Replacement Wings for Inspo

scunick · 4th February 2008, 09:38

Stole an Oxycheq 70 off my old Twin 15l's and stuck it on a KiwiDiver frame. Works a charm!
Cheers

Nick

Claudio · 4th February 2008, 22:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

Ciao Claudio,

Give APD a call and they will sort you out with a local distributor or ship direct.

Cheers,

Dave.

Ciao Dave
Today I followed your advice and APD responded immediately. Ok.
But....I would like to know this: is the central area between the two floating wider than in 16 kg wings, that I already have? In other words: there is enough space to install an SS backplate?
Grazie
Claudio

**PhilSiswick** · 5th February 2008, 10:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by Claudio)

Ciao Dave
Today I followed your advice and APD responded immediately. Ok.
But....I would like to know this: is the central area between the two floating wider than in 16 kg wings, that I already have? In other words: there is enough space to install an SS backplate?
Grazie
Claudio

Mine works fine with an SS backplate, as do many others. I have heard that, if you have a very flat backplate, it can restrict the bladder between the case and the backplate. That would show up more than on OC, as the wing could inflate 'around' your twins before.

There are 'bone' plates out there that get around this problem, as they allow more expansion area for the wing.

Cheers,

Claudio · 8th February 2008, 19:55

Let me ask a question: Are the Buddy Red Wing of the AP Valves the same APD 22,5 kg Wings for inspo?

Mark Chase · 9th February 2008, 06:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by Doorduijn, Niels)

I can understand why you want to replace the harness (many people don't like them, some do), but I would not replace the standard wing. It really fits. As for another wing being bigger, why do you think that you need that? Which scenario do you have in mind where the large wing would be helpfull?

It would take quite some stages for a bigger wing being an issue from a weight point of view and if you need multiple stages, you can bet that some of them will be filled with trimix, so buoyancy wise that should not be a relevant factor.

If the unit would flood, you loOse maybe 5 kg worth of upwords buoyancy, so if you are not overweight, a normal APD 22 wing should get you to the surface, even if you loose some when used in connection with a backplate. You would perhaps not float high on the surface with the unit all filled with water, but I would think that being on the surface in such an unlikely event should be enough.

Rgs,
Niels

P.s. Something else to consider is whether you want an alu or a steel backplate. Depending on your overall configuration, using alu might make sense if this means shifting some unditcheable weight from your back to some ditcheable weights in front.

I replaced the AP Wing because it didnt lift me out of the water enough at the surface. During the dive it was fine no problem but with two 10ltr stages on at the end of the dive it wouldent lift my head clear enough to spit the loop and not get gob fulls of water in a heavy swell.

WIth a standard wing and harnes i used a 3KG top weight and two 2kg weights in the pouches so 7kg in normal trim. In the winter id up to a 400g DUI under suit and id have to add 2Kg

When i dumped the yellow box and harnes I was able to drop to 4kg

Shortly after I switched to a Custom Divers TDB wing. I found this offered far better suport on the surface when diving with large stages.

ATB

Mark

Claudio · 11th February 2008, 21:28

I would like to know only this: someone who uses APD 22.5 kg wings on the Inspiration, along with a SS backplate SS, please tell me if there is a real advantage instead of using 16 kg wings. With the SS backplate these have undoubtedly a very low flotation capacity (at least -1 / 3 of their capacity) because they are compressed by SS backplate. How much reduces the 22.5 kg?

cool_hardware52 · 11th February 2008, 22:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by Claudio)

I would like to know only this: someone who uses APD 22.5 kg wings on the Inspiration, along with a SS backplate SS, please tell me if there is a real advantage instead of using 16 kg wings. With the SS backplate these have undoubtedly a very low flotation capacity (at least -1 / 3 of their capacity) because they are compressed by SS backplate. How much reduces the 22.5 kg?

I would doubt that using a SS plate would reduce the capacity by 1/3 or 16.5 lbs / 7.5 kg. If anything the divers back is closer to the back plane WITHOUT and back plate.

In any event to determine the capacity of any wing or BC, just weigh it empty, and then fill it with water, being careful to chae out any air bubbles. Then weigh it again. The difference in the two values will be the capacity of the wing.

If you are concerned that the wing will be constrained by a backplate or anything else, fill the in the constrained condition, i.e. fill it up with water while it is built up with the Rebreather and the SS back plate.

My guess is there won't be a huge difference between using a SS plate and the stock harness.

Tobin

Claudio · 11th February 2008, 23:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by cool_hardware52)

I would doubt that using a SS plate would reduce the capacity by 1/3 or 16.5 lbs / 7.5 kg. If anything the divers back is closer to the back plane WITHOUT and back plate.

In any event to determine the capacity of any wing or BC, just weigh it empty, and then fill it with water, being careful to chae out any air bubbles. Then weigh it again. The difference in the two values will be the capacity of the wing.

If you are concerned that the wing will be constrained by a backplate or anything else, fill the in the constrained condition, i.e. fill it up with water while it is built up with the Rebreather and the SS back plate.

