Whats involved in an inspo service?

Mark Chase · 11th October 2007, 22:25

Well Mr Ward reckons we should all be getting anual services on our units. So i ask you, what exactly do AP do when they service a Inspo?

All i am aware of is they cut back the loom and put new ends on? an anoying exercise that costs you a new loom every three services because AP use crap cable.

What else do they do exactly?

ATB

Mark

DepthCharge · 11th October 2007, 22:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

Well Mr Ward reckons we should all be getting anual services on our units. So i ask you, what exactly do AP do when they service a Inspo?

All i am aware of is they cut back the loom and put new ends on? an anoying exercise that costs you a new loom every three services because AP use crap cable.

What else do they do exactly?

ATB

Mark

From searching the forums looks like replacing the handset that YOU (the owner) abused

Mdemon · 12th October 2007, 11:28

It's something like this - any errors are due to me having a memory like a sieve...

Lid service: £35.25
pressure test for leaks (this will find those cracked handsets!)
check cell wires
solenoid
handsets
replace microswitches if necessary
replace battery box if still the old pillar style

Not too unreasonable I think?

If you have cracks, or you ask for it, it becomes a Full service: £176.25
As above and -
replace O-rings
test modules
test loom
replace polycarbonate handsets as required

I think that's it but I may have missed something out.

I guess the annual £35 lid service might save money in the long run. I suspect that I wouldn't get away with anything less than the Full now...

jhaaja · 12th October 2007, 11:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon)

It's something like this - any errors are due to me having a memory like a sieve...

Lid service: £35.25
pressure test for leaks (this will find those cracked handsets!)
check cell wires
solenoid
handsets
replace microswitches if necessary
replace battery box if still the old pillar style

Not too unreasonable I think?

If you have cracks, or you ask for it, it becomes a Full service: £176.25
As above and -
replace O-rings
test modules
test loom
replace polycarbonate handsets as required

I think that's it but I may have missed something out.

I guess the annual £35 lid service might save money in the long run. I suspect that I wouldn't get away with anything less than the Full now...

I have aked about this earlier, here is description of the work done.
"The cost of a full service is £176.25 including VAT. This involves stripping down the handsets and testing them, replacing the battery box, servicing the solenoid, re-crimping the sensor connections and testing the sensors.

Unfortunately the backlights cannot be isolated for repair. If you would like to have fully working backlights again we would need to replace the electronic modules affected. This would cost £376.00 for both modules and includes a full service."

So new handsets cost 376£.

JH

lizardland · 12th October 2007, 11:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by jhaaja)

So new handsets cost 376£.

So you have to pay £376 for their design failing? Is Trading Standards in Helston particularly busy?

Mdemon · 12th October 2007, 11:49

Hmmm...not really. The backlights failing are just like a bulb going. Because the electronics are sealed in a see-through rubber thing, you can't easily open them up to replace the display module.

I was quite impressed with how robust the modules were - it's only the microswitches which are exposed.

Some pictures for those who haven't seen inside a handset:

Inside an Inspiration Handset

AD_ward9 · 12th October 2007, 12:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by jhaaja)

So new handsets cost 376£.
JH

That is fair value. Essentially you are getting as much as you do in two dive computers. Now look how much a dive computer costs

.

Low volume electronics is expensive to make, but it should give APD enough revenue to make the cost of tooling a fix to the handset gland worthwhile. This is a prod, as it is now 9 years since that fault was first found (connected with a dive fatality).
However, as it has not been done, it would make sense when you get cracked handsets to consider an upgrade to Vision handsets or Brent's new system when it is available.

Another benefit of servicing, is you get safety upgrades like the new battery box, and with new handsets you get later software.

Alex

Soren Thomsen · 12th October 2007, 13:06

To have a fair platform from where to judge the pricing of servicing I think we would need to know the cost from other Rebreather manufactors or other "head producers".

So I've started another thread

jhaaja · 12th October 2007, 13:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by AD_ward9)

That is fair value. Essentially you are getting as much as you do in two dive computers. Now look how much a dive computer costs

.

Low volume electronics is expensive to make, but it should give APD enough revenue to make the cost of tooling a fix to the handset gland worthwhile. This is a prod, as it is now 9 years since that fault was first found (connected with a dive fatality).
However, as it has not been done, it would make sense when you get cracked handsets to consider an upgrade to Vision handsets or Brent's new system when it is available.

Another benefit of servicing, is you get safety upgrades like the new battery box, and with new handsets you get later software.

Alex

I also did not like the probability of cracking my handsets one day so I bought the HH. Time will tell how it works out, so far so good...

lizardland · 12th October 2007, 13:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon)

Hmmm...not really. The backlights failing are just like a bulb going. Because the electronics are sealed in a see-through rubber thing, you can't easily open them up to replace the display module.

Still seems like poor design to put what is essentially a consumable in a position where it takes a highly priced dealer service to replace it.

