feedback on Decoweenie travelframe

PCDiver · 12th December 2005, 08:06

I used the Decoweenie Travelframe for two one hour dives over the weekend. It worked great. I used it with a standard 16 KG APD wing and the low profile rebreather backplate from Golemgear.

I added two KG on the top of the frame and six KG in my weight pouches on my belt. Stability and trim were fine. Also the drag was a lot less then with the yellow brick.

I see absolutely no reason why this frame should not become the defacto standard for all Inspiration/Evolution divers that fly often. The entire unit including the frame will most likely fit into carry-on luggage and you can use whatever tanksize you want.

The only complaint I have is "Phi, why did you wait so long with building/selling this frame!!!".

Peter

decoweenie · 12th December 2005, 08:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver)

The only complaint I have is "Phi, why did you wait so long with building/selling this frame!!!".

Complaint already ? Can't please everyone...

Thanks Peter for the feed-back, especially positive one. I hope the rest of the group will find it equally useful.

After your upcoming trip, please make sure to provide more feed-back concerning the packability, weight and use in warm water as well.

PCDiver · 12th December 2005, 09:38

Complete report will follow when we return mid January. I'll probably post some photos after next weekend. We had some planned for this weekend but my buddy had his macro lens on his camera.

When did you say those BM-CL will be available?

Juz · 12th December 2005, 09:43

Could you mount 2 cylinders each side? Perhaps a 7l and the 3l drive tank on each side?

I know it's a travel frame and my question might be a bit OTT, but was just wondering. Certainly on the pics it looks like it's only one tank each side.

Juz

decoweenie · 12th December 2005, 09:53

I don't know if it is possible until we try.

As you read, the primary goal was for ease of travel to warm water destinations where the majority of the dives are done with 2 x 3L rental tanks. So we tried to make it as slim as possible.

There is no provision made for mounting 2 tanks per side. It could be done, but the 2 x 7L should be mounted forward (same as the 3L shown in the pictures), then strap the 2 x 3L to the remaining vertical rod and 7L. The 3L will not fit between the 2 vertical rods since the 7L will take most of the space on the side.

PCDiver · 12th December 2005, 10:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by Juz)

Could you mount 2 cylinders each side? Perhaps a 7l and the 3l drive tank on each side?

I know it's a travel frame and my question might be a bit OTT, but was just wondering. Certainly on the pics it looks like it's only one tank each side.

Juz

You could mount the 7 liters to the sides of the frame and use quick connects to attach the 3 liters to the 7 liters. But this setup does not fall in the "streamlined" category.

Juz · 12th December 2005, 11:54

Cheers guys, thanks for coming back to me.

Juz

CCR900 · 12th December 2005, 14:08

Nothing wrong with back mounting the 3's on the Weeniebox and use sidies, no? So traveling light and doing a bit of the deep stuff is still possible.

I would not like to be half way through a deepie to find out that the Weeniebox isn't strong enough

Fil

decoweenie · 12th December 2005, 15:28

I agree that I would (personally) use stages instead of mounting everything in the back from having expienced with different issues of:

high dry-weight to transport and copy with on a rocking boat
high CoG versus more stability of stages
walk up ladder with heavy weight
etc...

but I believe the Travel-Frame will be strong enough since we have placed 72kg of weight (a body) across the weaker axes of the frame without problem.

graham_hk · 13th December 2005, 01:03

tut tut Phi - should be 72kg of mass or ~720N of weight

Graham

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

I agree that I would (personally) use stages instead of mounting everything in the back from having expienced with different issues of:

high dry-weight to transport and copy with on a rocking boat
high CoG versus more stability of stages
walk up ladder with heavy weight
etc...

but I believe the Travel-Frame will be strong enough since we have placed 72kg of weight (a body) across the weaker axes of the frame without problem.