My guess is there won't be a huge difference between using a SS plate and the stock harness.

Tobin

I am talking about something very simple: the difference between APD Wing 16 kg and 22.5 kg, combined with a SS backplate. The small 16 kg lose much of their volume ... About 1/3 - 1/4 (5,5-4 kg). The rear panel (the same in both versions) is very small and backplate protrudes from this and compresses the wings. I just wanted to know how much is lost with the use of 22.5 kg instead of 16.

***Decodiver*** · 12th February 2008, 14:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by Claudio)

I am talking about something very simple: the difference between APD Wing 16 kg and 22.5 kg, combined with a SS backplate. The small 16 kg lose much of their volume ... About 1/3 - 1/4 (5,5-4 kg). The rear panel (the same in both versions) is very small and backplate protrudes from this and compresses the wings. I just wanted to know how much is lost with the use of 22.5 kg instead of 16.

Ciao Claudio,

Your backplate is maybe too wide, I have a special backplate made for the Inspiration which I no longer use, it worked fine with the APD large wing and did not restrict it at all.

Unfortunately I am in Libya at the moment and cannot post a picture, if you want, when I return on Friday I can post a picture, I may be willing to sell the backplate.

Let me know if you would like me to post some pictures.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

Claudio · 13th February 2008, 10:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

Ciao Claudio,

Your backplate is maybe too wide, I have a special backplate made for the Inspiration which I no longer use, it worked fine with the APD large wing and did not restrict it at all.

Unfortunately I am in Libya at the moment and cannot post a picture, if you want, when I return on Friday I can post a picture, I would be willing to sell the backplate.

Let me know if you would like me to post some pictures.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

Thanks Dave.

I expect the pictures. I have lready a normal SS backplate (standard) but could be interested in your backplate. You can also send me a private message.
Ciao
Claudio

