Do you trust your vision ??

ajmtucke · 17th April 2007, 09:15

Just a thought (as i dive a classic) but there seem to be an increasing number of threads on here about problems with the vision and it's software.

I am always thinking of changing up but (touch wood) i have had no probs with my classic and would not want to get hold of a unit that has to constantly go back to AP

so do you trust your vision ?

any thoughts

ash

Mark Chase · 17th April 2007, 09:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by ajmtucke)

Just a thought (as i dive a classic) but there seem to be an increasing number of threads on here about problems with the vision and it's software.

I am always thinking of changing up but (touch wood) i have had no probs with my classic and would not want to get hold of a unit that has to constantly go back to AP

so do you trust your vision ?

any thoughts

ash

Isn't this a bit of a silly question? Surely, you must trust your life to it or you wouldn't get in the water.

Just as many if not more problems with the Classic so I don't see as it makes much difference. If you get a good unit your lucky same as with the Classic. One dive buddy with a Classic has had no problems at all, another has had exactly the same problems as i suffered. Cracked hand sets, corroded looms, battery contact issues, handsets shutting off under water.

Last dive after the unit just came back from a service and new loom. He jumped in the water and had both hand sets shut down on the way to the wreck. So ones off and the other says waiting for data???

Same things happened on my old unit.

Same with the Vision, I know divers who have had on end of issues and divers who apparently have missed them all. Mind you on questioning the "Ive had no problems" bunch have had most of the problems but don't consider them serious enough to worry about.

The only ECCR i haven't herd a load of issues over is the Apex2 Meg. However these are rocking horse poo over here. Ill have a better opinion of them after this year as two of the divers in our group have just replaced their old dead Megs with Apex2 heads.

ATB

Mark Chase

***schford*** · 17th April 2007, 10:22

I agree with Mark - and I certainly don't see an increasing number of threads on here.

I would expect to see a few more than other units simply because of the fact that there are more Visions out there than every other unit combined.

Stuart

Mdemon · 17th April 2007, 11:51

Since the Vision is does more, there are more areas for things to go wrong?

e.g. Classic + VR£ issues v's Vision issues

That said, if you have no confidence in your unit, that's a bad thing, fair or not.

HelenM · 17th April 2007, 11:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

more Visions out there than every other unit combined.

Stuart

More than Inspo Classics? I find that quite unlikely...?

colinicky · 17th April 2007, 11:59

If you trust your unit ( what ever it is ) with your life then why carry bailout ? Me I have a healthy respect that my vision will try killing me at some point because of something I have/have not done

,So I trust the unit (ish) but I dont trust myself

so always carry bailout

CharlieT · 17th April 2007, 12:09

The question has been put in an unfortunate way.

No rebreather diver trusts his unit with his life and there have been many posts stating this.

I certainly have confidence in my Vision but carry bail out gas on every dive, however shallow.

The software issues appear to have been ironed out and the latest upgrade is another step forward with pre-dive battery testing etc.

I had a VR3 from OC diving and prudence leads me to take the VR3 as a back up computer.

Problems? I had problems on a dive on the Murree because I was using Panasonic batteries whilst awaiting a shipment of Fujitsus and I had the Missed Deco warning due to not holding the on button down for 3 secs or longer on another dive.

I have had no leaks and my ADV has always worked properly.

Is the 2007 Vision a perfect unit now? No but it's as good as anything else on the market with the added advantage of onboard deco management and the Temp stick.

Charlie

Tom F. · 17th April 2007, 12:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by ajmtucke)

Just a thought (as i dive a classic)

so do you trust your vision ?

any thoughts

ash

Yes I trust my Vision, in fact I trust my Vision a lot more than I trusted my Classic.

Tom F.

Mark Chase · 17th April 2007, 12:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by CharlieT)

The question has been put in an unfortunate way.

No rebreather diver trusts his unit with his life and there have been many posts stating this.

I certainly have confidence in my Vision but carry bail out gas on every dive, however shallow.

The software issues appear to have been ironed out and the latest upgrade is another step forward with pre-dive battery testing etc.

I had a VR3 from OC diving and prudence leads me to take the VR3 as a back up computer.

Problems? I had problems on a dive on the Murree because I was using Panasonic batteries whilst awaiting a shipment of Fujitsus and I had the Missed Deco warning due to not holding the on button down for 3 secs or longer on another dive.

I have had no leaks and my ADV has always worked properly.

Is the 2007 Vision a perfect unit now? No but it's as good as anything else on the market with the added advantage of onboard deco management and the Temp stick.

Charlie

This is a very good point. What else is there on the market that compair with a Vision??? Not much. The Borris and the Optima with Hammer Head Controller are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.

They have had their fair share of problems as well.

ATB

Mark Chase

**nigelh** · 17th April 2007, 16:35

I'm one of the people who has a well reported incident on the Vision Electronics but I still dive the thing quite happily. I have a VR3 and that usually takes longer to clear but it isn't a plan to dive the VR3, I dive the most conservative and then some extra.

