Inspiration and Evo 3 cell backup system.

Def · 8th April 2008, 01:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver)

BTW. I did some research on the price on the individual components used and based in that price only it is expensive. However if you include the time for the testing, gold plating and sealing, the price is certainly not extravagant. Especially with the high labour costs in Europe.

If they had taken some time to explain what was involved this discussion could have been avoided.

Pull your head in .. your making yourself look like a fool.

<---- You.

cramerdn · 23rd April 2008, 22:24

Got mine in the mail today. Looks like good gear. I'm hoping to get it all wired up this weekend.

Gobfish1 · 24th April 2008, 00:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by cramerdn)

Got mine in the mail today. Looks like good gear. I'm hoping to get it all wired up this weekend.

let us know how you get on ,, i shoud have mine in about 6 week s
and the sun should be out by then so i may take it diving ,,,

**Gill Envy** · 24th April 2008, 01:42

looks like an excellent trip saver/sanity glance solution! Perhaps you've fixed the Achilles heel of the vision, guys well done! and oh if only I had one of those adapters and a pursuits a year ago...I just might not be boring everyone with my new found love affair with manual rebreathers

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as for the price, assuming it's reliable, it's peanuts compared to what it could save you on a trip if you "loose your vision"...

Now if you could just add that mass flow orifice in a pinch...how cool would that be!

Brainx3 · 24th April 2008, 04:43

Hi,

I think that it's a very nice solution for those who would like to have 2 handsets in their units (I know I do). Although I cannot really see a true redundancy in this since the handset is connected to the same Oxygen cells in the unit. I currently have my VR3 connected to a 4th cell in my unit which I think it offers also a good solution. If the size of the handset is as small as the VR3's then it would be more attractive as personally I try to avoid extra bulky instruments, and to have true redundancy then you would need to 3 extra cells to connect the handset to in case if 1 or more primary cells failed.

Best Regards. Wael

cramerdn · 24th April 2008, 05:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by Brainx3)

I think that it's a very nice solution for those who would like to have 2 handsets in their units (I know I do).

I have no interest in a second handset (actually third since the vission already has two sepearte controlers). I use the Shearwater as a backup computer for deco only. Don't want another controller.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Brainx3)

Although I cannot really see a true redundancy in this since the handset is connected to the same Oxygen cells in the unit. I currently have my VR3 connected to a 4th cell in my unit which I think it offers also a good solution.

Naw this is better. Monitoring three cells is better than just one. I am almost tempted to use the fourth hole for an extra cell and have the shearwater monitor two of the same and one different cell. Plus any solution that includes a VR3 is not much of a solution IMHO.

diverrob · 24th April 2008, 05:31

I am sooooooo close to doing this it is not funny. I would like some feed back from the current owners first

I am about to place my order for a Pursuit and I am sure that it will be followed by adding the 3 cell monitoring as well. I just see this as all good

Rob

Brainx3 · 24th April 2008, 06:38

Hi,

Cramerdn, I didn't use the word controller in my post as I was specifying "Handset" (in which would display numeric PPO2). Still, true redundancy would be having 3 extra cells connected to the 2nd handset as any of the primary 3 cells can fail and then whether you have 1 handset or 10 connected to the cells then you will get the same error on all.

Best Regards. Wael

divetheworld · 24th April 2008, 07:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by Brainx3)

Hi,

I think that it's a very nice solution for those who would like to have 2 handsets in their units (I know I do). Although I cannot really see a true redundancy in this since the handset is connected to the same Oxygen cells in the unit. I currently have my VR3 connected to a 4th cell in my unit which I think it offers also a good solution. If the size of the handset is as small as the VR3's then it would be more attractive as personally I try to avoid extra bulky instruments, and to have true redundancy then you would need to 3 extra cells to connect the handset to in case if 1 or more primary cells failed.

Best Regards. Wael

Hi Wael,

There are a number of configurations you can choose because you get a 4th cell holder in the kit. Our first customer has his vision on cells 1,2 & 3 and the Pursuit on 2, 3 & 4. If you only connect the pursuit to the 4th cell and make that connection to cell 2 input on your Pursuit, it will blank cells 1 & 3 on the screen and display only the single cell input like a VR3 does.
If you put extra cell in, you need to maintain and replace them. We like to give you the choice of how you implement your redundant system because everyone is different. And we appreciate that there is no right or wrong way to provide redundancy, so if the customer wants it his way because he is comfortable with it, then we will strive to supply it.
Cramer is right, the Vision has two controller built in, but one display. If the display is lost then you lose deco but the setpoint controllers continue to operate (if there are no other failures), our system gives you that critical backup. Remeber the HUD for the vision is not independant, it is run from the setpoint controllers. If the SPC's fail then you lose that aswell.

