feedback on Decoweenie travelframe

Janwillem Bech · 8th January 2006, 13:23

Used used a very cheap system with these rings.
something like:
http://www.deheul.com/images/afb68.jpg

You just put one on the tool and bang it with a hammer.

Cheers

Janwillem

Janwillem Bech · 8th January 2006, 13:38

Oh ja, I almost forgot to tell you.
To make the unit universal I have been looking arround to find the ideal connection for different size bottles.
Since 90% of the time I will use the 3 ltr bottles I do not want to use those horrible cambuckles. Instead I used the scubapro bottle system that works fantastic! Also for smaller bottles. With the same belt you are able to lock 3 - 10 ltr bottles!
Check this out:

They are expensive.... I payed euro 44 each..

Regards;

Janwillem

UKSteve · 8th January 2006, 17:49

For those in UK ...here is the thing...

http://www.handtools-uk.com/product_...roducts_id=311

Again, thanks to Jan-Willem...

Cobby · 12th January 2006, 18:06

Hi,

Did you check the weight gain between the classic Inspiration and the TravelFrame equiped with the Inspiration parts ?

Thanks

Chris

decoweenie · 12th January 2006, 19:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by Cobby)

Did you check the weight gain between the classic Inspiration and the TravelFrame equiped with the Inspiration parts ?

From the other thread on this same subject, the weight difference between the Inspiration case and Travel-Frame is a little more than 1 kg (?)

Everything else should remain the same since you simply move the components from one case to another.

However, the advantage is more than just this weight difference...

much smaller to pack
fits in carry-on luggage
use ant tank size at destination (larger than 3L, for example)
better trim
fits small 3rd tank on bottom easily
less resistance when swimming against current
etc...

dave t · 12th January 2006, 20:00

yellow box weighs 4kgs (at least mine does) travel frame just over 1kgs

steevke · 12th January 2006, 21:51

The perforated frame weighs 2.0 kilo/4.5Lbs, the plain lid 2.3/5.0 Lbs. This is about 2 kilo lighter than the standard casing.

But weight is only one thing, there are other advantages.

The biggest advantage of the frame is that you can leave your cylinders at home. If you dive an Evolution, you can use 3L cylinders destined for the Inspiration, or if those aren't available, attach larger cylinders, such as the 5 liters used on the dolphin, or al40's. If really needed, you can even use 7 liters or - if absolutely necessary - al80's.

The frame is also small, so you have more room in your suitcase to pack 'standard' luggage - such as clean underwear

, extra t-shirts or some bags of lime. On some airlines you could even take the frame as carry-on (hand-luggage).

As the frame is lighter than the standard casing, it feels more nimble in the water (less mass) - so more agile when diving.

Even though it is 2 kilo lighter, stainless steel is a lot denser than plastic, so you need less lead compared to the standard casing.

It has lot's of holes so you can adapt the position of the breather on your backplate. This helps finding a better trim.

It allows doing 'non-standard stuff', such as mounting the cylinders upright.

It looks cool

etc etc etc.

Steven

Cobby · 13th January 2006, 07:52

Hi,
If I well understood, I just need to buy 2 extra bolts to fix my jacket (Inspiration orginal one) on it. For the 3 L tanks can you use the Inspiration cams to attach them or d you need to buy extra one.

Thanks,
Chris

decoweenie · 13th January 2006, 08:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by Cobby)

If I well understood, I just need to buy 2 extra bolts to fix my jacket (Inspiration orginal one) on it. For the 3 L tanks can you use the Inspiration cams to attach them or d you need to buy extra one.

We have decided to include 2 bolts and wingnuts on the 2nd batch to save the trouble.

Read the earlier posts about the straps (on this thread and on the design thread). You will need straps similar to what is used for single tank OC, found in any dive shop.

The straps came with the Inspiration are not secured when using outside of the case since it uses velcro to tighten.

nmanfield · 15th January 2006, 19:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by Janwillem Bech)

Oh ja, I almost forgot to tell you.
To make the unit universal I have been looking arround to find the ideal connection for different size bottles.
Since 90% of the time I will use the 3 ltr bottles I do not want to use those horrible cambuckles. Instead I used the scubapro bottle system that works fantastic! Also for smaller bottles. With the same belt you are able to lock 3 - 10 ltr bottles!
Check this out:

They are expensive.... I payed euro 44 each..

