Inspiration or Evolution?

Dave Faye · 4th December 2005, 23:00

I am torn between the Inspiration and Evolution. I travel a lot and plan to use the Rebreather on many of my recreational and tech dives over the next few years. I spend half my time diving in New England. It seems the larger canister and bottles on the Insp are an advantage for this type of diving. On the other hand, I travel 2-3 months per year to remote locations so the lighter, smaller Evo may be easier to travel with. Any thoughts on what unit would be better for me. I'm 6' and 190 lbs. Most of my non-recreational dives are in the 150-300' range. I'm going to go with the new vision electronics on the model I pick. Maybe the solution is an Insp and a sport kiss next year?

All thoughts and impressions are appreciated.

Explorer · 4th December 2005, 23:03

For travelling, go with the Evolution. Airlines are watching their baggage weight limits quite strictly now.

***caveseeker7*** · 5th December 2005, 02:22

On this page you find pics and drawings of the Travelweenie©.

The correct formula for calculating the advantages is:
YBOD guts + Travelweenie© = weight < Evo < duration + versatilty

diverklondike · 5th December 2005, 03:12

Will the evo provide you with the scrubber duration that you are looking for when it comes to your tech dives??

***jradomski*** · 5th December 2005, 04:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Faye)

I am torn between the Inspiration and Evolution. I travel a lot and plan to use the Rebreather on many of my recreational and tech dives over the next few years. I spend half my time diving in New England. It seems the larger canister and bottles on the Insp are an advantage for this type of diving. On the other hand, I travel 2-3 months per year to remote locations so the lighter, smaller Evo may be easier to travel with. Any thoughts on what unit would be better for me. I'm 6' and 190 lbs. Most of my non-recreational dives are in the 150-300' range. I'm going to go with the new vision electronics on the model I pick. Maybe the solution is an Insp and a sport kiss next year?

All thoughts and impressions are appreciated.

What duration are you looking out of the EVO.. I know on my tech dives, even the inspiration scrubber rated duration falls short, and I enter "guinea pig" territory.. The evo wouldn't cut it at all on my dives....

01RMB · 5th December 2005, 07:16

Without this becoming an arguement on pushing the duration of a scrubber or the merits of using the temp stik I have found the Evo to be a good unit.

I did two 75m dives each with 30min bottom time and total run time of 125 minutes in 17 degree celcius water over the weekend on a single scrubber fill of Sofnolime 8-12 (797).

In the Java Sea in 30 degree celcius water I was doing three 60-70 metre dives of similar bottom times and run times of between 90 to 120 minutes each on a single fill of 4-8 Sodasorb scrubber.

On none of these series of dives has the temp stik been close to showing the sorb has been close to expiring.

There is more than enough onboard gas to do the dives and whilst you could do two dives on the same trimix and oxygen fill I prefered to have it topped up between dives to give some headroom.

The scrubber monitor provides a good indication of the remaining life of the scrubber and has shown that the Evo is quite capable of reasonable technical dives.

Cheers
Rod

decoweenie · 5th December 2005, 07:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by 01RMB)

Without this becoming an arguement on pushing the duration of a scrubber or the merits of using the temp stik I have found the Evo to be a good unit.

I did two 75m dives each with 30min bottom time and total run time of 125 minutes in 17 degree celcius water over the weekend on a single scrubber fill of Sofnolime 8-12 (797).

Just one more reference point for the Evo duration...

1 x 60m
1 x 72m
2 x 20m
--------
5 hours total (22-26C)

No current, no long-duration heavy work on the dives.

CCR900 · 5th December 2005, 08:07

Just like not liking to run my tanks dry I would prefer to have a little extra in reserve when it come to CO2 absorbant, just in case I need to do more deco than planned (because there was a problem not becuase I decided to stay longer

). For that reason having a 3 hour scrubber on a 2 hour dive makes more sense to me.

I am sure people will argue that the tempstick does the same job as the extra sorb.

I would prefer the Inspo. and travel frame, as caveseeker7 said, if the travelweenie frame can go as hand luggage (and gets through the X ray machine) it would be manna from heaven.

Either rig is a good buy, new software is cool and the after market service is a big plus.

Fil

dave t · 5th December 2005, 16:09

if you travel, more dive centres carry 3l's than 2l's you can put 2l tanks in an inspiration case but you cant put 3l's (if thats all thats avalible) in an evo case. Also for me the evo case is too small when sitting on the boat waiting to jump in, the inspiration sits on the bench behind me keeping the weight off my (weak) back the evo dont!!

decoweenie · 5th December 2005, 20:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by dave t)

...more dive centres carry 3l's than 2l's you can put 2l tanks in an inspiration case but you cant put 3l's (if thats all thats avalible) in an evo case.
Also for me the evo case is too small when sitting on the boat waiting to jump in...

Yes, but both of those issues are easily solved by the Travel-Frame...

