Bizarre Vision problem

Brainx3 · 3rd January 2008, 18:12

Hi,

Thank you guys for your replies. I wasn't really worried that it would happen during the dive as from what I read about the problem so far it is happening after storing the unit for a while and upon the first start up or so. I wouldn't dive the unit if I suspect any minor problem whatsoever. I was more concered about if this failure was happening to all vision electronics but someone clarified that it happened on the early versions of the Vision electronics which I really hope that there is no problem anymore. Please guys keep us posted about the updates.

Best Regards. Wael

PeteS · 3rd January 2008, 20:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by jepuskar)

Wael,

In my non-experienced opinion I would say that if it worries you...then visualize it happening during the dive and then visualize how you would handle the situation. Whether is relying on the HUD or bailing, etc..

From what I can tell this issue occurs when the electronics are first powered up so it shouldn't be too worrysome.

J

As you say, "non experienced opinion".

You claim to be here to "seek" information. That's fine, no problem, ask questions, but please don't pass opinions about what you have said you know little about.

**jepuskar** · 3rd January 2008, 20:54

PeteS,

What is wrong with stating this "In my non-experienced opinion I would say that if it worries you...then visualize it happening during the dive and then visualize how you would handle the situation. Whether is relying on the HUD or bailing, etc.."

You don't think that is good advice? If not, why don't you help educate me instead of berating my post as that doesnt really add anything to the topic does it??

**Gill Envy** · 3rd January 2008, 23:14

J, that credit card has been warming for quite some time now. You are obviously hungry to engage in conversation about something you have become fully fascinated with, that's great and I can relate to that. Perhaps it's time to throw down, choose a rig, get trained and have something to share from firsthand experience. Allowing time and experience to accumulate once trained and diving before going from the question phase to the advice/idea phase allows folks to receive one's ideas with more openness/interest.

this is not a dig on you, I just know how nerve racking it can be to make a final call and how tempting it is to share you're enthusiasm and ideas along the way but at some point, you just have to do it...thats when the fun really begins and you'll even get "fewer" of these pesky messages.

go for it! JUMP!

actually, take as long as you need... this is just some food for thought.

george

Quote: (Originally Posted by jepuskar)

PeteS,

What is wrong with stating this "In my non-experienced opinion I would say that if it worries you...then visualize it happening during the dive and then visualize how you would handle the situation. Whether is relying on the HUD or bailing, etc.."

You don't think that is good advice? If not, why don't you help educate me instead of berating my post as that doesnt really add anything to the topic does it??

PeteS · 4th January 2008, 09:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by jepuskar)

PeteS,

What is wrong with stating this "In my non-experienced opinion I would say that if it worries you...then visualize it happening during the dive and then visualize how you would handle the situation. Whether is relying on the HUD or bailing, etc.."

You don't think that is good advice? If not, why don't you help educate me instead of berating my post as that doesnt really add anything to the topic does it??

Good or bad advice? It doesn't matter, you are now offering advice on subjects you state that you know little about. We are all entitled to an opinion, but the trouble is that someone else may look at your posting, look at the number of posts you've done and assume you know what you are talking about. When according to your profile, you don't even dive on an Rebreather, let alone own one.

Anyway, we are now well off topic, so I suggest that you get out that credit card, buy an Rebreather, get trained, AND GO DIVING. Then come back and tell us how you got on.

Until then, welcome to my ignore list.

Added as a result of a red blob for this post:- Jepuskar, please don't call me a dickhead when you report my postings. If you wish to insult me, do it in public.

**jepuskar** · 4th January 2008, 16:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gill Envy)

J, that credit card has been warming for quite some time now. You are obviously hungry to engage in conversation about something you have become fully fascinated with, that's great and I can relate to that. Perhaps it's time to throw down, choose a rig, get trained and have something to share from firsthand experience. Allowing time and experience to accumulate once trained and diving before going from the question phase to the advice/idea phase allows folks to receive one's ideas with more openness/interest.

this is not a dig on you, I just know how nerve racking it can be to make a final call and how tempting it is to share you're enthusiasm and ideas along the way but at some point, you just have to do it...thats when the fun really begins and you'll even get "fewer" of these pesky messages.

go for it! JUMP!

actually, take as long as you need... this is just some food for thought.

george

George,

I appreciate the remarks from your standpoint.