4th February 2008, 09:38	#11 (permalink)
scunick Nick Cunningham-Moorat Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Other CCR Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Africa - Cape Town Posts: 110	Re: Replacement Wings for Inspo Stole an Oxycheq 70 off my old Twin 15l's and stuck it on a KiwiDiver frame. Works a charm! Cheers Nick Last edited by scunick : 4th February 2008 at 09:51.
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4th February 2008, 22:50	#12 (permalink)
Claudio RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ITALY - Trento Posts: 72	Re: Replacement Wings for Inspo Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) Ciao Claudio, Give APD a call and they will sort you out with a local distributor or ship direct. Cheers, Dave. Ciao Dave Today I followed your advice and APD responded immediately. Ok. But....I would like to know this: is the central area between the two floating wider than in 16 kg wings, that I already have? In other words: there is enough space to install an SS backplate? Grazie Claudio
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5th February 2008, 10:55	#13 (permalink)
PhilSiswick Phil Siswick, Tango Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,099	Re: Replacement Wings for Inspo Quote: (Originally Posted by Claudio) Ciao Dave Today I followed your advice and APD responded immediately. Ok. But....I would like to know this: is the central area between the two floating wider than in 16 kg wings, that I already have? In other words: there is enough space to install an SS backplate? Grazie Claudio Mine works fine with an SS backplate, as do many others. I have heard that, if you have a very flat backplate, it can restrict the bladder between the case and the backplate. That would show up more than on OC, as the wing could inflate 'around' your twins before. There are 'bone' plates out there that get around this problem, as they allow more expansion area for the wing. Cheers, __________________ Phil (WSKD 0001) I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 The person who gets the farthest is generally the one who is willing to do and dare. The sure thing boat never gets far from shore. Charles A. Lindbergh www.hugsac.org.uk
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8th February 2008, 19:55	#14 (permalink)
Claudio RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ITALY - Trento Posts: 72	Re: Replacement Wings for Inspo Let me ask a question: Are the Buddy Red Wing of the AP Valves the same APD 22,5 kg Wings for inspo?
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9th February 2008, 06:41	#15 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,867	Re: Replacement Wings for Inspo Quote: (Originally Posted by Doorduijn, Niels) I can understand why you want to replace the harness (many people don't like them, some do), but I would not replace the standard wing. It really fits. As for another wing being bigger, why do you think that you need that? Which scenario do you have in mind where the large wing would be helpfull? It would take quite some stages for a bigger wing being an issue from a weight point of view and if you need multiple stages, you can bet that some of them will be filled with trimix, so buoyancy wise that should not be a relevant factor. If the unit would flood, you loOse maybe 5 kg worth of upwords buoyancy, so if you are not overweight, a normal APD 22 wing should get you to the surface, even if you loose some when used in connection with a backplate. You would perhaps not float high on the surface with the unit all filled with water, but I would think that being on the surface in such an unlikely event should be enough. Rgs, Niels P.s. Something else to consider is whether you want an alu or a steel backplate. Depending on your overall configuration, using alu might make sense if this means shifting some unditcheable weight from your back to some ditcheable weights in front. I replaced the AP Wing because it didnt lift me out of the water enough at the surface. During the dive it was fine no problem but with two 10ltr stages on at the end of the dive it wouldent lift my head clear enough to spit the loop and not get gob fulls of water in a heavy swell. WIth a standard wing and harnes i used a 3KG top weight and two 2kg weights in the pouches so 7kg in normal trim. In the winter id up to a 400g DUI under suit and id have to add 2Kg When i dumped the yellow box and harnes I was able to drop to 4kg Shortly after I switched to a Custom Divers TDB wing. I found this offered far better suport on the surface when diving with large stages. ATB Mark __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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11th February 2008, 21:28	#16 (permalink)
Claudio RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ITALY - Trento Posts: 72	Re: Replacement Wings for Inspo I would like to know only this: someone who uses APD 22.5 kg wings on the Inspiration, along with a SS backplate SS, please tell me if there is a real advantage instead of using 16 kg wings. With the SS backplate these have undoubtedly a very low flotation capacity (at least -1 / 3 of their capacity) because they are compressed by SS backplate. How much reduces the 22.5 kg?
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11th February 2008, 22:59	#17 (permalink)
cool_hardware52 RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SoCal USA Posts: 399	Re: Replacement Wings for Inspo Quote: (Originally Posted by Claudio) I would like to know only this: someone who uses APD 22.5 kg wings on the Inspiration, along with a SS backplate SS, please tell me if there is a real advantage instead of using 16 kg wings. With the SS backplate these have undoubtedly a very low flotation capacity (at least -1 / 3 of their capacity) because they are compressed by SS backplate. How much reduces the 22.5 kg? I would doubt that using a SS plate would reduce the capacity by 1/3 or 16.5 lbs / 7.5 kg. If anything the divers back is closer to the back plane WITHOUT and back plate. In any event to determine the capacity of any wing or BC, just weigh it empty, and then fill it with water, being careful to chae out any air bubbles. Then weigh it again. The difference in the two values will be the capacity of the wing. If you are concerned that the wing will be constrained by a backplate or anything else, fill the in the constrained condition, i.e. fill it up with water while it is built up with the Rebreather and the SS back plate. My guess is there won't be a huge difference between using a SS plate and the stock harness. Tobin __________________ www.deepseasupply.com
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11th February 2008, 23:53	#18 (permalink)
Claudio RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ITALY - Trento Posts: 72	Re: Replacement Wings for Inspo Quote: (Originally Posted by cool_hardware52) I would doubt that using a SS plate would reduce the capacity by 1/3 or 16.5 lbs / 7.5 kg. If anything the divers back is closer to the back plane WITHOUT and back plate. In any event to determine the capacity of any wing or BC, just weigh it empty, and then fill it with water, being careful to chae out any air bubbles. Then weigh it again. The difference in the two values will be the capacity of the wing. If you are concerned that the wing will be constrained by a backplate or anything else, fill the in the constrained condition, i.e. fill it up with water while it is built up with the Rebreather and the SS back plate. My guess is there won't be a huge difference between using a SS plate and the stock harness. Tobin I am talking about something very simple: the difference between APD Wing 16 kg and 22.5 kg, combined with a SS backplate. The small 16 kg lose much of their volume ... About 1/3 - 1/4 (5,5-4 kg). The rear panel (the same in both versions) is very small and backplate protrudes from this and compresses the wings. I just wanted to know how much is lost with the use of 22.5 kg instead of 16.
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12th February 2008, 14:53	#19 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,194	Re: Replacement Wings for Inspo Quote: (Originally Posted by Claudio) I am talking about something very simple: the difference between APD Wing 16 kg and 22.5 kg, combined with a SS backplate. The small 16 kg lose much of their volume ... About 1/3 - 1/4 (5,5-4 kg). The rear panel (the same in both versions) is very small and backplate protrudes from this and compresses the wings. I just wanted to know how much is lost with the use of 22.5 kg instead of 16. Ciao Claudio, Your backplate is maybe too wide, I have a special backplate made for the Inspiration which I no longer use, it worked fine with the APD large wing and did not restrict it at all. Unfortunately I am in Libya at the moment and cannot post a picture, if you want, when I return on Friday I can post a picture, I may be willing to sell the backplate. Let me know if you would like me to post some pictures. Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions Last edited by Decodiver : 22nd February 2008 at 22:16.
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13th February 2008, 10:00	#20 (permalink)
Claudio RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ITALY - Trento Posts: 72	Re: Replacement Wings for Inspo Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) Ciao Claudio, Your backplate is maybe too wide, I have a special backplate made for the Inspiration which I no longer use, it worked fine with the APD large wing and did not restrict it at all. Unfortunately I am in Libya at the moment and cannot post a picture, if you want, when I return on Friday I can post a picture, I would be willing to sell the backplate. Let me know if you would like me to post some pictures. Cheers, Dave Cooper. Thanks Dave. I expect the pictures. I have lready a normal SS backplate (standard) but could be interested in your backplate. You can also send me a private message. Ciao Claudio
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