View Poll Results: Do you trust your vision ??
Yes trust it with my life	54	77.14%
Nope - i carry HUGE bailout and a VR3	12	17.14%
Only when it has been serviced	0	0%
thinking of changing back to a classic	4	5.71%
Voters: 70. You may not vote on this poll

17th April 2007, 09:15	#1 (permalink)
ajmtucke RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Posts: 86	Do you trust your vision ?? Just a thought (as i dive a classic) but there seem to be an increasing number of threads on here about problems with the vision and it's software. I am always thinking of changing up but (touch wood) i have had no probs with my classic and would not want to get hold of a unit that has to constantly go back to AP so do you trust your vision ? any thoughts ash
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17th April 2007, 09:59	#2 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,867	Re: Do you trust your vision ?? Quote: (Originally Posted by ajmtucke) Just a thought (as i dive a classic) but there seem to be an increasing number of threads on here about problems with the vision and it's software. I am always thinking of changing up but (touch wood) i have had no probs with my classic and would not want to get hold of a unit that has to constantly go back to AP so do you trust your vision ? any thoughts ash Isn't this a bit of a silly question? Surely, you must trust your life to it or you wouldn't get in the water. Just as many if not more problems with the Classic so I don't see as it makes much difference. If you get a good unit your lucky same as with the Classic. One dive buddy with a Classic has had no problems at all, another has had exactly the same problems as i suffered. Cracked hand sets, corroded looms, battery contact issues, handsets shutting off under water. Last dive after the unit just came back from a service and new loom. He jumped in the water and had both hand sets shut down on the way to the wreck. So ones off and the other says waiting for data??? Same things happened on my old unit. Same with the Vision, I know divers who have had on end of issues and divers who apparently have missed them all. Mind you on questioning the "Ive had no problems" bunch have had most of the problems but don't consider them serious enough to worry about. The only ECCR i haven't herd a load of issues over is the Apex2 Meg. However these are rocking horse poo over here. Ill have a better opinion of them after this year as two of the divers in our group have just replaced their old dead Megs with Apex2 heads. ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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17th April 2007, 10:22	#3 (permalink)
*schford* RBW Founder Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	Re: Do you trust your vision ?? I agree with Mark - and I certainly don't see an increasing number of threads on here. I would expect to see a few more than other units simply because of the fact that there are more Visions out there than every other unit combined. Stuart __________________ Bailout and Kit Management account for Murphy's Law The only bad question is one you did not ask and later wish you had. Use of RBW is subject to the Rebreather World Terms & Conditions of Use
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17th April 2007, 11:51	#4 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,946	Re: Do you trust your vision ?? Since the Vision is does more, there are more areas for things to go wrong? e.g. Classic + VR£ issues v's Vision issues That said, if you have no confidence in your unit, that's a bad thing, fair or not.
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17th April 2007, 11:55	#5 (permalink)
HelenM Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cheltenham Posts: 116	Re: Do you trust your vision ?? Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) more Visions out there than every other unit combined. Stuart More than Inspo Classics? I find that quite unlikely...? __________________ Would paper take tortoise?
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17th April 2007, 11:59	#6 (permalink)
colinicky RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: uk Posts: 682	Re: Do you trust your vision ?? If you trust your unit ( what ever it is ) with your life then why carry bailout ? Me I have a healthy respect that my vision will try killing me at some point because of something I have/have not done ,So I trust the unit (ish) but I dont trust myself so always carry bailout __________________ Colin I trust my rebreather completely , I just don't trust the user onwards & downwards
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17th April 2007, 12:09	#7 (permalink)
CharlieT Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London Posts: 449	Re: Do you trust your vision ?? The question has been put in an unfortunate way. No rebreather diver trusts his unit with his life and there have been many posts stating this. I certainly have confidence in my Vision but carry bail out gas on every dive, however shallow. The software issues appear to have been ironed out and the latest upgrade is another step forward with pre-dive battery testing etc. I had a VR3 from OC diving and prudence leads me to take the VR3 as a back up computer. Problems? I had problems on a dive on the Murree because I was using Panasonic batteries whilst awaiting a shipment of Fujitsus and I had the Missed Deco warning due to not holding the on button down for 3 secs or longer on another dive. I have had no leaks and my ADV has always worked properly. Is the 2007 Vision a perfect unit now? No but it's as good as anything else on the market with the added advantage of onboard deco management and the Temp stick. Charlie
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17th April 2007, 12:20	#8 (permalink)
Tom F. New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Herlev, Denmark Posts: 41	Re: Do you trust your vision ?? Quote: (Originally Posted by ajmtucke) Just a thought (as i dive a classic) so do you trust your vision ? any thoughts ash Yes I trust my Vision, in fact I trust my Vision a lot more than I trusted my Classic. Tom F.
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17th April 2007, 12:51	#9 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,867	Re: Do you trust your vision ?? Quote: (Originally Posted by CharlieT) The question has been put in an unfortunate way. No rebreather diver trusts his unit with his life and there have been many posts stating this. I certainly have confidence in my Vision but carry bail out gas on every dive, however shallow. The software issues appear to have been ironed out and the latest upgrade is another step forward with pre-dive battery testing etc. I had a VR3 from OC diving and prudence leads me to take the VR3 as a back up computer. Problems? I had problems on a dive on the Murree because I was using Panasonic batteries whilst awaiting a shipment of Fujitsus and I had the Missed Deco warning due to not holding the on button down for 3 secs or longer on another dive. I have had no leaks and my ADV has always worked properly. Is the 2007 Vision a perfect unit now? No but it's as good as anything else on the market with the added advantage of onboard deco management and the Temp stick. Charlie This is a very good point. What else is there on the market that compair with a Vision??? Not much. The Borris and the Optima with Hammer Head Controller are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head. They have had their fair share of problems as well. ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
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17th April 2007, 16:35	#10 (permalink)
nigelh New member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brighton, Sussex, UK Posts: 883	Re: Do you trust your vision ?? I'm one of the people who has a well reported incident on the Vision Electronics but I still dive the thing quite happily. I have a VR3 and that usually takes longer to clear but it isn't a plan to dive the VR3, I dive the most conservative and then some extra. __________________ nigelh
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