4th December 2005, 23:00	#1 (permalink)
Dave Faye Know the wreck below? Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Megalodon Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 169	Inspiration or Evolution? I am torn between the Inspiration and Evolution. I travel a lot and plan to use the Rebreather on many of my recreational and tech dives over the next few years. I spend half my time diving in New England. It seems the larger canister and bottles on the Insp are an advantage for this type of diving. On the other hand, I travel 2-3 months per year to remote locations so the lighter, smaller Evo may be easier to travel with. Any thoughts on what unit would be better for me. I'm 6' and 190 lbs. Most of my non-recreational dives are in the 150-300' range. I'm going to go with the new vision electronics on the model I pick. Maybe the solution is an Insp and a sport kiss next year? All thoughts and impressions are appreciated.
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4th December 2005, 23:03	#2 (permalink)
Explorer I will teach you a..... Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 780	Re: Inspiration or Evolution? For travelling, go with the Evolution. Airlines are watching their baggage weight limits quite strictly now. __________________ 20 dwarves, 20 dwarves, 20 dwarves took turns doing handstands on the carpet
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5th December 2005, 02:22	#3 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,535	Inspiration and Travelweenie©. On this page you find pics and drawings of the Travelweenie©. The correct formula for calculating the advantages is: YBOD guts + Travelweenie© = weight < Evo < duration + versatilty __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!" Last edited by caveseeker7 : 5th December 2005 at 02:24.
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5th December 2005, 03:12	#4 (permalink)
diverklondike RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,699	Re: Inspiration or Evolution? Will the evo provide you with the scrubber duration that you are looking for when it comes to your tech dives??
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5th December 2005, 04:18	#5 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,095	Re: Inspiration or Evolution? Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Faye) I am torn between the Inspiration and Evolution. I travel a lot and plan to use the Rebreather on many of my recreational and tech dives over the next few years. I spend half my time diving in New England. It seems the larger canister and bottles on the Insp are an advantage for this type of diving. On the other hand, I travel 2-3 months per year to remote locations so the lighter, smaller Evo may be easier to travel with. Any thoughts on what unit would be better for me. I'm 6' and 190 lbs. Most of my non-recreational dives are in the 150-300' range. I'm going to go with the new vision electronics on the model I pick. Maybe the solution is an Insp and a sport kiss next year? All thoughts and impressions are appreciated. What duration are you looking out of the EVO.. I know on my tech dives, even the inspiration scrubber rated duration falls short, and I enter "guinea pig" territory.. The evo wouldn't cut it at all on my dives.... __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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5th December 2005, 07:16	#6 (permalink)
01RMB Evolving Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 193	Re: Inspiration or Evolution? Without this becoming an arguement on pushing the duration of a scrubber or the merits of using the temp stik I have found the Evo to be a good unit. I did two 75m dives each with 30min bottom time and total run time of 125 minutes in 17 degree celcius water over the weekend on a single scrubber fill of Sofnolime 8-12 (797). In the Java Sea in 30 degree celcius water I was doing three 60-70 metre dives of similar bottom times and run times of between 90 to 120 minutes each on a single fill of 4-8 Sodasorb scrubber. On none of these series of dives has the temp stik been close to showing the sorb has been close to expiring. There is more than enough onboard gas to do the dives and whilst you could do two dives on the same trimix and oxygen fill I prefered to have it topped up between dives to give some headroom. The scrubber monitor provides a good indication of the remaining life of the scrubber and has shown that the Evo is quite capable of reasonable technical dives. Cheers Rod Last edited by 01RMB : 5th December 2005 at 08:43.
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5th December 2005, 07:24	#7 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Inspiration or Evolution? Quote: (Originally Posted by 01RMB) Without this becoming an arguement on pushing the duration of a scrubber or the merits of using the temp stik I have found the Evo to be a good unit. I did two 75m dives each with 30min bottom time and total run time of 125 minutes in 17 degree celcius water over the weekend on a single scrubber fill of Sofnolime 8-12 (797). Just one more reference point for the Evo duration... 1 x 60m 1 x 72m 2 x 20m -------- 5 hours total (22-26C) No current, no long-duration heavy work on the dives. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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5th December 2005, 08:07	#8 (permalink)
CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 333	Re: Inspiration or Evolution? Just like not liking to run my tanks dry I would prefer to have a little extra in reserve when it come to CO2 absorbant, just in case I need to do more deco than planned (because there was a problem not becuase I decided to stay longer ). For that reason having a 3 hour scrubber on a 2 hour dive makes more sense to me. I am sure people will argue that the tempstick does the same job as the extra sorb. I would prefer the Inspo. and travel frame, as caveseeker7 said, if the travelweenie frame can go as hand luggage (and gets through the X ray machine) it would be manna from heaven. Either rig is a good buy, new software is cool and the after market service is a big plus. Fil
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5th December 2005, 16:09	#9 (permalink)
dave t RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 659	Re: Inspiration or Evolution? if you travel, more dive centres carry 3l's than 2l's you can put 2l tanks in an inspiration case but you cant put 3l's (if thats all thats avalible) in an evo case. Also for me the evo case is too small when sitting on the boat waiting to jump in, the inspiration sits on the bench behind me keeping the weight off my (weak) back the evo dont!!
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5th December 2005, 20:59	#10 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Inspiration or Evolution? Quote: (Originally Posted by dave t) ...more dive centres carry 3l's than 2l's you can put 2l tanks in an inspiration case but you cant put 3l's (if thats all thats avalible) in an evo case. Also for me the evo case is too small when sitting on the boat waiting to jump in... Yes, but both of those issues are easily solved by the Travel-Frame... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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