As far as Pete goes, I was giving advice as a fellow diver..it wasnt CCR specific. What I did mention about the problem as I have read before on here was corrected as I didnt realize it got worse the longer it was powered on. The person who I commented to seemed to appreciate the remarks. But nonetheless I see what is going on here and I read the message loud and clear.

colinicky · 5th January 2008, 21:22

There is also another instance when the LCD looses lines on the display :- this occurred on mine during my Mod 2/3 course . As soon as I got to 50m I started to loose lines of the display !
The problem occurs on a certain batch of replacement LCD's which were produced to solve the " sunburst/sunspot " problem (This according to Tony at AP ).
The new displays had some components potted to close to the screen & at certain depth there was enough water pressure to force the screen onto the component causing the lose of lines .
My head was sent to AP on the Tuesday & I had it back in my hands late Friday afternoon same week so I cannot fault AP on any of the service I have had .

SSue · 5th January 2008, 21:55

ooh this is scary! I don't want to upset anyone but I fear I might. The suggestion made about rehearsing problems is a sound one from a NLP (Neuro linguistic programming) standpoint. This could be dismissed as psychobabble but the basic premise is this: If you worry about what could go wrong too much you will actually mentally rehearse this scenario in yourmind and having rehearsed it you will be more likey to make it happen. What you should actually do is rehearse what steps you will take if a problem occurs, or even what you should be doing if everything is occuring as it should.

I'm a very new rebreather diver and not that an experienced OC diver but since my first dives ever I have often tried to mentally rehearse procedures when out of the water even on the way to a dive. To give an example at the risk of making this too long winded when I first dived in a drysuit and it was a new addition to my kit I visualised myself descending and adding air to my suit to prevent squeeze. This was in the car (I wasn't driving) on my way to using my drysuit in the sea for the first time as I was scared I'd forget. Instead of worrying about what would/could go wrong I mentally practised what I should be doing. My hand even moved vaguely towards my non existant drysuit inflator in the car.

Now as a new CCR diver I may mentally practise a dil flush or adding air to my loop just to make it a bit more comfortable on a dive. NOTHING is a substitute for real experience and drill but a mental rehearsal of correct procedure can't be a bad thing and amy just be a good thing.

I'll shut up now!!!!

