All the broken/failing parts on my unit...

cedricverdier · 19th August 2005, 08:08

Hi all,

Just for fun (it wasn't fun at all when the problems occured), here is a list of all the broken or failing parts I had on my Inspiration and my Evolution.

So please share your experience. Tell us what happened with your unit. it could even be a kind of contest: "the most amazing problem with a YBOD"

Here is my list:

With my Inspiration (5 year old, used for training):
- broken wires (Molex connectors, solenoid)
- rusted magnets (it looks like I changed them 2 000 times!!)
- broken On/Off button and cracked handset (a student stepped on it)

- O2 manual injector falling down during a deep dive)
- rusted battery compartment
- flooded electronics (twice!!)
- jammed solenoid (completely rusted inside)
- broken latch (3 times)
- free-flowing Auto-Air (not really a failing component. It looks like it's designed to do that...)

With my Evolution (less than 3 month old):
- no more stickers on the manual injectors (bad glue according to APD)

- rusted steel tanks
- fading chrome on the 1st stages (not a problem, according to APD)
- frozen display during the last software upgrade (3 uploading procedures were necessary to solve the problem)

- leaking ADV shut-off valve

cheers

Drmike · 19th August 2005, 09:00

- rusted magnets x 3 per year

- free-flowing Auto-Air (actually fell apart inside a 60m wreck and I lost most of dil!)

- leaking ADV

***Beanie*** · 19th August 2005, 10:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by jptaylor9)

o Chipped edge of plastic thread off diluent base plate that the dil valve screws on to, have replacement part from APD to fit.

My O2 base is like that doesn't afffect the unit just weird looks like the mice hae been eating it

had leaking ADV too well breathe in and it carrys on

Mdemon · 19th August 2005, 12:33

Snapped plastic manifold bracket.
Slight rusting round base of inboard tins.

(On Inspo "Classic")

Padowan · 19th August 2005, 12:46

My unit (2004 Classic) has been good on the whole, seems I got on of the last good ones! But....

Injector labels fell off - got replacements FOC from AP
Black case cracked at the base - my own fault for dragging it about
Handset magnets rusted - cleaned, greased, not replaced, but got spares FOC from AP
Replaced the standard D-Rings with some lovely rigid welded ones from John Perrin at Kent Tooling - much easier to clip on and off stages

On a positive note compared to some other peoples common probems

ADV has been good as gold, never free-flowed, works fine. It has been the cause of failed +ve tests, but now I strip and maintain it about one a month and it's been fine since
ADV shut off works perfectly, does not leak and is used on every dive (shut off once at target depth to aid min loop volume operation)
Autoair has also been good as gold. I told myself that I would rip it off the first time it misbehaves, I stand by this statement, but it's still on the unit after a year of troublefree operation
Standard harness is comfortable and functional and still in place. It's not ideal, sure, but it works.

Overall, totally happy with the unit. But I still want a Meg!!!

pchanning · 19th August 2005, 13:43

Oh well, in for a penny. I bought mine off one of the first owners (No. 3) so its been round the houses and not much of it is original anymore, but still I've had the joy of the following.

Leaks:
ADV (now and then)
flow stop (usually when I need it)
first stages (old seamann sub type, need to go in the bin really)
pillar valves (causing loss of o2 )
LP hoses (o2 and wing)
BOV and original DV
Wing (both bladder and LPI)
CL's (replaced)

(I dont think there is anything else - literally..!! )

Other:
Handset failure ( batteries went down in BOTH)
Cracked T piece
Hole in breathing hose

The whole thing was stripped, sonically cleaned and fully serviced after I bought it. Its no wonder it got coined a YBOL (yellow bag o' leaks). However, I'm glad to say that it is now nearly perfect, though some of the above problems still remain.

Its worth noting that the Inspo has a shelf life of 7 years IIRC and that all things perish in time. If I'd of had the choice again I wonder whether a later unit would have performed better, or maybe mine was just 'one of them'. Keeps me off the streets though.

HTH

paul

RebreatherDave · 19th August 2005, 23:49

"Shelf life of 7 years"?!

Says who?!

***caveseeker7*** · 20th August 2005, 02:50

You didn't know?

If it gets in contact with water it's less ...

Mark Chase · 20th August 2005, 08:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by RebreatherDave)

"Shelf life of 7 years"?!

Says who?!

APD aparently.

ATB

Mark Chase

sensor330 · 20th August 2005, 16:01

It states in the user manual that the shelf life of the Inspiration is 7 years if the Rebreather is unused. By profession I dive/work with rebreathers, and a 7 year shelf life of unsed Rebreather is not uncommon. Basically after we pull a RB from storage all we do is change all the o-rings and run it thru a series of tests.

As far as the Inspiration goes all I can say is that I've only had mine since May, and any problems I've had has been my fault. When I bought it it was used with about a 100hrs on it, since then I've put another 40hrs. After reading tons of posts about rusting magnets I decided to check mine. I found that the maget was corroded, so I cleaned it up and put it back together. For whatever reason I only did one handset, and that next day I went diving. Guess what the only handset that gave me grief was the one I clean. Either it didn't work at all or it would keep scrolling the display. Since then the only maintaince I have done to the handsets is a good fresh water rinse.