11th October 2007, 22:25	#1 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,867	Whats involved in an inspo service? Well Mr Ward reckons we should all be getting anual services on our units. So i ask you, what exactly do AP do when they service a Inspo? All i am aware of is they cut back the loom and put new ends on? an anoying exercise that costs you a new loom every three services because AP use crap cable. What else do they do exactly? ATB Mark __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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11th October 2007, 22:29	#2 (permalink)
DepthCharge New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: upstate NY Posts: 234	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) Well Mr Ward reckons we should all be getting anual services on our units. So i ask you, what exactly do AP do when they service a Inspo? All i am aware of is they cut back the loom and put new ends on? an anoying exercise that costs you a new loom every three services because AP use crap cable. What else do they do exactly? ATB Mark From searching the forums looks like replacing the handset that YOU (the owner) abused __________________ Later, John It's better to beg forgiveness than ask permission
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12th October 2007, 11:28	#3 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,946	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? It's something like this - any errors are due to me having a memory like a sieve... Lid service: £35.25 pressure test for leaks (this will find those cracked handsets!) check cell wires solenoid handsets replace microswitches if necessary replace battery box if still the old pillar style Not too unreasonable I think? If you have cracks, or you ask for it, it becomes a Full service: £176.25 As above and - replace O-rings test modules test loom replace polycarbonate handsets as required I think that's it but I may have missed something out. I guess the annual £35 lid service might save money in the long run. I suspect that I wouldn't get away with anything less than the Full now... __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "small minds talk about people, Average Minds Talk About Events, GREAT MINDS TALK ABOUT IDEAS!" The WRONG Attitude will get you killed. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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12th October 2007, 11:36	#4 (permalink)
jhaaja Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 885	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon) It's something like this - any errors are due to me having a memory like a sieve... Lid service: £35.25 pressure test for leaks (this will find those cracked handsets!) check cell wires solenoid handsets replace microswitches if necessary replace battery box if still the old pillar style Not too unreasonable I think? If you have cracks, or you ask for it, it becomes a Full service: £176.25 As above and - replace O-rings test modules test loom replace polycarbonate handsets as required I think that's it but I may have missed something out. I guess the annual £35 lid service might save money in the long run. I suspect that I wouldn't get away with anything less than the Full now... I have aked about this earlier, here is description of the work done. "The cost of a full service is £176.25 including VAT. This involves stripping down the handsets and testing them, replacing the battery box, servicing the solenoid, re-crimping the sensor connections and testing the sensors. Unfortunately the backlights cannot be isolated for repair. If you would like to have fully working backlights again we would need to replace the electronic modules affected. This would cost £376.00 for both modules and includes a full service." So new handsets cost 376£. JH
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12th October 2007, 11:43	#5 (permalink)
lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,390	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? Quote: (Originally Posted by jhaaja) So new handsets cost 376£. So you have to pay £376 for their design failing? Is Trading Standards in Helston particularly busy? __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f***ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler
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12th October 2007, 11:49	#6 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,946	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? Hmmm...not really. The backlights failing are just like a bulb going. Because the electronics are sealed in a see-through rubber thing, you can't easily open them up to replace the display module. I was quite impressed with how robust the modules were - it's only the microswitches which are exposed. Some pictures for those who haven't seen inside a handset: Inside an Inspiration Handset __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "small minds talk about people, Average Minds Talk About Events, GREAT MINDS TALK ABOUT IDEAS!" The WRONG Attitude will get you killed. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?" Last edited by Mdemon : 12th October 2007 at 11:52.
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12th October 2007, 12:57	#7 (permalink)
AD_ward9 RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,016	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? Quote: (Originally Posted by jhaaja) So new handsets cost 376£. JH That is fair value. Essentially you are getting as much as you do in two dive computers. Now look how much a dive computer costs . Low volume electronics is expensive to make, but it should give APD enough revenue to make the cost of tooling a fix to the handset gland worthwhile. This is a prod, as it is now 9 years since that fault was first found (connected with a dive fatality). However, as it has not been done, it would make sense when you get cracked handsets to consider an upgrade to Vision handsets or Brent's new system when it is available. Another benefit of servicing, is you get safety upgrades like the new battery box, and with new handsets you get later software. Alex Last edited by AD_ward9 : 12th October 2007 at 13:07.
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12th October 2007, 13:06	#8 (permalink)
Soren Thomsen Happy Hippo Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 166	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? To have a fair platform from where to judge the pricing of servicing I think we would need to know the cost from other Rebreather manufactors or other "head producers". So I've started another thread __________________ - Giraffes were created when Chuck Norris uppercutted a horse -
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12th October 2007, 13:19	#9 (permalink)
jhaaja Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 885	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? Quote: (Originally Posted by AD_ward9) That is fair value. Essentially you are getting as much as you do in two dive computers. Now look how much a dive computer costs . Low volume electronics is expensive to make, but it should give APD enough revenue to make the cost of tooling a fix to the handset gland worthwhile. This is a prod, as it is now 9 years since that fault was first found (connected with a dive fatality). However, as it has not been done, it would make sense when you get cracked handsets to consider an upgrade to Vision handsets or Brent's new system when it is available. Another benefit of servicing, is you get safety upgrades like the new battery box, and with new handsets you get later software. Alex I also did not like the probability of cracking my handsets one day so I bought the HH. Time will tell how it works out, so far so good...
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12th October 2007, 13:51	#10 (permalink)
lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,390	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon) Hmmm...not really. The backlights failing are just like a bulb going. Because the electronics are sealed in a see-through rubber thing, you can't easily open them up to replace the display module. Still seems like poor design to put what is essentially a consumable in a position where it takes a highly priced dealer service to replace it. __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f***ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler
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