Brent

Brainx3 · 24th April 2008, 09:52

Hi,

Thanks for the info Brent. However, again I say, I never mentioned anything regarding controllers. What this backup system is offering is a simple monitoring instrument with built-in deco software. I realize that it can be configured to monitor different cells, but my point is that since cells can fail (sometimes without any notice) then connecting the extra handset to the same cells won't be much of a good for the diver.

If my Vision electronics failed then the backup handset only can be used in this case to monitor the same primary cells and show deco information and I would still need to run the unit manually. If you want true redundancy to monitor PPO2 then I personally would install another 3 cells and connect the extra handset to them, because then if anything happened to my primary electronics or the primary cells then I have another set that I can rely on.

If you want true redundancy for controllers, then the extra handset should have extra feature to control the solenoid and that feature can be set from a passive to active when needed in order to have extra controller that would back up your electronics in case the primary electronics failed.

Best Regards. Wael

8th April 2008, 01:52	#61 (permalink)
Def New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 83	Re: Inspiration and Evo 3 cell backup system. Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver) BTW. I did some research on the price on the individual components used and based in that price only it is expensive. However if you include the time for the testing, gold plating and sealing, the price is certainly not extravagant. Especially with the high labour costs in Europe. If they had taken some time to explain what was involved this discussion could have been avoided. Pull your head in .. your making yourself look like a fool. <---- You.
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23rd April 2008, 22:24	#62 (permalink)
cramerdn Obey my dog! Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Townsville QLD Posts: 626	Re: Inspiration and Evo 3 cell backup system. Got mine in the mail today. Looks like good gear. I'm hoping to get it all wired up this weekend. __________________ "Its better to live one day as a tiger than an entire life as a worm." "But who's ever heard of a worm skin rug?"
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Gobfish1 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 363	Re: Inspiration and Evo 3 cell backup system. Quote: (Originally Posted by cramerdn) Got mine in the mail today. Looks like good gear. I'm hoping to get it all wired up this weekend. let us know how you get on ,, i shoud have mine in about 6 week s and the sun should be out by then so i may take it diving ,,, __________________ Steve G Apparently not the only gay diver in the village http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/o...nzee-glock.gif http://www.scubatunes.com/audio/vol01/mp3/HiTech.mp3
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24th April 2008, 01:42	#64 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Divers Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,317	Re: Inspiration and Evo 3 cell backup system. looks like an excellent trip saver/sanity glance solution! Perhaps you've fixed the Achilles heel of the vision, guys well done! and oh if only I had one of those adapters and a pursuits a year ago...I just might not be boring everyone with my new found love affair with manual rebreathers. as for the price, assuming it's reliable, it's peanuts compared to what it could save you on a trip if you "loose your vision"... Now if you could just add that mass flow orifice in a pinch...how cool would that be! __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
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24th April 2008, 04:43	#65 (permalink)
Brainx3 Totally Submerged Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: International Waters Posts: 292	Re: Inspiration and Evo 3 cell backup system. Hi, I think that it's a very nice solution for those who would like to have 2 handsets in their units (I know I do). Although I cannot really see a true redundancy in this since the handset is connected to the same Oxygen cells in the unit. I currently have my VR3 connected to a 4th cell in my unit which I think it offers also a good solution. If the size of the handset is as small as the VR3's then it would be more attractive as personally I try to avoid extra bulky instruments, and to have true redundancy then you would need to 3 extra cells to connect the handset to in case if 1 or more primary cells failed. Best Regards. Wael __________________ The depth of life cannot be measured in Bars, nor can the sea of lies, that lies within. Sooner or later I'll be cracking your market and end your game. *I don't take crap for an answer...*
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24th April 2008, 05:29	#66 (permalink)
cramerdn Obey my dog! Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Townsville QLD Posts: 626	Re: Inspiration and Evo 3 cell backup system. Quote: (Originally Posted by Brainx3) I think that it's a very nice solution for those who would like to have 2 handsets in their units (I know I do). I have no interest in a second handset (actually third since the vission already has two sepearte controlers). I use the Shearwater as a backup computer for deco only. Don't want another controller. Quote: (Originally Posted by Brainx3) Although I cannot really see a true redundancy in this since the handset is connected to the same Oxygen cells in the unit. I currently have my VR3 connected to a 4th cell in my unit which I think it offers also a good solution. Naw this is better. Monitoring three cells is better than just one. I am almost tempted to use the fourth hole for an extra cell and have the shearwater monitor two of the same and one different cell. Plus any solution that includes a VR3 is not much of a solution IMHO. __________________ "Its better to live one day as a tiger than an entire life as a worm." "But who's ever heard of a worm skin rug?"
