New Evolution + Rebreather

Tino de Rijk

If you look purely at weight, you are right. You're of course also right in the SCR mode reasoning, but for me the Evo has always been either a non-deco unit (which still gives you a nice 45 minutes at 30 meter in that mode), or a carry-separate-bailout unit anyway.

however, I don't like the way many travelframes leave big parts of the system exposed (valves, stages, hoses). I like the yellow box to take the abuse in wrecks, caves, even on a boat etc.
But: that's personal opion, I can't fault your opinion.

As to "it only saves 5 kilo" and "you can get cylinders everywhere": with the airline criminals these days 5 kilo overweight will set you easily back 150 euro or more. Believe me, I found out the hard way while planning a CCR trip to Brunei this April. They have discovered it as a new source of income.
And as to " cylinders are everywhere": if only that was true....... Not in Brunei, for instance.

ciao,

Tino.

lbdiver21

I got an Evo 2 years ago & to be honest if the + was available then I would have gone for it & still might some time down the line when & if my scrubber becomes a limiting factor. What I don't understand is the comments from some people that the Inspiration can be dived with no bailout but not the Evo. I'd only do a shallow no deco on the Evo with no bailout but I'd only do the same on an inspiration as it's only got an extra 200-230 litres of dill & that's not going to go far. The two guys I dive with are on Inspo's & carry exactly the same bailout as me on every dive.

Derek

Depth-junkie

Does it really save you 5kg's??

I thought the weight saving between the inspo and evo was mainly down to differnce of weight between the 2ltr and 3ltr bottles and the extra 0.5kgs of scrubber. I would be very supprised if the weight difference between the 2 units with out bottles etc would be more than 2kgs.



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Gareth

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Gobfish1

only 230L yes, but if you add that to the 250L you would have left in you're
evo at the end of you're dive thats 480L to get my arse back to 6m and my 3L o2 with 450L in ,
a good 15/20 mis of gas ,,

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lbdiver21

Yeah I can see you have extra but if it goes bad 230l is only going to last 3-4 mins, now yes that's an age when you don't have something to breath but not a lot to have as a planned reserve, Just my opinion. I guess it's all down to pref by each diver I know people who are happy to dive units with no bailout to all depth's, pays you money takes your chance.

Weight wise I think it's now listed as 5kg diff as AP now fit their own 1st stages to the Inspo rather than Apex. From memory it used to be 31kg for the Inspo & 23kg for an Evo.

nigelh

That was me...
It's a matter of personal comfort zones.
Some people will Alpine it on deco dive but...

It's the second dive of a two dive boat ride I'd start to pull faces about. My 30/50 bar used translates to 50/70bar on 2L so I'm looking at coming out with, say 100 bar. My feel good factor would get a bit cracked at this point if something broke but I'm quite happy for others to call it differently.

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Tino de Rijk

Well, the case is also smaller, so lighter, it only has half a gas distribution bar, and the difference between a 2 and 3 liter is a bit more than 1 kilo. the difference between a normal Evo and Inspo is 5 kilo (see the specsheets). So assuming the lower part of a bigger empty scrubber versus the normal Evo is some 0,5 kilo, it should be some 4 kilo's lighter.
but let's just wait for the specs.

Tino de Rijk

Checked with nicky Finn, and my guess was spot on.
The Evo+ with medium harness/CL is 25.5 kilo, so 4 kilo's lighter than a similar Inspo, and 1 kilo heavier than an "normal" Evo.
If you add to it that it fits in a smaller travel box (assuming you use the APD-supplied travel box), you save another kilo there.
In today's rip-off rates from airlines this represents easily some 100-200 euros per trip in excess bagage. But as said earlier by various parties: there are even lighter, but more bare-bone alternatives. This is typically an alternative assuming you take cylinders with you as well.

ciao,

Tino.

rigdiver

Why not put some holes in the top of the case so 3L cylinders could stick up/out. Then you have the best of all worlds. Use whatever cylinders wherever you may be.

nitrojunkie

That would finally be a true plus. Then one could have counted on getting bottles is SOME places. This all seems kind of silly, other than seriously deep cave dives I can't really imagine the evo- is really that challenged. It would be nice to have the extra scrubber material for two deep dives a day but generally the evo scrubber is fine for everything most of us do. If you are doing TWO over 200'+ dives a day it could be better than changing out the scrubber between dives but most of do the two dives with the regular evo scrubber or just change it out in between the dives if they are really deep and if they are not we go for it. I generally have found that if anything it would be nice to have the choice of using a 3l cylinder depending upon dives and conditions. If it's two deep cold water dives I would rather have the larger scrubber than changing it out and if it was two deep warm water dives it would be great to have both 3l and a longer scrubber but i don't think the + makes that much of a difference to upgrade to without the flexibility of using both bottles. Generally you can easily do two relatively big dives on the 2l. If they are really big dives you have plenty of time to re-fill all your gear or switch it out during the surface, of course that time would be better spent sleeping. the biggest difference is travel weight for an inspiration chassis, the evo- should have originally been designed this way and the plus could have been a 3l dil with a 2l o2 and they really would have had a useful mix of unit options. Proud evo minus owner who rarely finds the form of the evo a limitation...as long as i have bailout. Doug