neoprene counter lungs

PCDiver · 5th September 2005, 08:44

(-: I wasn't thinking about borrowing your lungs. A drawing with some pictures would be great.

Do you need more weight with the neoprene lungs compared to the classic APD lungs?

dave t · 5th September 2005, 13:12

no less, not so much water displacement, from memory I dropped at least a couple of kgs

PCDiver · 5th September 2005, 14:04

I found someone willing to make the counter lungs in neoprene. (-; He mentioned that it would not be CE approved.

Dave - I'll PM you my private details so we can work together or this. And thanks for helping us out here. Much appreciated.

Peter

decoweenie · 5th September 2005, 14:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver)

I found someone willing to make the counter lungs in neoprene. (-; He mentioned that it would not be CE approved.

Good job, Peter!

Once the logistic is ironed out with Dave, could you please make sure to let us know so we could place our order in as well ?

Thanks again...

PCDiver · 5th September 2005, 14:51

Since more people are interested we could make this an open source project. I would like to invite everyone who is interested to provide input.

nmanfield · 5th September 2005, 15:16

Tried to get the guy from Preadator to make me some and failed. Add me to the list, please!

PCDiver · 5th September 2005, 15:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by nmanfield)

Tried to get the guy from Preadator to make me some and failed. Add me to the list, please!

What was wrong about the lungs, so we can avoid making the same mistake?

dave t · 5th September 2005, 16:37

I think its fair to say I spent a lot of time (and money) getting the size and shape right, its suprissing how a small change can have a big impact on their performance. I have been diving mine now for two or three years and apart from one small change I want to make they dive perfectly. thickness and type of neoprene has to be chosen carefully otherwise they will expand too readily or be to difficult to clean, the tee,s will pull out or they will just plain wear out quickly.

Of course any input is welcome but I have some experience of this!!

PCDiver · 5th September 2005, 17:10

Dave, you are absolutely right. I did not want to question your expertise in this matter. I just send you an e-mail.

PCDiver · 5th September 2005, 17:27

I just had an email from Dave and he suggested a very good way on how to proceed. I'm gonna ask the neoprene guy to make some "prototypes/samples" for testing based on Dave's design. Interested individuals can then "test" these samples and suggest improvements (after participating in the cost :-). I have no plans on sponsering this "project" since I have no intention on selling the counter lungs. There are too many problems with CE laws as Dave already pointed out.

It will probably take two weeks before I go the Netherlands to discuss the details.

5th September 2005, 08:44	#11 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,003	(-: I wasn't thinking about borrowing your lungs. A drawing with some pictures would be great. Do you need more weight with the neoprene lungs compared to the classic APD lungs?
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5th September 2005, 13:12	#12 (permalink)
dave t RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 674	no less, not so much water displacement, from memory I dropped at least a couple of kgs
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5th September 2005, 14:04	#13 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,003	I found someone willing to make the counter lungs in neoprene. (-; He mentioned that it would not be CE approved. Dave - I'll PM you my private details so we can work together or this. And thanks for helping us out here. Much appreciated. Peter
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5th September 2005, 14:13	#14 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver) I found someone willing to make the counter lungs in neoprene. (-; He mentioned that it would not be CE approved. Good job, Peter! Once the logistic is ironed out with Dave, could you please make sure to let us know so we could place our order in as well ? Thanks again... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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5th September 2005, 14:51	#15 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,003	Since more people are interested we could make this an open source project. I would like to invite everyone who is interested to provide input.
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5th September 2005, 15:16	#16 (permalink)
nmanfield Megalegalegalegadingdong! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Odessa, Ukraine Posts: 329	Tried to get the guy from Preadator to make me some and failed. Add me to the list, please!
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5th September 2005, 15:30	#17 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,003	Quote: (Originally Posted by nmanfield) Tried to get the guy from Preadator to make me some and failed. Add me to the list, please! What was wrong about the lungs, so we can avoid making the same mistake?
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5th September 2005, 16:37	#18 (permalink)
dave t RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 674	I think its fair to say I spent a lot of time (and money) getting the size and shape right, its suprissing how a small change can have a big impact on their performance. I have been diving mine now for two or three years and apart from one small change I want to make they dive perfectly. thickness and type of neoprene has to be chosen carefully otherwise they will expand too readily or be to difficult to clean, the tee,s will pull out or they will just plain wear out quickly. Of course any input is welcome but I have some experience of this!!
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5th September 2005, 17:10	#19 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,003	Dave, you are absolutely right. I did not want to question your expertise in this matter. I just send you an e-mail.
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5th September 2005, 17:27	#20 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,003	I just had an email from Dave and he suggested a very good way on how to proceed. I'm gonna ask the neoprene guy to make some "prototypes/samples" for testing based on Dave's design. Interested individuals can then "test" these samples and suggest improvements (after participating in the cost :-). I have no plans on sponsering this "project" since I have no intention on selling the counter lungs. There are too many problems with CE laws as Dave already pointed out. It will probably take two weeks before I go the Netherlands to discuss the details.
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