Regards;

Janwillem

Hi Janwillem,

I've also got the weenie frame and had some similar (though not Scubapro) cambands as above lurking in the garage. What I have found is that a 3 litre tank is just too small for them to grip properly. I have never been a great fan of standard cambands but I was wondering if anyone else out there had come up with a different solution. I like the idea of SS wormed bands, but I'm wondering if they'll be stable enough. Any thoughts advice would be welcome

8th January 2006, 13:23	#71 (permalink)
Janwillem Bech New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 90	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe Used used a very cheap system with these rings. something like: http://www.deheul.com/images/afb68.jpg You just put one on the tool and bang it with a hammer. Cheers Janwillem
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8th January 2006, 13:38	#72 (permalink)
Janwillem Bech New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 90	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe Oh ja, I almost forgot to tell you. To make the unit universal I have been looking arround to find the ideal connection for different size bottles. Since 90% of the time I will use the 3 ltr bottles I do not want to use those horrible cambuckles. Instead I used the scubapro bottle system that works fantastic! Also for smaller bottles. With the same belt you are able to lock 3 - 10 ltr bottles! Check this out: They are expensive.... I payed euro 44 each.. Regards; Janwillem
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8th January 2006, 17:49	#73 (permalink)
UKSteve Steve Collard Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Weymouth, UK Posts: 601	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe For those in UK ...here is the thing... http://www.handtools-uk.com/product_...roducts_id=311 Again, thanks to Jan-Willem...
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12th January 2006, 18:06	#74 (permalink)
Cobby New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: FRANCE Posts: 24	Question on Decoweenie travelframe Hi, Did you check the weight gain between the classic Inspiration and the TravelFrame equiped with the Inspiration parts ? Thanks Chris
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12th January 2006, 19:31	#75 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Question on Decoweenie travelframe Quote: (Originally Posted by Cobby) Did you check the weight gain between the classic Inspiration and the TravelFrame equiped with the Inspiration parts ? From the other thread on this same subject, the weight difference between the Inspiration case and Travel-Frame is a little more than 1 kg (?) Everything else should remain the same since you simply move the components from one case to another. However, the advantage is more than just this weight difference... much smaller to pack fits in carry-on luggage use ant tank size at destination (larger than 3L, for example) better trim fits small 3rd tank on bottom easily less resistance when swimming against current etc... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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12th January 2006, 20:00	#76 (permalink)
dave t RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 674	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe yellow box weighs 4kgs (at least mine does) travel frame just over 1kgs
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12th January 2006, 21:51	#77 (permalink)
steevke Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 317	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe The perforated frame weighs 2.0 kilo/4.5Lbs, the plain lid 2.3/5.0 Lbs. This is about 2 kilo lighter than the standard casing. But weight is only one thing, there are other advantages. The biggest advantage of the frame is that you can leave your cylinders at home. If you dive an Evolution, you can use 3L cylinders destined for the Inspiration, or if those aren't available, attach larger cylinders, such as the 5 liters used on the dolphin, or al40's. If really needed, you can even use 7 liters or - if absolutely necessary - al80's. The frame is also small, so you have more room in your suitcase to pack 'standard' luggage - such as clean underwear , extra t-shirts or some bags of lime. On some airlines you could even take the frame as carry-on (hand-luggage). As the frame is lighter than the standard casing, it feels more nimble in the water (less mass) - so more agile when diving. Even though it is 2 kilo lighter, stainless steel is a lot denser than plastic, so you need less lead compared to the standard casing. It has lot's of holes so you can adapt the position of the breather on your backplate. This helps finding a better trim. It allows doing 'non-standard stuff', such as mounting the cylinders upright. It looks cool etc etc etc. Steven
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13th January 2006, 07:52	#78 (permalink)
Cobby New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: FRANCE Posts: 24	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe Hi, If I well understood, I just need to buy 2 extra bolts to fix my jacket (Inspiration orginal one) on it. For the 3 L tanks can you use the Inspiration cams to attach them or d you need to buy extra one. Thanks, Chris
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13th January 2006, 08:10	#79 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe Quote: (Originally Posted by Cobby) If I well understood, I just need to buy 2 extra bolts to fix my jacket (Inspiration orginal one) on it. For the 3 L tanks can you use the Inspiration cams to attach them or d you need to buy extra one. We have decided to include 2 bolts and wingnuts on the 2nd batch to save the trouble. Read the earlier posts about the straps (on this thread and on the design thread). You will need straps similar to what is used for single tank OC, found in any dive shop. The straps came with the Inspiration are not secured when using outside of the case since it uses velcro to tighten. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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15th January 2006, 19:15	#80 (permalink)
nmanfield Megalegalegalegadingdong! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Odessa, Ukraine Posts: 329	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe Quote: (Originally Posted by Janwillem Bech) Oh ja, I almost forgot to tell you. To make the unit universal I have been looking arround to find the ideal connection for different size bottles. Since 90% of the time I will use the 3 ltr bottles I do not want to use those horrible cambuckles. Instead I used the scubapro bottle system that works fantastic! Also for smaller bottles. With the same belt you are able to lock 3 - 10 ltr bottles! Check this out: They are expensive.... I payed euro 44 each.. Regards; Janwillem Hi Janwillem, I've also got the weenie frame and had some similar (though not Scubapro) cambands as above lurking in the garage. What I have found is that a 3 litre tank is just too small for them to grip properly. I have never been a great fan of standard cambands but I was wondering if anyone else out there had come up with a different solution. I like the idea of SS wormed bands, but I'm wondering if they'll be stable enough. Any thoughts advice would be welcome
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