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24th April 2008, 05:31	#67 (permalink)
diverrob The Evolution of Diving Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Victoria BC Canada Posts: 336	Re: Inspiration and Evo 3 cell backup system. I am sooooooo close to doing this it is not funny. I would like some feed back from the current owners first I am about to place my order for a Pursuit and I am sure that it will be followed by adding the 3 cell monitoring as well. I just see this as all good Rob
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24th April 2008, 06:38	#68 (permalink)
Brainx3 Totally Submerged Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: International Waters Posts: 292	Re: Inspiration and Evo 3 cell backup system. Hi, Cramerdn, I didn't use the word controller in my post as I was specifying "Handset" (in which would display numeric PPO2). Still, true redundancy would be having 3 extra cells connected to the 2nd handset as any of the primary 3 cells can fail and then whether you have 1 handset or 10 connected to the cells then you will get the same error on all. Best Regards. Wael __________________ The depth of life cannot be measured in Bars, nor can the sea of lies, that lies within. Sooner or later I'll be cracking your market and end your game. *I don't take crap for an answer...*
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24th April 2008, 07:39	#69 (permalink)
divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,586	Re: Inspiration and Evo 3 cell backup system. Quote: (Originally Posted by Brainx3) Hi, I think that it's a very nice solution for those who would like to have 2 handsets in their units (I know I do). Although I cannot really see a true redundancy in this since the handset is connected to the same Oxygen cells in the unit. I currently have my VR3 connected to a 4th cell in my unit which I think it offers also a good solution. If the size of the handset is as small as the VR3's then it would be more attractive as personally I try to avoid extra bulky instruments, and to have true redundancy then you would need to 3 extra cells to connect the handset to in case if 1 or more primary cells failed. Best Regards. Wael Hi Wael, There are a number of configurations you can choose because you get a 4th cell holder in the kit. Our first customer has his vision on cells 1,2 & 3 and the Pursuit on 2, 3 & 4. If you only connect the pursuit to the 4th cell and make that connection to cell 2 input on your Pursuit, it will blank cells 1 & 3 on the screen and display only the single cell input like a VR3 does. If you put extra cell in, you need to maintain and replace them. We like to give you the choice of how you implement your redundant system because everyone is different. And we appreciate that there is no right or wrong way to provide redundancy, so if the customer wants it his way because he is comfortable with it, then we will strive to supply it. Cramer is right, the Vision has two controller built in, but one display. If the display is lost then you lose deco but the setpoint controllers continue to operate (if there are no other failures), our system gives you that critical backup. Remeber the HUD for the vision is not independant, it is run from the setpoint controllers. If the SPC's fail then you lose that aswell. Brent __________________ Attitude and self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe Last edited by divetheworld : 24th April 2008 at 08:29.
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24th April 2008, 09:52	#70 (permalink)
Brainx3 Totally Submerged Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: International Waters Posts: 292	Re: Inspiration and Evo 3 cell backup system. Hi, Thanks for the info Brent. However, again I say, I never mentioned anything regarding controllers. What this backup system is offering is a simple monitoring instrument with built-in deco software. I realize that it can be configured to monitor different cells, but my point is that since cells can fail (sometimes without any notice) then connecting the extra handset to the same cells won't be much of a good for the diver. If my Vision electronics failed then the backup handset only can be used in this case to monitor the same primary cells and show deco information and I would still need to run the unit manually. If you want true redundancy to monitor PPO2 then I personally would install another 3 cells and connect the extra handset to them, because then if anything happened to my primary electronics or the primary cells then I have another set that I can rely on. If you want true redundancy for controllers, then the extra handset should have extra feature to control the solenoid and that feature can be set from a passive to active when needed in order to have extra controller that would back up your electronics in case the primary electronics failed. Best Regards. Wael __________________ The depth of life cannot be measured in Bars, nor can the sea of lies, that lies within. Sooner or later I'll be cracking your market and end your game. *I don't take crap for an answer...*
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