Which 1st stages ?

Tino de Rijk · 31st August 2007, 15:33

The weight is 800 gram each.
I guess the Apeks ones at around 500 or so.
So all in all you can leave a little more than 1/2 a kilo out or your weight belt. having said that though, I love the build quality. It's awsone. Much stronger than the Apeks ones.

Ciao,

Tino.

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Aside from the visual cues, the APD are ~2x the weight of Apeks...

decoweenie · 31st August 2007, 15:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by Tino de Rijk)

So all in all you can leave a little more than 1/2 a kilo out or your weight belt...

If you wear a weight belt...

(I don't even wear weight belt with drysuit)

Yes, the APD first stages are very robust but:

heavy for transporting by air (almost 2 for 1)
more weight at the top to balance for trim

Tino de Rijk · 31st August 2007, 18:16

Both true. Solidity has its price (which I use as excuse for the wife to defend MY weight; never worked though......)

Ciao,

Tino.

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

If you wear a weight belt...

(I don't even wear weight belt with drysuit)

Yes, the APD first stages are very robust but:

heavy for transporting by air (almost 2 for 1)
more weight at the top to balance for trim

Janos · 31st August 2007, 18:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by Tino de Rijk)

I love the build quality. It's awsone. Much stronger than the Apeks ones.

Hmmm. I'm one for tough build quality, where it matters. I've never heard of a first stage body failing. The o-rings yes. The seats yes. But the metal body? No.

Janos

***Decodiver*** · 31st August 2007, 20:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

If you wear a weight belt...

(I don't even wear weight belt with drysuit)

Me neither and I'm a fat f*$%er, what's your excuse?

decoweenie · 1st September 2007, 00:07

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

Me neither and I'm a fat f*$%er, what's your excuse?

Don't quite understand what you are asking...

Silent · 1st September 2007, 02:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

Me neither and I'm a fat f*$%er, what's your excuse?

Ahh finally an admission that maybe you've eaten too much KFC???

***Beanie*** · 3rd September 2007, 10:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

Me neither and I'm a fat f*$%er, what's your excuse?

I'm big boned

decoweenie · 3rd September 2007, 11:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by Beanie)

I'm big boned

I finally understood the question...

Dave, you can't be too much of a fat %$#& as fat is lower in density than muscle/bone and you should be floating instead.

Tino de Rijk · 3rd September 2007, 11:27

Serious question here: I'm 190 cm long, weight slightly over 100 kilo, and in an Otter membrane suit with a bog-standard Inspo (i.e. no SS backplate or so) I still need some 8 kilo's of weight. In a wetsuit (8 mm overall) I need some 4 kilos. All on the hips, with 2 kilo's on top of the unit (in the drysuit config replaced by a 1-liter steel cylinder for my drysuit).
Only in the tropics, with a 3 mm overall, do I not need extra weight.
Dave: do you use a steel backplate or anything to compensate for the lack of a belt?

ciao,

Tino.

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

I finally understood the question...

Dave, you can't be too much of a fat %$#& as fat is lower in density than muscle/bone and you should be floating instead.

31st August 2007, 15:33	#11 (permalink)
Tino de Rijk Old, maybe one day wise Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 375	Re: Which 1st stages ? The weight is 800 gram each. I guess the Apeks ones at around 500 or so. So all in all you can leave a little more than 1/2 a kilo out or your weight belt. having said that though, I love the build quality. It's awsone. Much stronger than the Apeks ones. Ciao, Tino. Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Aside from the visual cues, the APD are ~2x the weight of Apeks...
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Tino de Rijk Old, maybe one day wise Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 375	Re: Which 1st stages ? Both true. Solidity has its price (which I use as excuse for the wife to defend MY weight; never worked though......) Ciao, Tino. Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) If you wear a weight belt... (I don't even wear weight belt with drysuit) Yes, the APD first stages are very robust but: heavy for transporting by air (almost 2 for 1) more weight at the top to balance for trim
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decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Which 1st stages ? Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) Me neither and I'm a fat f$%er, what's your excuse? Don't quite understand what you are asking... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM* Last edited by decoweenie : 1st September 2007 at 08:35.
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decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Which 1st stages ? Quote: (Originally Posted by Beanie) I'm big boned I finally understood the question... Dave, you can't be too much of a fat %$#& as fat is lower in density than muscle/bone and you should be floating instead. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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Tino de Rijk Old, maybe one day wise Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 375	Re: Which 1st stages ? Serious question here: I'm 190 cm long, weight slightly over 100 kilo, and in an Otter membrane suit with a bog-standard Inspo (i.e. no SS backplate or so) I still need some 8 kilo's of weight. In a wetsuit (8 mm overall) I need some 4 kilos. All on the hips, with 2 kilo's on top of the unit (in the drysuit config replaced by a 1-liter steel cylinder for my drysuit). Only in the tropics, with a 3 mm overall, do I not need extra weight. Dave: do you use a steel backplate or anything to compensate for the lack of a belt? ciao, Tino. Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) I finally understood the question... Dave, you can't be too much of a fat %$#& as fat is lower in density than muscle/bone and you should be floating instead.
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