Whats involved in an inspo service?

SimonK · 12th October 2007, 14:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by jhaaja)

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So new handsets cost 376£.

JH

Not quite, the clear polycarbonate outer case (the bit that cracks) is replaced free as part of the £176 full service. £376 is to change the electronics as well.

Still doesn't excuse the fact that the polycarbonate case is a poor design and shouldn't crack in the first place. Maybe its APDs way of achieving Alex's aim of having the kit returned to the factory for regular servicing??

Simon

Mdemon · 12th October 2007, 14:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland)

Still seems like poor design to put what is essentially a consumable in a position where it takes a highly priced dealer service to replace it.

I think you could equally say poor design on behalf of the display manufacturer. I'm not aware of backlights failing on any LCD display I own! I agree though - it's a pain not to be able to replace the display, and I have a dim handset too. However, I guess in the grand scheme of things a well-potted module was considered safest and I tend to agree.

On a general point, I think Alex was right to point out that this stuff is a decade old. They've addressed these particular issues in the Vision. I quite like the simplicity and robustness of the Classic. It has its foibles, but I think we know what they are and know the work-arounds.

Better the Devil you know...

**Dinspiration** · 12th October 2007, 15:49

Hi,

Just a simple question: Is the upgrade from a non backlight handset
also £ 376 for both controllers?

Kind regards

DINspiration

KevDD · 12th October 2007, 17:32

Would someone explain why AP don't create new handset covers which aren't as brittle?

.....or is it a revenue generation thing where they bust their holes laughing everytime a classic comes back with a minute crack in a handset?

Johnny Christensen · 12th October 2007, 18:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by KevDD)

Would someone explain why AP don't create new handset covers which aren't as brittle?

They did, it's called the Vision.

I would guess they had their eyes on a complete makeover for some time before the public got a hint that something was comming.

BGC · 12th October 2007, 20:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon)

It's something like this - any errors are due to me having a memory like a sieve...

Lid service: £35.25
pressure test for leaks (this will find those cracked handsets!)
check cell wires
solenoid
handsets
replace microswitches if necessary
replace battery box if still the old pillar style

Not too unreasonable I think?

If you have cracks, or you ask for it, it becomes a Full service: £176.25
As above and -
replace O-rings
test modules
test loom
replace polycarbonate handsets as required

I think that's it but I may have missed something out.

I guess the annual £35 lid service might save money in the long run. I suspect that I wouldn't get away with anything less than the Full now...

Hello,

Concerning the vision and the tempstick system, what do you need to send back to APD? lid+scrubber? is it part of the £35 service?

thks
Bernard

Mdemon · 12th October 2007, 23:18

I think you'd need to call APD about that. Unless anyone else knows?

UKSteve · 13th October 2007, 10:56

Quote: (Originally Posted by BGC)

Hello,

Concerning the vision and the tempstick system, what do you need to send back to APD? lid+scrubber? is it part of the £35 service?

thks
Bernard

Hi,

I just sent the head back.

Steve

jhaaja · 13th October 2007, 18:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by SimonK)

Not quite, the clear polycarbonate outer case (the bit that cracks) is replaced free as part of the £176 full service. £376 is to change the electronics as well.

Still doesn't excuse the fact that the polycarbonate case is a poor design and shouldn't crack in the first place. Maybe its APDs way of achieving Alex's aim of having the kit returned to the factory for regular servicing??

Simon

I think not. At least AP did not tell me about. All they said that is done was in my earlier post.

To change the plastic they need to dig most of the cables from the moulded electronics, not going to happen I say, but I have been wrong earlier also...

JH

SimonK · 13th October 2007, 20:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by jhaaja)

I think not. At least AP did not tell me about. All they said that is done was in my earlier post.

To change the plastic they need to dig most of the cables from the moulded electronics, not going to happen I say, but I have been wrong earlier also...

JH

They told me that I had a cracked hand set (I could see water in it) and they changed it as part of the £176 service. The link in Mdemons post, #6, shows that the clear plastic case can be changed without disturbing the potted electronics.
The new case looks to have more cracks than the old one but that's another story.

