Inspiration or Evolution?

decoweenie · 8th December 2005, 06:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by nitrojunkie)

As for a travel frame.... how about one that is really designed to travel, fit my tiny evo scrubber, NOT built for the bigger insp/hh combo, that's wasted space and weight. I liked the idea of a collapsible frame to give it back height when in use - ultra small for traveling but it shouldn't be longer than the current evo box when collapsed, maybe even shorter... I would buy that.

Such a design is in the plan, but there are some considerations:

The cost will be more for collapsible frame due to the amount of parts and complication in manufacturing.
There must have sufficient number of people willing to buy it to make it financially feasible to manufacture.
I understand the point of making it smaller to pack, but that in reality only save about 4-inch from the current frame design since we need room at the top to protect the hoses from being crunched while packed for travel.
The length of the standard Evolution is too short to be comfortable on most people's back, esepcially sitting on the boat under load waiting to be drop off.
The idea is also to use 3L tanks rented from the destination, so if the frame is too short, the tanks will stick out awkwardly.
The current travel frame is already lighter than the current Evo case.

Having said all that, we still have plan to make different versions of the frames but only if everything make sense.

nitrojunkie · 9th December 2005, 05:21

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Such a design is in the plan, but there are some considerations:

The cost will be more for collapsible frame due to the amount of parts and complication in manufacturing.
There must have sufficient number of people willing to buy it to make it financially feasible to manufacture.
I understand the point of making it smaller to pack, but that in reality only save about 4-inch from the current frame design since we need room at the top to protect the hoses from being crunched while packed for travel.
The length of the standard Evolution is too short to be comfortable on most people's back, esepcially sitting on the boat under load waiting to be drop off.
The idea is also to use 3L tanks rented from the destination, so if the frame is too short, the tanks will stick out awkwardly.
The current travel frame is already lighter than the current Evo case.

Having said all that, we still have plan to make different versions of the frames but only if everything make sense.

1. Costs???...we are diving rebreathers....not sure we are the MOST cost conscious...I won't even reference your collection.

2. I understand the financially feasible, it is hopefully more affordable the more you can have made, perhaps it could be optimized for both scrubbers. It could save its own cost in just a few trips if it shaves a few lbs. off the current weigth since the new weight restrictions for flying.

3. 4" smaller is better. I didn't buy the current travel design for the length alone, I think it needs to be the same or less in length than the current APD rig.

4. In the water the current evo case is fine; fully rigged and on the surface it is short, trying to sit with the unit on is a little dificult, the adjustable evo travel frame would truly be an increased benefit.

5. Tanks will stick out like 3l on a meg??? not a big deal, protects the hoses and scrubber. If you are going to go "open case" it is really a moot point.

6. The lighter the better. I use a Stormcase 2750 to pack my evo which is a total weight of 56lbs without cylinders in the roller case, which was great before the change in travel weights, but currently is "overweight" both for domestic and international travel.

If you create a well designed frame that is an improvement over the current APD case I'm sure you'll sell a bunch. Maybe it could even be built off of a backplate and really solve all of the issues on the evo design.

8th December 2005, 06:15	#31 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Inspiration or Evolution? Quote: (Originally Posted by nitrojunkie) As for a travel frame.... how about one that is really designed to travel, fit my tiny evo scrubber, NOT built for the bigger insp/hh combo, that's wasted space and weight. I liked the idea of a collapsible frame to give it back height when in use - ultra small for traveling but it shouldn't be longer than the current evo box when collapsed, maybe even shorter... I would buy that. Such a design is in the plan, but there are some considerations: The cost will be more for collapsible frame due to the amount of parts and complication in manufacturing. There must have sufficient number of people willing to buy it to make it financially feasible to manufacture. I understand the point of making it smaller to pack, but that in reality only save about 4-inch from the current frame design since we need room at the top to protect the hoses from being crunched while packed for travel. The length of the standard Evolution is too short to be comfortable on most people's back, esepcially sitting on the boat under load waiting to be drop off. The idea is also to use 3L tanks rented from the destination, so if the frame is too short, the tanks will stick out awkwardly. The current travel frame is already lighter than the current Evo case. Having said all that, we still have plan to make different versions of the frames but only if everything make sense. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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9th December 2005, 05:21	#32 (permalink)
nitrojunkie New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 58	Re: Inspiration or Evolution? Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Such a design is in the plan, but there are some considerations: The cost will be more for collapsible frame due to the amount of parts and complication in manufacturing. There must have sufficient number of people willing to buy it to make it financially feasible to manufacture. I understand the point of making it smaller to pack, but that in reality only save about 4-inch from the current frame design since we need room at the top to protect the hoses from being crunched while packed for travel. The length of the standard Evolution is too short to be comfortable on most people's back, esepcially sitting on the boat under load waiting to be drop off. The idea is also to use 3L tanks rented from the destination, so if the frame is too short, the tanks will stick out awkwardly. The current travel frame is already lighter than the current Evo case. Having said all that, we still have plan to make different versions of the frames but only if everything make sense. 1. Costs???...we are diving rebreathers....not sure we are the MOST cost conscious...I won't even reference your collection. 2. I understand the financially feasible, it is hopefully more affordable the more you can have made, perhaps it could be optimized for both scrubbers. It could save its own cost in just a few trips if it shaves a few lbs. off the current weigth since the new weight restrictions for flying. 3. 4" smaller is better. I didn't buy the current travel design for the length alone, I think it needs to be the same or less in length than the current APD rig. 4. In the water the current evo case is fine; fully rigged and on the surface it is short, trying to sit with the unit on is a little dificult, the adjustable evo travel frame would truly be an increased benefit. 5. Tanks will stick out like 3l on a meg??? not a big deal, protects the hoses and scrubber. If you are going to go "open case" it is really a moot point. 6. The lighter the better. I use a Stormcase 2750 to pack my evo which is a total weight of 56lbs without cylinders in the roller case, which was great before the change in travel weights, but currently is "overweight" both for domestic and international travel. If you create a well designed frame that is an improvement over the current APD case I'm sure you'll sell a bunch. Maybe it could even be built off of a backplate and really solve all of the issues on the evo design. __________________ www.TheDepthFinder.com
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