Scott

19th August 2005, 08:08	#1 (permalink)
cedricverdier S21 M.I.B. Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Worldwide! Posts: 498	All the broken/failing parts on my unit... Hi all, Just for fun (it wasn't fun at all when the problems occured), here is a list of all the broken or failing parts I had on my Inspiration and my Evolution. So please share your experience. Tell us what happened with your unit. it could even be a kind of contest: "the most amazing problem with a YBOD" Here is my list: With my Inspiration (5 year old, used for training): - broken wires (Molex connectors, solenoid) - rusted magnets (it looks like I changed them 2 000 times!!) - broken On/Off button and cracked handset (a student stepped on it) - O2 manual injector falling down during a deep dive) - rusted battery compartment - flooded electronics (twice!!) - jammed solenoid (completely rusted inside) - broken latch (3 times) - free-flowing Auto-Air (not really a failing component. It looks like it's designed to do that...) With my Evolution (less than 3 month old): - no more stickers on the manual injectors (bad glue according to APD) - rusted steel tanks - fading chrome on the 1st stages (not a problem, according to APD) - frozen display during the last software upgrade (3 uploading procedures were necessary to solve the problem) - leaking ADV shut-off valve cheers __________________ Cedric Verdier PADI Course Director, ANDI-IANTD-PSAI-TDI-DSAT-DAN-NAUI-CMAS Instructor Trainer Trimix (CCR and OC) and Cave Diving Instructor Trainer www.CedricVerdier.com DIRrebreather member
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19th August 2005, 09:00	#2 (permalink)
Drmike RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,378	- rusted magnets x 3 per year - free-flowing Auto-Air (actually fell apart inside a 60m wreck and I lost most of dil!) - leaking ADV __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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19th August 2005, 10:57	#3 (permalink)
*Beanie* Gallery Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,312	Quote: (Originally Posted by jptaylor9) o Chipped edge of plastic thread off diluent base plate that the dil valve screws on to, have replacement part from APD to fit. My O2 base is like that doesn't afffect the unit just weird looks like the mice hae been eating it had leaking ADV too well breathe in and it carrys on __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk
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19th August 2005, 12:33	#4 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,946	Snapped plastic manifold bracket. Slight rusting round base of inboard tins. (On Inspo "Classic") __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "small minds talk about people, Average Minds Talk About Events, GREAT MINDS TALK ABOUT IDEAS!" The WRONG Attitude will get you killed. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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19th August 2005, 12:46	#5 (permalink)
Padowan RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Exeter, UK. Posts: 526	Both sides of the story.... My unit (2004 Classic) has been good on the whole, seems I got on of the last good ones! But.... Injector labels fell off - got replacements FOC from AP Black case cracked at the base - my own fault for dragging it about Handset magnets rusted - cleaned, greased, not replaced, but got spares FOC from AP Replaced the standard D-Rings with some lovely rigid welded ones from John Perrin at Kent Tooling - much easier to clip on and off stages On a positive note compared to some other peoples common probems ADV has been good as gold, never free-flowed, works fine. It has been the cause of failed +ve tests, but now I strip and maintain it about one a month and it's been fine since ADV shut off works perfectly, does not leak and is used on every dive (shut off once at target depth to aid min loop volume operation) Autoair has also been good as gold. I told myself that I would rip it off the first time it misbehaves, I stand by this statement, but it's still on the unit after a year of troublefree operation Standard harness is comfortable and functional and still in place. It's not ideal, sure, but it works. Overall, totally happy with the unit. But I still want a Meg!!! __________________ Padowan The future's bright, the future's Yellow .....for now padowan.net - Latest Video: Scapa Flow Rebreather Diving
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19th August 2005, 13:43	#6 (permalink)
pchanning PFO free :) Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: fixed! Posts: 454	So then, leaks ya say... Oh well, in for a penny. I bought mine off one of the first owners (No. 3) so its been round the houses and not much of it is original anymore, but still I've had the joy of the following. Leaks: ADV (now and then) flow stop (usually when I need it) first stages (old seamann sub type, need to go in the bin really) pillar valves (causing loss of o2 ) LP hoses (o2 and wing) BOV and original DV Wing (both bladder and LPI) CL's (replaced) (I dont think there is anything else - literally..!! ) Other: Handset failure ( batteries went down in BOTH) Cracked T piece Hole in breathing hose The whole thing was stripped, sonically cleaned and fully serviced after I bought it. Its no wonder it got coined a YBOL (yellow bag o' leaks). However, I'm glad to say that it is now nearly perfect, though some of the above problems still remain. Its worth noting that the Inspo has a shelf life of 7 years IIRC and that all things perish in time. If I'd of had the choice again I wonder whether a later unit would have performed better, or maybe mine was just 'one of them'. Keeps me off the streets though. HTH paul __________________ Cheers Paul The key to enlightenment... is survival.
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19th August 2005, 23:49	#7 (permalink)
RebreatherDave Maximum **** Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s:** Join Date: May 2005 Location: L.A., where the debris meets the sea Posts: 226	"Shelf life of 7 years"?! Says who?!
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20th August 2005, 08:46	#9 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,867	Quote: (Originally Posted by RebreatherDave) "Shelf life of 7 years"?! Says who?! APD aparently. ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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20th August 2005, 16:01	#10 (permalink)
sensor330 RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 594	It states in the user manual that the shelf life of the Inspiration is 7 years if the Rebreather is unused. By profession I dive/work with rebreathers, and a 7 year shelf life of unsed Rebreather is not uncommon. Basically after we pull a RB from storage all we do is change all the o-rings and run it thru a series of tests. As far as the Inspiration goes all I can say is that I've only had mine since May, and any problems I've had has been my fault. When I bought it it was used with about a 100hrs on it, since then I've put another 40hrs. After reading tons of posts about rusting magnets I decided to check mine. I found that the maget was corroded, so I cleaned it up and put it back together. For whatever reason I only did one handset, and that next day I went diving. Guess what the only handset that gave me grief was the one I clean. Either it didn't work at all or it would keep scrolling the display. Since then the only maintaince I have done to the handsets is a good fresh water rinse. Scott
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