Simon

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SimonK Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cumbria UK Posts: 231	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? Quote: (Originally Posted by jhaaja) .................................... So new handsets cost 376£. JH Not quite, the clear polycarbonate outer case (the bit that cracks) is replaced free as part of the £176 full service. £376 is to change the electronics as well. Still doesn't excuse the fact that the polycarbonate case is a poor design and shouldn't crack in the first place. Maybe its APDs way of achieving Alex's aim of having the kit returned to the factory for regular servicing?? Simon
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Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,946	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland) Still seems like poor design to put what is essentially a consumable in a position where it takes a highly priced dealer service to replace it. I think you could equally say poor design on behalf of the display manufacturer. I'm not aware of backlights failing on any LCD display I own! I agree though - it's a pain not to be able to replace the display, and I have a dim handset too. However, I guess in the grand scheme of things a well-potted module was considered safest and I tend to agree. On a general point, I think Alex was right to point out that this stuff is a decade old. They've addressed these particular issues in the Vision. I quite like the simplicity and robustness of the Classic. It has its foibles, but I think we know what they are and know the work-arounds. Better the Devil you know... __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "small minds talk about people, Average Minds Talk About Events, GREAT MINDS TALK ABOUT IDEAS!" The WRONG Attitude will get you killed. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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Dinspiration Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Switzerland Posts: 236	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? Hi, Just a simple question: Is the upgrade from a non backlight handset also £ 376 for both controllers? Kind regards DINspiration
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Johnny Christensen RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 307	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? Quote: (Originally Posted by KevDD) Would someone explain why AP don't create new handset covers which aren't as brittle? They did, it's called the Vision. I would guess they had their eyes on a complete makeover for some time before the public got a hint that something was comming. __________________ www.johnnychristensen.com Wreckphotography from the cold north
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BGC RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mouans-Sartoux, FRANCE Posts: 19	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon) It's something like this - any errors are due to me having a memory like a sieve... Lid service: £35.25 pressure test for leaks (this will find those cracked handsets!) check cell wires solenoid handsets replace microswitches if necessary replace battery box if still the old pillar style Not too unreasonable I think? If you have cracks, or you ask for it, it becomes a Full service: £176.25 As above and - replace O-rings test modules test loom replace polycarbonate handsets as required I think that's it but I may have missed something out. I guess the annual £35 lid service might save money in the long run. I suspect that I wouldn't get away with anything less than the Full now... Hello, Concerning the vision and the tempstick system, what do you need to send back to APD? lid+scrubber? is it part of the £35 service? thks Bernard
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Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,946	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? I think you'd need to call APD about that. Unless anyone else knows? __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "small minds talk about people, Average Minds Talk About Events, GREAT MINDS TALK ABOUT IDEAS!" The WRONG Attitude will get you killed. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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UKSteve Steve Collard Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Weymouth, UK Posts: 601	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? Quote: (Originally Posted by BGC) Hello, Concerning the vision and the tempstick system, what do you need to send back to APD? lid+scrubber? is it part of the £35 service? thks Bernard Hi, I just sent the head back. Steve
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jhaaja Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 885	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? Quote: (Originally Posted by SimonK) Not quite, the clear polycarbonate outer case (the bit that cracks) is replaced free as part of the £176 full service. £376 is to change the electronics as well. Still doesn't excuse the fact that the polycarbonate case is a poor design and shouldn't crack in the first place. Maybe its APDs way of achieving Alex's aim of having the kit returned to the factory for regular servicing?? Simon I think not. At least AP did not tell me about. All they said that is done was in my earlier post. To change the plastic they need to dig most of the cables from the moulded electronics, not going to happen I say, but I have been wrong earlier also... JH
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SimonK Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cumbria UK Posts: 231	Re: Whats involved in an inspo service? Quote: (Originally Posted by jhaaja) I think not. At least AP did not tell me about. All they said that is done was in my earlier post. To change the plastic they need to dig most of the cables from the moulded electronics, not going to happen I say, but I have been wrong earlier also... JH They told me that I had a cracked hand set (I could see water in it) and they changed it as part of the £176 service. The link in Mdemons post, #6, shows that the clear plastic case can be changed without disturbing the potted electronics. The new case looks to have more cracks than the old one but that's another story. Simon
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