12th December 2005, 08:06	#1 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,003	feedback on Decoweenie travelframe I used the Decoweenie Travelframe for two one hour dives over the weekend. It worked great. I used it with a standard 16 KG APD wing and the low profile rebreather backplate from Golemgear. I added two KG on the top of the frame and six KG in my weight pouches on my belt. Stability and trim were fine. Also the drag was a lot less then with the yellow brick. I see absolutely no reason why this frame should not become the defacto standard for all Inspiration/Evolution divers that fly often. The entire unit including the frame will most likely fit into carry-on luggage and you can use whatever tanksize you want. The only complaint I have is "Phi, why did you wait so long with building/selling this frame!!!". Peter
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12th December 2005, 08:31	#2 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver) The only complaint I have is "Phi, why did you wait so long with building/selling this frame!!!". Complaint already ? Can't please everyone... Thanks Peter for the feed-back, especially positive one. I hope the rest of the group will find it equally useful. After your upcoming trip, please make sure to provide more feed-back concerning the packability, weight and use in warm water as well. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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12th December 2005, 09:38	#3 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,003	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe Complete report will follow when we return mid January. I'll probably post some photos after next weekend. We had some planned for this weekend but my buddy had his macro lens on his camera. When did you say those BM-CL will be available?
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12th December 2005, 09:43	#4 (permalink)
Juz Team Kinky Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: London UK Posts: 147	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe Could you mount 2 cylinders each side? Perhaps a 7l and the 3l drive tank on each side? I know it's a travel frame and my question might be a bit OTT, but was just wondering. Certainly on the pics it looks like it's only one tank each side. Juz __________________ ~KINKY DIVERS~ Because going down is fun We are all prompted by the same motives, all deceived by the same fallacies, all animated by hope, obstructed by danger, entangled by desire and seduced by pleasure. Welcome to Kinky Divers!
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12th December 2005, 09:53	#5 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe I don't know if it is possible until we try. As you read, the primary goal was for ease of travel to warm water destinations where the majority of the dives are done with 2 x 3L rental tanks. So we tried to make it as slim as possible. There is no provision made for mounting 2 tanks per side. It could be done, but the 2 x 7L should be mounted forward (same as the 3L shown in the pictures), then strap the 2 x 3L to the remaining vertical rod and 7L. The 3L will not fit between the 2 vertical rods since the 7L will take most of the space on the side. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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12th December 2005, 10:10	#6 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,003	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe Quote: (Originally Posted by Juz) Could you mount 2 cylinders each side? Perhaps a 7l and the 3l drive tank on each side? I know it's a travel frame and my question might be a bit OTT, but was just wondering. Certainly on the pics it looks like it's only one tank each side. Juz You could mount the 7 liters to the sides of the frame and use quick connects to attach the 3 liters to the 7 liters. But this setup does not fall in the "streamlined" category.
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12th December 2005, 11:54	#7 (permalink)
Juz Team Kinky Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: London UK Posts: 147	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe Cheers guys, thanks for coming back to me. Juz __________________ ~KINKY DIVERS~ Because going down is fun We are all prompted by the same motives, all deceived by the same fallacies, all animated by hope, obstructed by danger, entangled by desire and seduced by pleasure. Welcome to Kinky Divers!
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12th December 2005, 14:08	#8 (permalink)
CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 333	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe Nothing wrong with back mounting the 3's on the Weeniebox and use sidies, no? So traveling light and doing a bit of the deep stuff is still possible. I would not like to be half way through a deepie to find out that the Weeniebox isn't strong enough Fil
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12th December 2005, 15:28	#9 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe I agree that I would (personally) use stages instead of mounting everything in the back from having expienced with different issues of: high dry-weight to transport and copy with on a rocking boat high CoG versus more stability of stages walk up ladder with heavy weight etc... but I believe the Travel-Frame will be strong enough since we have placed 72kg of weight (a body) across the weaker axes of the frame without problem. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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13th December 2005, 01:03	#10 (permalink)
graham_hk Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: RB80 / Clone Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss MK 15.X RB80 / Clone Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Philippines Posts: 107	Re: feedback on Decoweenie travelframe tut tut Phi - should be 72kg of mass or ~720N of weight Graham Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) I agree that I would (personally) use stages instead of mounting everything in the back from having expienced with different issues of: high dry-weight to transport and copy with on a rocking boat high CoG versus more stability of stages walk up ladder with heavy weight etc... but I believe the Travel-Frame will be strong enough since we have placed 72kg of weight (a body) across the weaker axes of the frame without problem.
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