Check your ADV feed hoses!!!

**Dave Sutton** · 14th August 2008, 10:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by Beanie)

We are talking about the hose issue here nothing else and as far as we know this is isolated to a few hoses. If every unit leaving the factory had this problem then it would be a much bigger problem.
Given that the units were sold in April and they've only just fail in August after 4 months that's not bad for a hose that isn't finished.

PS nobody has been proven to have died as a direct result of battery bounce. (to my knowledge)

Post read with coffee in mouth, sadly, as laughter caused spewing and need to clean screen....

Are you ****ing kidding? No... don't answer that: Sadly you're not.

Sutton

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brockbr · 14th August 2008, 12:23

The pic...

UKSteve · 14th August 2008, 14:50

******* Subsequent Posting indicates the coments below are wrong.. left them in as they are referenced by others - will stick to drilling holes in the ground :-) *****

Looking at the pictures a bit closer I'm wondering if this isn't a new fitting rather than simply being an old style fitting that hasnt been crimped.

Without seeing the fitting from the other end I cant be sure but the sleeve looks a lot beefier than the stainless plate used for the compression fit.

The fact that the sleeve is still on the hose would suggest it is similar to APDs screw fit hose ends in that there is a coarse thread inside the sleeve that engages the outside of the hose.

Anyone with a failed one care to confirm?

Steve

Scubascooby · 14th August 2008, 17:29

Interesting idea. Wouldn't it have a hex fitting if it was screwed on ?

UKSteve · 14th August 2008, 17:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by Scubascooby)

Interesting idea. Wouldn't it have a hex fitting if it was screwed on ?

Yes.. that was my concern too. it just looks too solid to be a crimping sleeve. The end does not look line the one on the other picture either.. with the champhered shoulder...

Interested to hear what the owners say

Steve

taza · 14th August 2008, 18:07

Trust me this should be a crimped fitting,the other end which screws into the manifold is of the manual type where they have two hex heads that you use two spanners to tighten the fitting.

http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l...ADVHOSE003.jpg

As soon as I e-mailed AP they told me to send it straight back to them and that they would send me a new hose.

The new hose arrived Tuesday by special delivery.

I have 20 dives on the unit some 45mtr dives, good job I carry bail out.

Taza

UKSteve · 14th August 2008, 18:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by taza)

Trust me this should be a crimped fitting,the other end which screws into the manifold is of the manual type where they have two hex heads that you use two spanners to tighten the fitting.

OK thanks for that.. have corrected my earlier post to reflect your comments. ALWAYS carry bailout :-) Dive Safe

Steve

Andy M · 14th August 2008, 20:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by taza)

The end that screws into the manifold is non crimped, but the ADV end should be crimped.
I have just removed the hose from my unit and lightly pulled on the hose and it just came apart in my hand.

I see you are in the UK. Have you reported AP to the HSE for selling defective life support equipment? I recommend you do so.

Their QC needs to be investigated as a matter of urgency... Someone with an uncrimped feed hose could die.

***Beanie*** · 15th August 2008, 16:32

AP hose recall notice:
http://www.apdiving.com/company/apd_...ice_150808.pdf

janhalo · 18th August 2008, 08:39

I have not been to the factory, I don't think I need to. If I under go a surgery, I never visit the factory that manufactures the hospital equpment either.

Why on earth would I need to know the MD and dive with the staff to be able to appreciate some defects that threaten my life and should have been picked up by quality control??

I simply do not get the posts by Beanie, unless he's paid by AP. Out of the new units sold to Finland, it seems that more than half have the same problem. To me that's an indication of a larget problem than "a few hoses," which already is too much.

And further on Beanies comments: If a unit is sold with a severe defect and it blows only in August... how does this make it a lesser problem??? Is it semi ok in September and fine in Dec?? You can fit a set of tires on a race car and and leave the bolts untightened. Everything might go smoothly for a few rounds, but sooner or later the tire will break loose and then it's only a question where and when. No timing was favorable, in predive checks rather than e.g at 70m at Fu Shan Hai.

I have to say, I've been happy with the unit and AP service this far. That's why this seems so supricing to me. Both from QC and customer care points of view.

janne

Quote: (Originally Posted by Beanie)

Have you been to the factory?
Have you dived with the staff and MD?
How much AP kit have you had?