3rd January 2008, 18:12	#21 (permalink)
Brainx3 Totally Submerged Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: International Waters Posts: 312	Re: Bizarre Vision problem Hi, Thank you guys for your replies. I wasn't really worried that it would happen during the dive as from what I read about the problem so far it is happening after storing the unit for a while and upon the first start up or so. I wouldn't dive the unit if I suspect any minor problem whatsoever. I was more concered about if this failure was happening to all vision electronics but someone clarified that it happened on the early versions of the Vision electronics which I really hope that there is no problem anymore. Please guys keep us posted about the updates. Best Regards. Wael __________________ The depth of life cannot be measured in Bars, nor can the sea of lies, that lies within. Sooner or later I'll be cracking your market and end your game. *I don't take crap for an answer...*
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3rd January 2008, 20:17	#22 (permalink)
PeteS Consent Issued! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 544	Re: Bizarre Vision problem Quote: (Originally Posted by jepuskar) Wael, In my non-experienced opinion I would say that if it worries you...then visualize it happening during the dive and then visualize how you would handle the situation. Whether is relying on the HUD or bailing, etc.. From what I can tell this issue occurs when the electronics are first powered up so it shouldn't be too worrysome. J As you say, "non experienced opinion". You claim to be here to "seek" information. That's fine, no problem, ask questions, but please don't pass opinions about what you have said you know little about. __________________ Pete S. http://www.steggle.co.nz Every silver lining has a cloud
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3rd January 2008, 20:54	#23 (permalink)
jepuskar NA Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 397	Re: Bizarre Vision problem PeteS, What is wrong with stating this "In my non-experienced opinion I would say that if it worries you...then visualize it happening during the dive and then visualize how you would handle the situation. Whether is relying on the HUD or bailing, etc.." You don't think that is good advice? If not, why don't you help educate me instead of berating my post as that doesnt really add anything to the topic does it??
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3rd January 2008, 23:14	#24 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Divers Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,348	Re: Bizarre Vision problem J, that credit card has been warming for quite some time now. You are obviously hungry to engage in conversation about something you have become fully fascinated with, that's great and I can relate to that. Perhaps it's time to throw down, choose a rig, get trained and have something to share from firsthand experience. Allowing time and experience to accumulate once trained and diving before going from the question phase to the advice/idea phase allows folks to receive one's ideas with more openness/interest. this is not a dig on you, I just know how nerve racking it can be to make a final call and how tempting it is to share you're enthusiasm and ideas along the way but at some point, you just have to do it...thats when the fun really begins and you'll even get "fewer" of these pesky messages. go for it! JUMP! actually, take as long as you need... this is just some food for thought. george Quote: (Originally Posted by jepuskar) PeteS, What is wrong with stating this "In my non-experienced opinion I would say that if it worries you...then visualize it happening during the dive and then visualize how you would handle the situation. Whether is relying on the HUD or bailing, etc.." You don't think that is good advice? If not, why don't you help educate me instead of berating my post as that doesnt really add anything to the topic does it?? __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°> Last edited by Gill Envy : 4th January 2008 at 03:59.
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4th January 2008, 09:51	#25 (permalink)
PeteS Consent Issued! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 544	Re: Bizarre Vision problem Quote: (Originally Posted by jepuskar) PeteS, What is wrong with stating this "In my non-experienced opinion I would say that if it worries you...then visualize it happening during the dive and then visualize how you would handle the situation. Whether is relying on the HUD or bailing, etc.." You don't think that is good advice? If not, why don't you help educate me instead of berating my post as that doesnt really add anything to the topic does it?? Good or bad advice? It doesn't matter, you are now offering advice on subjects you state that you know little about. We are all entitled to an opinion, but the trouble is that someone else may look at your posting, look at the number of posts you've done and assume you know what you are talking about. When according to your profile, you don't even dive on an Rebreather, let alone own one. Anyway, we are now well off topic, so I suggest that you get out that credit card, buy an Rebreather, get trained, AND GO DIVING. Then come back and tell us how you got on. Until then, welcome to my ignore list. Added as a result of a red blob for this post:- Jepuskar, please don't call me a dickhead when you report my postings. If you wish to insult me, do it in public. __________________ Pete S. http://www.steggle.co.nz Every silver lining has a cloud Last edited by PeteS : 5th January 2008 at 00:45. Reason: Adding red blob reason.....
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4th January 2008, 16:16	#26 (permalink)
jepuskar NA Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 397	Re: Bizarre Vision problem Quote: (Originally Posted by Gill Envy) J, that credit card has been warming for quite some time now. You are obviously hungry to engage in conversation about something you have become fully fascinated with, that's great and I can relate to that. Perhaps it's time to throw down, choose a rig, get trained and have something to share from firsthand experience. Allowing time and experience to accumulate once trained and diving before going from the question phase to the advice/idea phase allows folks to receive one's ideas with more openness/interest. this is not a dig on you, I just know how nerve racking it can be to make a final call and how tempting it is to share you're enthusiasm and ideas along the way but at some point, you just have to do it...thats when the fun really begins and you'll even get "fewer" of these pesky messages. go for it! JUMP! actually, take as long as you need... this is just some food for thought. george George, I appreciate the remarks from your standpoint. As far as Pete goes, I was giving advice as a fellow diver..it wasnt CCR specific. What I did mention about the problem as I have read before on here was corrected as I didnt realize it got worse the longer it was powered on. The person who I commented to seemed to appreciate the remarks. But nonetheless I see what is going on here and I read the message loud and clear.
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5th January 2008, 21:22	#27 (permalink)
colinicky RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: uk Posts: 682	Re: Bizarre Vision problem There is also another instance when the LCD looses lines on the display :- this occurred on mine during my Mod 2/3 course . As soon as I got to 50m I started to loose lines of the display ! The problem occurs on a certain batch of replacement LCD's which were produced to solve the " sunburst/sunspot " problem (This according to Tony at AP ). The new displays had some components potted to close to the screen & at certain depth there was enough water pressure to force the screen onto the component causing the lose of lines . My head was sent to AP on the Tuesday & I had it back in my hands late Friday afternoon same week so I cannot fault AP on any of the service I have had . __________________ Colin I trust my rebreather completely , I just don't trust the user onwards & downwards
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5th January 2008, 21:55	#28 (permalink)
SSue New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 4	Re: Bizarre Vision problem ooh this is scary! I don't want to upset anyone but I fear I might. The suggestion made about rehearsing problems is a sound one from a NLP (Neuro linguistic programming) standpoint. This could be dismissed as psychobabble but the basic premise is this: If you worry about what could go wrong too much you will actually mentally rehearse this scenario in yourmind and having rehearsed it you will be more likey to make it happen. What you should actually do is rehearse what steps you will take if a problem occurs, or even what you should be doing if everything is occuring as it should. I'm a very new rebreather diver and not that an experienced OC diver but since my first dives ever I have often tried to mentally rehearse procedures when out of the water even on the way to a dive. To give an example at the risk of making this too long winded when I first dived in a drysuit and it was a new addition to my kit I visualised myself descending and adding air to my suit to prevent squeeze. This was in the car (I wasn't driving) on my way to using my drysuit in the sea for the first time as I was scared I'd forget. Instead of worrying about what would/could go wrong I mentally practised what I should be doing. My hand even moved vaguely towards my non existant drysuit inflator in the car. Now as a new CCR diver I may mentally practise a dil flush or adding air to my loop just to make it a bit more comfortable on a dive. NOTHING is a substitute for real experience and drill but a mental rehearsal of correct procedure can't be a bad thing and amy just be a good thing. I'll shut up now!!!!
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