...... precisely zero.

Hi Rob,

As you say 700 hours kinda proves a point.

That said though Rob, you are absolutely barking....

Cheers,

Dave.

Rob Evans · 28th December 2005, 22:49

Thanks Dave, made me grin.

Just interested why you think I'm barking though? Is there something about the handsets you know that I don't?
I know one of the shockers about them is that apparently they'll quite cheerfully let you calibrate at depth, but they've never been ill-mannered enough to present me with that option.
Not sure what I'd do if the situation occurred though. I could stand to lose a bit of weight and all that thrashing about from 70m to the surface is bound to relieve me of a pound or two, so the jury's out on that one.

EDIT: Your daughter's an absolute sweetie by the way - congratulations, I'm really pleased for you mate. Seeing her piccies made me dig out the ol' family albums, they're lovely at that age and get lovelier still the more time you spend with them. Enjoy it whilst it lasts, she'll be a teenager sooner than you could believe

***Decodiver*** · 29th December 2005, 09:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by Rob Evans)

Thanks Dave, made me grin.

Just interested why you think I'm barking though? :

You got it in one, I know as you say the old adage, 'If it aint broke.....' but there comes a time when we all have to move into the backlit world.

And you're right about the calibration thing Rob, you'd have to be a complete knob to do that, but we've all done very stupid things when narced!!

In fact I remember the story of the Aussie who calibrated his unit underwater.

Here's the story nabbed from elsewhere on the net, apologies to the old hands who've seen it before:

"Barry's big day out: (don't read on if details bore you!)

Barry's Inspiration uses three separate electronically controlled O2 sensors and a polling method. Near the start of the dive and on the bottom at nearly 50m, one sensor went u/s, and the computer asked him if he wanted to recalibrate all three, and in his self admitted complacency, he answered yes.

He later realised the computer was asking him a question akin to "Do you want to suffer an enormous CNS O2 seizure and die, or not?" As the O2 set point for the dive was 1.4, and as he had just told the sensors that he was now only at 1 atm, and therefore PO2 of 0.21, the 'breather then commenced adding pure o2 into the loop, with the expected results of two major seizures.

He should not be alive to tell this story, as on the ascent, having bailed to open circuit, his bailout gas supply exhausted (he suspects it wasn't full to start with - error #2), luckily he had made it to the ascent line and was able to receive gas from another diver, but he continued to the surface fearing another major hit, which actually occurred. He was also not cognitive of one divers efforts to give him air, despite being right in his face.

Barry will freely admit he f___d up, due to complacency. He still has faith in the rebreather, and is not shy to tell people what he did wrong in order to let other people learn from his mistakes. Here endeth the lesson."

Quote: (Originally Posted by Rob Evans)

Your daughter's an absolute sweetie by the way - congratulations, I'm really pleased for you mate. Seeing her piccies made me dig out the ol' family albums, they're lovely at that age and get lovelier still the more time you spend with them. Enjoy it whilst it lasts, she'll be a teenager sooner than you could believe

Thanks Rob, future boyfriends will be meeting Mr Beretta!!

Have a safe 2006.

Cheers,

Dave.

decoweenie · 29th December 2005, 09:42

Just a put a timeline on the story above, what happened to Bazza was a looooong time ago (5+ years ?) when the Inspiration was in its infancy.

A lot was learned from that incident however...

dave t · 29th December 2005, 09:52

The later handsets will not let you calibrate underwater, this is achieved by the unit checking the milivolt output of the cells, if it is above a certain limit that can be achieved at surface pressure it will not allow calibration.

I doubt you will get a response from Martin until next week as the factory is closed for the holidays

Dave

Karlos · 29th December 2005, 10:49

Yep - I have one of the old units with old handsets and Barry keeps reminding me not to calibrate when at 50m...

**Steve** · 29th December 2005, 11:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by Karlos)

Yep - I have one of the old units with old handsets and Barry keeps reminding me not to calibrate when at 50m...

WOW. Wasn't there a factory recall for this blunder?

