YBOD without wing

Mikel-Deko · 5th February 2008, 11:42

Hi
I've been playing with the idea of take off the wing of my inspi.
Always diving drysuit and i've medium couterlung.

Am i idiot or yes????

I've BMCL in my inspi and 22 litrs wing and i think that is not strimmed enaught...

I will try it this weekend (i'm going to have my scooter with me just in case...)

Thanks

Mikel

decoweenie · 5th February 2008, 11:55

If sh*t hits the fan and your scooter + YBOD decide to flood at the same time, will you have enough lift to surface ?

Of course, you could always drop your scooter, but will you still have adequate lift to compensate for lost of positive buoyancy of your flooded unit ?

IMHO, the wing doesn't create enough drag to compensate for the redundancy purpose (of the wing) if you use your drysuit as the buoyancy device. For me personally, I use the wing as the primary buoyancy device and dive the drysuit fairly tight.

**nigelh** · 5th February 2008, 12:22

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mikel-Deko)

Am i idiot????

I could go with that.

I've flooded a drysuit five times in the last few years.
OK this one wasn't quite like that but you get the idea.

Ok the incident with the zip was my fault, both of them, and the dump that dismantled itself was probably caused by trying to clamber through too small a hole but seam was an act of god and the mice were definitely enemy action.

Ben Field · 5th February 2008, 13:19

Not worth the hassle of trying it IMO, as Phi said using suit and wing together, as a bonus with the two buoyancy devices (suit & Wing) you can add or dump buoyancy much faster in an emergancy, as you have two inflator/two dump valves.

I misheard the skipper as I rolled off the boat once, thought he said 47mtrs but it was actually 37! Man did I hit the inflators fast when the bottom appeared out of the 1mtr viz!!!

Mikel-Deko · 5th February 2008, 16:18

I was thinking mostly in cave diving...

Thanks

Mikel

Mark Chase · 5th February 2008, 16:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mikel-Deko)

I was thinking mostly in cave diving...

Thanks

Mikel

In a big room (or what ever its called) id still want my wing apart from that i dont see muc issue but i also dont see much advantage.

ATB

Mark

decoweenie · 5th February 2008, 16:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mikel-Deko)

I was thinking mostly in cave diving...

... as in "walking" out if needed ?

5th February 2008, 11:42	#1 (permalink)
Mikel-Deko RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Basque Country -Sp- Posts: 476	YBOD without wing Hi I've been playing with the idea of take off the wing of my inspi. Always diving drysuit and i've medium couterlung. Am i idiot or yes???? I've BMCL in my inspi and 22 litrs wing and i think that is not strimmed enaught... I will try it this weekend (i'm going to have my scooter with me just in case...) Thanks Mikel __________________ Mikel-Deko Basque Country www.olatu.net "DIR is the nanny state for divers who cannot think on their own" Ron Micjan
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5th February 2008, 11:55	#2 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: YBOD without wing If sht hits the fan and your scooter + YBOD decide to flood at the same time, will you have enough lift to surface ? Of course, you could always drop your scooter, but will you still have adequate lift to compensate for lost of positive buoyancy of your flooded unit ? IMHO, the wing doesn't create enough drag to compensate for the redundancy purpose (of the wing) if you use your drysuit as the buoyancy device. For me personally, I use the wing as the primary buoyancy device and dive the drysuit fairly tight. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM* Last edited by decoweenie : 5th February 2008 at 12:33.
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5th February 2008, 12:22	#3 (permalink)
nigelh New member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brighton, Sussex, UK Posts: 883	Re: YBOD without wing Quote: (Originally Posted by Mikel-Deko) Am i idiot???? I could go with that. I've flooded a drysuit five times in the last few years. OK this one wasn't quite like that but you get the idea. Ok the incident with the zip was my fault, both of them, and the dump that dismantled itself was probably caused by trying to clamber through too small a hole but seam was an act of god and the mice were definitely enemy action. __________________ nigelh
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5th February 2008, 13:19	#4 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,780	Re: YBOD without wing Not worth the hassle of trying it IMO, as Phi said using suit and wing together, as a bonus with the two buoyancy devices (suit & Wing) you can add or dump buoyancy much faster in an emergancy, as you have two inflator/two dump valves. I misheard the skipper as I rolled off the boat once, thought he said 47mtrs but it was actually 37! Man did I hit the inflators fast when the bottom appeared out of the 1mtr viz!!! __________________ Know your PPO2, Pre-breath, Use checklists, Validate cells at 6mtrs, Use pure O2 at or near surface, Use a BOV, Don't dive Solo, Change Slime and Cells as recommended by Manufacturer and RTFM! www.hugsac.org.uk
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5th February 2008, 16:18	#5 (permalink)
Mikel-Deko RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Basque Country -Sp- Posts: 476	Re: YBOD without wing I was thinking mostly in cave diving... Thanks Mikel __________________ Mikel-Deko Basque Country www.olatu.net "DIR is the nanny state for divers who cannot think on their own" Ron Micjan
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5th February 2008, 16:24	#6 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,867	Re: YBOD without wing Quote: (Originally Posted by Mikel-Deko) I was thinking mostly in cave diving... Thanks Mikel In a big room (or what ever its called) id still want my wing apart from that i dont see muc issue but i also dont see much advantage. ATB Mark __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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5th February 2008, 16:26	#7 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: YBOD without wing Quote: (Originally Posted by Mikel-Deko) I was thinking mostly in cave diving... ... as in "walking" out if needed ? __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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