Strange but true

Andy Del · 31st July 2007, 22:29

Beware Bazz, there's a gremlin hiding in your shop! Remember it was lurking in the rEvo a few weeks ago, when someone couldn't turn it off?

Piezo switches? What's the new owner been eating/drinking (or not) in ghe last week? A few beers, a greasy burger, come back after last drinks at skiffies, and I'll bet it works a treat for him...

Bazza · 2nd August 2007, 06:25

We are making progress, the thing fires up 50-60% of the time now for him.

How do they work ???

regards Baz

**DeepBlueInnovation** · 2nd August 2007, 07:48

Quote: (Originally Posted by Bazza)

How do they work ???
regards Baz

And you are instructing him

Tino de Rijk · 2nd August 2007, 08:16

Baz,

have a look at PIEZOCRYST: Advanced Sensorics GmbH - Piezoelectric Sensors for a description on how piezo-electric pressure sensors work.

ciao,

Tino.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Bazza)

We are making progress, the thing fires up 50-60% of the time now for him.

How do they work ???

regards Baz

IKM · 2nd August 2007, 09:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by Bazza)

We are making progress, the thing fires up 50-60% of the time now for him.

How do they work ???

regards Baz

They are buttons ... you need to push them.

Have you never seen buttons before ?

UKSteve · 2nd August 2007, 11:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by IKM)

They are buttons ... you need to push them.

Have you never seen buttons before ?

Hmmm..that would be the Aussie version of "The Joy of Sex" then.. page 2 covers the rest of forplay.. "Sheila... brace yourself!!"

Quite a short book I understand

S.

Tino de Rijk · 2nd August 2007, 15:23

So many funny replies, but not a lot of help....
Let me try to add to my previous reply: there was a very recent thread on the Inspiration mailing list on the various types of wrist-straps used with the handset. Martin Parker (APD's CEO) wrote basically: DON'T use thicker-than-standard straps on the handset, because the yellow part you see in the middle of it is effectively a thick flexible membrane, and compressing it too much by e.g. using very thick straps may pressurize the membrane unduly and damage electronics and/or make the buttons act weird (due to unintended applied pressure, or the other way around, i.e. not being able to release applied pressure; piezo switches measure pressure-DIFFERENCES).
I don't know if this is relevant here, but you may want to check it out, e.g. try if removing the straps makes any difference...

good luck,

Tino.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Tino de Rijk)

Baz,

have a look at PIEZOCRYST: Advanced Sensorics GmbH - Piezoelectric Sensors for a description on how piezo-electric pressure sensors work.

ciao,

Tino.

UKSteve · 2nd August 2007, 16:20

Good point Tino.... and appologies for the frivolity... was brought on by two straight days of sun in the UK (raining again now tho

)

S

Tino de Rijk · 2nd August 2007, 21:27

Well..... not so much better in Holland as well for the last few weeks... LOADS of rain, and too much wind. But this weekend's lookin' good - finally!

Ciao,

Tino.

Quote: (Originally Posted by UKSteve)

Good point Tino.... and appologies for the frivolity... was brought on by two straight days of sun in the UK (raining again now tho

)

S

Bazza · 3rd August 2007, 00:22

Tino .... once again you have proved your worth, many thanks for the info on the Piezo switches. Its a pity our country cousins out in the West of Oz can't be more helpful. I am going to ask APD about this because it seems that it is not body static which is causing the problem based on this info below taken from the link.

"piezoelectric technology is insensitive to electromagnetic fields and radiation"

The guy is getting better at switching the unit on/off but it still is not correct. We have several units in the store (stock and school units) but he has the same problem with all of them, so it is not the units. Its got so silly that we are trying things like taking shoes off and using thumbs instead of forefingers on the buttons all with mixed results.

It was interesting that one other guy earlier mentioned that a friend of his had the very same problem but it slowly went away, as it appears to be doing with my guy.

Anyone had the same problem with the HH ???

regards Baz

PS ... this is the point were the knobs in West Oz can now insert even more useful comments .... makes you proud to be Australian eh boys!