We are talking about the hose issue here nothing else and as far as we know this is isolated to a few hoses. If every unit leaving the factory had this problem then it would be a much bigger problem.
Given that the units were sold in April and they've only just fail in August after 4 months that's not bad for a hose that isn't finished.

PS nobody has been proven to have died as a direct result of battery bounce. (to my knowledge)

14th August 2008, 10:54	#21 (permalink)
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UKSteve Steve Collard Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Weymouth, UK Posts: 601	Re: Check your ADV feed hoses!!! ***** Subsequent Posting indicates the coments below are wrong.. left them in as they are referenced by others - will stick to drilling holes in the ground :-) *** Looking at the pictures a bit closer I'm wondering if this isn't a new fitting rather than simply being an old style fitting that hasnt been crimped. Without seeing the fitting from the other end I cant be sure but the sleeve looks a lot beefier than the stainless plate used for the compression fit. The fact that the sleeve is still on the hose would suggest it is similar to APDs screw fit hose ends in that there is a coarse thread inside the sleeve that engages the outside of the hose. Anyone with a failed one care to confirm? Steve Last edited by UKSteve : 14th August 2008 at 18:11. Reason: Added note at top reflecting clarification from Taza
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UKSteve Steve Collard Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Weymouth, UK Posts: 601	Re: Check your ADV feed hoses!!! Quote: (Originally Posted by Scubascooby) Interesting idea. Wouldn't it have a hex fitting if it was screwed on ? Yes.. that was my concern too. it just looks too solid to be a crimping sleeve. The end does not look line the one on the other picture either.. with the champhered shoulder... Interested to hear what the owners say Steve
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taza New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Warrington UK Posts: 87	Re: Check your ADV feed hoses!!! Trust me this should be a crimped fitting,the other end which screws into the manifold is of the manual type where they have two hex heads that you use two spanners to tighten the fitting. http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l...ADVHOSE003.jpg As soon as I e-mailed AP they told me to send it straight back to them and that they would send me a new hose. The new hose arrived Tuesday by special delivery. I have 20 dives on the unit some 45mtr dives, good job I carry bail out. Taza
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UKSteve Steve Collard Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Weymouth, UK Posts: 601	Re: Check your ADV feed hoses!!! Quote: (Originally Posted by taza) Trust me this should be a crimped fitting,the other end which screws into the manifold is of the manual type where they have two hex heads that you use two spanners to tighten the fitting. OK thanks for that.. have corrected my earlier post to reflect your comments. ALWAYS carry bailout :-) Dive Safe Steve
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18th August 2008, 08:39	#30 (permalink)
janhalo New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 3	Re: Check your ADV feed hoses!!! I have not been to the factory, I don't think I need to. If I under go a surgery, I never visit the factory that manufactures the hospital equpment either. Why on earth would I need to know the MD and dive with the staff to be able to appreciate some defects that threaten my life and should have been picked up by quality control?? I simply do not get the posts by Beanie, unless he's paid by AP. Out of the new units sold to Finland, it seems that more than half have the same problem. To me that's an indication of a larget problem than "a few hoses," which already is too much. And further on Beanies comments: If a unit is sold with a severe defect and it blows only in August... how does this make it a lesser problem??? Is it semi ok in September and fine in Dec?? You can fit a set of tires on a race car and and leave the bolts untightened. Everything might go smoothly for a few rounds, but sooner or later the tire will break loose and then it's only a question where and when. No timing was favorable, in predive checks rather than e.g at 70m at Fu Shan Hai. I have to say, I've been happy with the unit and AP service this far. That's why this seems so supricing to me. Both from QC and customer care points of view. janne Quote: (Originally Posted by Beanie) Have you been to the factory? Have you dived with the staff and MD? How much AP kit have you had? We are talking about the hose issue here nothing else and as far as we know this is isolated to a few hoses. If every unit leaving the factory had this problem then it would be a much bigger problem. Given that the units were sold in April and they've only just fail in August after 4 months that's not bad for a hose that isn't finished. PS nobody has been proven to have died as a direct result of battery bounce. (to my knowledge)
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