28th December 2005, 10:42	#11 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 575	Re: Martin Parker Quote: (Originally Posted by Nad) Great Choice, he's a good friend and a really good and impartial dealer and instructor. You will wait very long for the CE for Optima. However it is not a big problem, if you're interested PM me I'll tell you what's going on. Best, Nad Thanks Nad. I spoke with Fabio Ruberti just before christmas about it, and he gave me the heads up. Anyway, i don't think i'll make a decision before Eudi. See you there!? __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
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28th December 2005, 10:59	#12 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 575	Re: Martin Parker Quote: (Originally Posted by AD_ward9) One needs to be careful, as APD have an almost religious following and any criticism produces a strong reaction. This supresses information. So, in the spirit of an open response, here are some answers: Ooooh, the'll not come and get me in my sleep will they? . If any of this information is incorrect, then APD can publish the correction. Thanks. All a bit tabloidee though. the only 'fact' you gave me is that Martin Parker reads, and posts on this site. Just so that it's clear, i am a YBOD fan! Am taking my class at the moment, and more than likely will buy one!! It would be nice though if company policy was to back their product up with hard facts on request. Cheers Alex Thanks anyway. __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
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28th December 2005, 15:51	#13 (permalink)
Rob Evans New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 35	Re: Martin Parker Quote: (Originally Posted by AD_ward9) 3: We are not aware of APD having issued any recall to its customers, even those who bought Inspirations with handsets prior to Sept 2000 when the red backlight handset upgrade was introduced. Handsets prior to that upgrade have a series of gross design faults which results in a mean time between critical faulure of around 20 hours (I experienced about 8 hours MTBCF on those units). What we can be sure of is that if APD have issued any recall then it is patchy: I can state with certainty that there is a pool who have not received any recall letter ever and for whom APD have the correct address. The population of Inspirations with non-backlit handsets is believed to be a few hundred. Anyone with one of these units should have the handsets replaced: this means sending it back to the factory and buying new handsets. This information is common knowledge. Alex OK - without coming over all evangelical or anything , I do have to pull you up on this one Alex. I'll grant that you have in all likelihood had way more Inspos pass under your gaze than I have, but I do feel the above needs a bit of balance... My unit is one of the ancient pre-backlit jobbies and it has roughly 700 hours on it - I had to replace one of the handsets last year cos (fool that I am) I left it cooking under a hot Florida sun and goosed the LCD display. I sent the head & leccies back to APD and they did give me the option of replacing both handsets with backlit ones. However, as I was perfectly happy with what I had and a firm believer in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" (others who know me would suggest this is a euphemism for "tight as a duck's arse") I had them replace the knackered handset with another non-backlit. Aside from that, the number of handset-related issues I've had on the box have been...... precisely zero. Last edited by Rob Evans : 28th December 2005 at 15:53.
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28th December 2005, 16:31	#14 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,190	Re: Martin Parker Quote: (Originally Posted by Rob Evans) Aside from that, the number of handset-related issues I've had on the box have been...... precisely zero. Hi Rob, As you say 700 hours kinda proves a point. That said though Rob, you are absolutely barking.... Cheers, Dave. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions Last edited by Decodiver : 28th December 2005 at 16:37.
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28th December 2005, 22:49	#15 (permalink)
Rob Evans New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 35	Re: Martin Parker Thanks Dave, made me grin. Just interested why you think I'm barking though? Is there something about the handsets you know that I don't? I know one of the shockers about them is that apparently they'll quite cheerfully let you calibrate at depth, but they've never been ill-mannered enough to present me with that option. Not sure what I'd do if the situation occurred though. I could stand to lose a bit of weight and all that thrashing about from 70m to the surface is bound to relieve me of a pound or two, so the jury's out on that one. EDIT: Your daughter's an absolute sweetie by the way - congratulations, I'm really pleased for you mate. Seeing her piccies made me dig out the ol' family albums, they're lovely at that age and get lovelier still the more time you spend with them. Enjoy it whilst it lasts, she'll be a teenager sooner than you could believe Last edited by Rob Evans : 28th December 2005 at 23:09.
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29th December 2005, 09:23	#16 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,190	Re: Martin Parker Quote: (Originally Posted by Rob Evans) Thanks Dave, made me grin. Just interested why you think I'm barking though? : You got it in one, I know as you say the old adage, 'If it aint broke.....' but there comes a time when we all have to move into the backlit world. And you're right about the calibration thing Rob, you'd have to be a complete knob to do that, but we've all done very stupid things when narced!! In fact I remember the story of the Aussie who calibrated his unit underwater. Here's the story nabbed from elsewhere on the net, apologies to the old hands who've seen it before: "Barry's big day out: (don't read on if details bore you!) Barry's Inspiration uses three separate electronically controlled O2 sensors and a polling method. Near the start of the dive and on the bottom at nearly 50m, one sensor went u/s, and the computer asked him if he wanted to recalibrate all three, and in his self admitted complacency, he answered yes. He later realised the computer was asking him a question akin to "Do you want to suffer an enormous CNS O2 seizure and die, or not?" As the O2 set point for the dive was 1.4, and as he had just told the sensors that he was now only at 1 atm, and therefore PO2 of 0.21, the 'breather then commenced adding pure o2 into the loop, with the expected results of two major seizures. He should not be alive to tell this story, as on the ascent, having bailed to open circuit, his bailout gas supply exhausted (he suspects it wasn't full to start with - error #2), luckily he had made it to the ascent line and was able to receive gas from another diver, but he continued to the surface fearing another major hit, which actually occurred. He was also not cognitive of one divers efforts to give him air, despite being right in his face. Barry will freely admit he f___d up, due to complacency. He still has faith in the rebreather, and is not shy to tell people what he did wrong in order to let other people learn from his mistakes. Here endeth the lesson." Quote: (Originally Posted by Rob Evans) Your daughter's an absolute sweetie by the way - congratulations, I'm really pleased for you mate. Seeing her piccies made me dig out the ol' family albums, they're lovely at that age and get lovelier still the more time you spend with them. Enjoy it whilst it lasts, she'll be a teenager sooner than you could believe Thanks Rob, future boyfriends will be meeting Mr Beretta!! Have a safe 2006. Cheers, Dave. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Martin Parker Just a put a timeline on the story above, what happened to Bazza was a looooong time ago (5+ years ?) when the Inspiration was in its infancy. A lot was learned from that incident however... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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29th December 2005, 09:52	#18 (permalink)
dave t RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 659	Re: Martin Parker The later handsets will not let you calibrate underwater, this is achieved by the unit checking the milivolt output of the cells, if it is above a certain limit that can be achieved at surface pressure it will not allow calibration. I doubt you will get a response from Martin until next week as the factory is closed for the holidays Dave
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29th December 2005, 10:49	#19 (permalink)
Karlos New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 55	Re: Martin Parker Yep - I have one of the old units with old handsets and Barry keeps reminding me not to calibrate when at 50m...
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