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2nd August 2007, 08:16	#14 (permalink)
Tino de Rijk Old, maybe one day wise Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 375	Re: Strange but true Baz, have a look at PIEZOCRYST: Advanced Sensorics GmbH - Piezoelectric Sensors for a description on how piezo-electric pressure sensors work. ciao, Tino. Quote: (Originally Posted by Bazza) We are making progress, the thing fires up 50-60% of the time now for him. How do they work ??? regards Baz
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IKM New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Western Australia Posts: 45	Re: Strange but true Quote: (Originally Posted by Bazza) We are making progress, the thing fires up 50-60% of the time now for him. How do they work ??? regards Baz They are buttons ... you need to push them. Have you never seen buttons before ? __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It tastes like air ....
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2nd August 2007, 11:06	#16 (permalink)
UKSteve Steve Collard Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Weymouth, UK Posts: 601	Re: Strange but true Quote: (Originally Posted by IKM) They are buttons ... you need to push them. Have you never seen buttons before ? Hmmm..that would be the Aussie version of "The Joy of Sex" then.. page 2 covers the rest of forplay.. "Sheila... brace yourself!!" Quite a short book I understand S.
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2nd August 2007, 15:23	#17 (permalink)
Tino de Rijk Old, maybe one day wise Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 375	Re: Strange but true So many funny replies, but not a lot of help.... Let me try to add to my previous reply: there was a very recent thread on the Inspiration mailing list on the various types of wrist-straps used with the handset. Martin Parker (APD's CEO) wrote basically: DON'T use thicker-than-standard straps on the handset, because the yellow part you see in the middle of it is effectively a thick flexible membrane, and compressing it too much by e.g. using very thick straps may pressurize the membrane unduly and damage electronics and/or make the buttons act weird (due to unintended applied pressure, or the other way around, i.e. not being able to release applied pressure; piezo switches measure pressure-DIFFERENCES). I don't know if this is relevant here, but you may want to check it out, e.g. try if removing the straps makes any difference... good luck, Tino. Quote: (Originally Posted by Tino de Rijk) Baz, have a look at PIEZOCRYST: Advanced Sensorics GmbH - Piezoelectric Sensors for a description on how piezo-electric pressure sensors work. ciao, Tino.
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2nd August 2007, 16:20	#18 (permalink)
UKSteve Steve Collard Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Weymouth, UK Posts: 601	Re: Strange but true Good point Tino.... and appologies for the frivolity... was brought on by two straight days of sun in the UK (raining again now tho ) S
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Tino de Rijk Old, maybe one day wise Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 375	Re: Strange but true Well..... not so much better in Holland as well for the last few weeks... LOADS of rain, and too much wind. But this weekend's lookin' good - finally! Ciao, Tino. Quote: (Originally Posted by UKSteve) Good point Tino.... and appologies for the frivolity... was brought on by two straight days of sun in the UK (raining again now tho ) S
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3rd August 2007, 00:22	#20 (permalink)
Bazza New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution rEvo Other CCR Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Dolphin Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 174	Re: Strange but true Tino .... once again you have proved your worth, many thanks for the info on the Piezo switches. Its a pity our country cousins out in the West of Oz can't be more helpful. I am going to ask APD about this because it seems that it is not body static which is causing the problem based on this info below taken from the link. "piezoelectric technology is insensitive to electromagnetic fields and radiation" The guy is getting better at switching the unit on/off but it still is not correct. We have several units in the store (stock and school units) but he has the same problem with all of them, so it is not the units. Its got so silly that we are trying things like taking shoes off and using thumbs instead of forefingers on the buttons all with mixed results. It was interesting that one other guy earlier mentioned that a friend of his had the very same problem but it slowly went away, as it appears to be doing with my guy. Anyone had the same problem with the HH ??? regards Baz PS ... this is the point were the knobs in West Oz can now insert even more useful comments .... makes you proud to be Australian eh boys!
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