Travel frame for Inspiration and Evolution

PCDiver · 24th November 2005, 06:43

Would it be possible to mount tanks with the valves up? I found out that really improved the trim a lot. No need to put extra weights at the top.

decoweenie · 24th November 2005, 06:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver)

Would it be possible to mount tanks with the valves up?

That would depend on the type of tank and valve used.

There is open space inside the frame above the lid for routing the hoses, etc. So it might be possible to have adequate room for the regs. But it was not designed as such.

Of course if you use 90-deg tank valves instead of the standard APV 180-deg tank valves, then the regs could be outside of the frame.

I don't have any frame here to test it out for you. Sorry...

CCR900 · 24th November 2005, 07:54

With all dues to Phi, the travel box is similar in design (but of course lighter than) the DT box. If the design were to follow similar dimensions a set of ali 7's works with the flat base seated on the ground and valves seat just behind your head. Disadvantage is you look like a B52. For smaller tanks they would need to ride high.

Cheap excuse to show my face but this might help.

decoweenie · 24th November 2005, 09:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900)

With all dues to Phi, the travel box is similar in design (but of course lighter than) the DT box.

Who do you think is our Chief Designer and Crash Test Dummy ?

Quote:

Disadvantage is you look like a B52.

Also... Your picture looks like the regs are actually on the "outside" instead of "inside" (between valve and diver) like twinset ?

If correct, the hoses are exposed to contact when diving in tight environment. As well as the regs...

CCR900 · 24th November 2005, 09:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Also... Your picture looks like the regs are actually on the "outside" instead of "inside" (between valve and diver) like twinset ?

If correct, the hoses are exposed to contact when diving in tight environment. As well as the regs...

On this occasion the tanks were borrowed so "I made do". Home tanks use APD valves so 1st stage point in and hoses go straight down (less one regulator hoses that goes over the shoulder).

decoweenie · 24th November 2005, 09:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900)

Home tanks use APD valves so 1st stage point in and hoses go straight down (less one regulator hoses that goes over the shoulder).

Got you!

As most people already knew that I am a fan of upright tanks anyway. So I will experiment with different tanks when my frames are done.

jhaaja · 24th November 2005, 09:52

What does the production and shipment schedule look like now?

Would be nice to get the frame well in advance of my trip to Red Sea in late January.

JH
Finland

CaveStainz · 24th November 2005, 11:26

I think its a great idea Phi. I just got back from Florida, and Delta Airlines have imposed a 23Kg limit per item of checked luggage. My regular Inspo, backplate, empty scrubber and one 3L came to over that - but a $25 bribe each way per item lets you carry more up to 32kg. I assume it was a bribe because the lady winked at me ;-)

In all seriousness, I can't see that I'll be able to travel in the future without a lighter box as volumes and weights are decreasing across the travel industry in order to become more price competitive and use less fuel.

I would like to see the frame protected all round, even using thin PVC sheet to prevent the usual grit and wreck/cave mess from getting anywhere near the hose seals/head. Tin foil might work, but i'd look like a space man

Take care Phi,

SteveW

decoweenie · 24th November 2005, 12:31

Here is a frame just off the production line.

It will be tested by our Chief Crash Test Dummy for fit, ergonamic and functionality in the next few days.

If all go well, we should be ready to crank out the remaining units and ship them by the end of the month.

Just a quick head-up... I will be posting the offer to the Inspiration List very soon, so if you are still sitting on the fence, the unclaimed frames might be gone soon...

CCR900 · 24th November 2005, 14:17

Phi . Please keep it pure SS , do not paint it.....

f

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PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,003	Re: Travel frame for Inspiration and Evolution Would it be possible to mount tanks with the valves up? I found out that really improved the trim a lot. No need to put extra weights at the top.
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24th November 2005, 06:54	#52 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Travel frame for Inspiration and Evolution Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver) Would it be possible to mount tanks with the valves up? That would depend on the type of tank and valve used. There is open space inside the frame above the lid for routing the hoses, etc. So it might be possible to have adequate room for the regs. But it was not designed as such. Of course if you use 90-deg tank valves instead of the standard APV 180-deg tank valves, then the regs could be outside of the frame. I don't have any frame here to test it out for you. Sorry... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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24th November 2005, 07:54	#53 (permalink)
CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 333	Re: Travel frame for Inspiration and Evolution With all dues to Phi, the travel box is similar in design (but of course lighter than) the DT box. If the design were to follow similar dimensions a set of ali 7's works with the flat base seated on the ground and valves seat just behind your head. Disadvantage is you look like a B52. For smaller tanks they would need to ride high. Cheap excuse to show my face but this might help.
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24th November 2005, 09:01	#54 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Travel frame for Inspiration and Evolution Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900) With all dues to Phi, the travel box is similar in design (but of course lighter than) the DT box. Who do you think is our Chief Designer and Crash Test Dummy ? Quote: Disadvantage is you look like a B52. Also... Your picture looks like the regs are actually on the "outside" instead of "inside" (between valve and diver) like twinset ? If correct, the hoses are exposed to contact when diving in tight environment. As well as the regs... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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24th November 2005, 09:14	#55 (permalink)
CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 333	Re: Travel frame for Inspiration and Evolution Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Also... Your picture looks like the regs are actually on the "outside" instead of "inside" (between valve and diver) like twinset ? If correct, the hoses are exposed to contact when diving in tight environment. As well as the regs... On this occasion the tanks were borrowed so "I made do". Home tanks use APD valves so 1st stage point in and hoses go straight down (less one regulator hoses that goes over the shoulder).
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24th November 2005, 09:30	#56 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Travel frame for Inspiration and Evolution Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900) Home tanks use APD valves so 1st stage point in and hoses go straight down (less one regulator hoses that goes over the shoulder). Got you! As most people already knew that I am a fan of upright tanks anyway. So I will experiment with different tanks when my frames are done. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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24th November 2005, 09:52	#57 (permalink)
jhaaja Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 885	Re: Travel frame for Inspiration and Evolution What does the production and shipment schedule look like now? Would be nice to get the frame well in advance of my trip to Red Sea in late January. JH Finland
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24th November 2005, 11:26	#58 (permalink)
CaveStainz New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK, Kingston, Surrey Posts: 14	Re: Travel frame for Inspiration and Evolution I think its a great idea Phi. I just got back from Florida, and Delta Airlines have imposed a 23Kg limit per item of checked luggage. My regular Inspo, backplate, empty scrubber and one 3L came to over that - but a $25 bribe each way per item lets you carry more up to 32kg. I assume it was a bribe because the lady winked at me ;-) In all seriousness, I can't see that I'll be able to travel in the future without a lighter box as volumes and weights are decreasing across the travel industry in order to become more price competitive and use less fuel. I would like to see the frame protected all round, even using thin PVC sheet to prevent the usual grit and wreck/cave mess from getting anywhere near the hose seals/head. Tin foil might work, but i'd look like a space man Take care Phi, SteveW __________________ Steve Walker
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CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 333	Re: Travel frame for Inspiration and Evolution Phi . Please keep it pure SS , do not paint it..... f
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