Bizarre Vision problem

pabusk · 1st May 2007, 08:40

Just test-dived the new software this weekend ... no problems at all, liked the battery prechecks to see what thay are actually doing when the system uses it's biggest power users.

Lets see what it does next dive when it'll be a bit deeper than 25 meters.

Cheers,
Paul

Dennis · 7th May 2007, 23:01

Have now received the head back from AP. The screen was relaced under warranty, and a basic service carried out as requested. They even replaced a plastic loop that had snapped on one of the handset straps! No clues from AP as to why it happened though - I was told it was just a faulty display screen.

Dennis

Tom F. · 26th December 2007, 09:29

I have the same problem as described here!

Last dive prior to the problem was 10/12-2007. So the unit have been stored for 2½ month

24/12-2007
I prepared my rebreather for a Christmas dive and found that 4 vertical lines was missing from the display, after a few seconds one of the lines reappeared.

25/12-2007 - Morning
When I started my rebreather to prepare for the dive, I found that there was still 3 vertical lines missing, but now there was also 3 horizontal lines missing.

After the dive I dissembled my rebreather at dried the head as usual.

Afternoon:
I started my Rebreather to see if there still was a problem with the display. And found that approx. half the vertical and horizontal lines was missing.

See picture:

Vision Problem001.jpg

I took the batteries out to se if that would help, but no luck.

I the searched Rebreatherworld to se if others have had the same problem and found this tread.

I guess I have to send my head to AP after the Christmas :-(

The unit is 2 years and one month old, but I hope AP will fix it free of charge as in DaveB's case.

Merry Christmas

Tom F.

DaveB · 29th December 2007, 11:49

After getting one of our evo's repaired earlier in the year (and this thread) the second one had the same error - and AP have again repaired it under warranty. I understand that there was a component issue in some early units, and therefore the repair should be permanent as that component is replaced. Full marks to AP.

jknights · 29th December 2007, 12:24

I dont know what's causing these Evo problems but it makes me think that I'm glad I didnt lash out on the Evo upgrade as my Classic unit and Classic + HammerHead seem to be more or less trouble free. I do wish that the Classic handsets were unpluggable but I can live without that.

DaveB · 2nd January 2008, 10:56

There are some who feel strongly that the bugs reported in software and hardware on the Vision units are unacceptable. I'm not one of them. With 2 of the earliest Evolutions in the family Clare & I have had 3 hardware and one software glitch (over a lot of hours diving). The hardware glitches were a burn spot on the screen - fading HUD LED's and the latest pixel problems. All these have been repaired speedily and under warranty by AP. The software glitch was the confusing MISSED DECO saga which was fixed by a routine software upgrade - oh and I press the left hand button down for a good 2 seconds rather than brushing it.

None of these snags were at all risky - even the missed deco error only resulted in extra safety.

I do not expect my unit to be perfect all the time - in fact I regularly practice it breaking. However, my overriding feeling after 2 1/2 years diving the Evolution is one of trust based on experience. I also much prefer the display, realtime deco and temp stick of the vision over the classic.

Didn't mean to rant - but these are great pieces of kit.

Quote: (Originally Posted by jknights)

I dont know what's causing these Evo problems but it makes me think that I'm glad I didnt lash out on the Evo upgrade as my Classic unit and Classic + HammerHead seem to be more or less trouble free. I do wish that the Classic handsets were unpluggable but I can live without that.

Brainx3 · 2nd January 2008, 17:17

Hi,

Anyone is getting any logical reasons from APD regarding the display problems? I'm interested to know whether the problem is happening with a certain software version or if this is a common problem in the machine itself. I got my Vision electronics about 3 months ago and this issue has started to worry me a bit.

If someone knows something then please share with us.

Best Regards. Wael

DaveB · 2nd January 2008, 20:51

Please read my post 4 up from this. I understand from AP that this was a component issue from early visions. As your's is only 3 months old you shouldn't have a problem.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Brainx3)

Hi,

Anyone is getting any logical reasons from APD regarding the display problems? I'm interested to know whether the problem is happening with a certain software version or if this is a common problem in the machine itself. I got my Vision electronics about 3 months ago and this issue has started to worry me a bit.

If someone knows something then please share with us.

Best Regards. Wael

**jepuskar** · 2nd January 2008, 21:22

Quote: (Originally Posted by Brainx3)

I got my Vision electronics about 3 months ago and this issue has started to worry me a bit.

Best Regards. Wael

Wael,

In my non-experienced opinion I would say that if it worries you...then visualize it happening during the dive and then visualize how you would handle the situation. Whether is relying on the HUD or bailing, etc..

From what I can tell this issue occurs when the electronics are first powered up so it shouldn't be too worrysome.

J

camerone · 3rd January 2008, 00:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by jepuskar)

From what I can tell this issue occurs when the electronics are first powered up so it shouldn't be too worrysome.

From my first-hand experience, it may start when the electronics are powered up, but it will get worse (rapidly) over a short period of time. At first, it was just one row of pixels, but by the end, the screen was totally fubar'd to the point of essentially being unreadable, although having a lot of hours means that certain things can be inferred, even with missing pixels.

On the other hand, it is just a display issue. The HUD and setpoint controllers actually continue to function fine, and it's possible to manipulate the setpoint, even, using the handset, or shut down the system entirely if you so wish.

Here's to hoping mine gets fixed as a warranty repair

1st May 2007, 08:40	#11 (permalink)
pabusk Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Holland Posts: 133	Re: Bizarre Vision problem Just test-dived the new software this weekend ... no problems at all, liked the battery prechecks to see what thay are actually doing when the system uses it's biggest power users. Lets see what it does next dive when it'll be a bit deeper than 25 meters. Cheers, Paul
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7th May 2007, 23:01	#12 (permalink)
Dennis New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 17	Re: Bizarre Vision problem Have now received the head back from AP. The screen was relaced under warranty, and a basic service carried out as requested. They even replaced a plastic loop that had snapped on one of the handset straps! No clues from AP as to why it happened though - I was told it was just a faulty display screen. Dennis
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26th December 2007, 09:29	#13 (permalink)
Tom F. New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Herlev, Denmark Posts: 41	Re: Bizarre Vision problem I have the same problem as described here! Last dive prior to the problem was 10/12-2007. So the unit have been stored for 2½ month 24/12-2007 I prepared my rebreather for a Christmas dive and found that 4 vertical lines was missing from the display, after a few seconds one of the lines reappeared. 25/12-2007 - Morning When I started my rebreather to prepare for the dive, I found that there was still 3 vertical lines missing, but now there was also 3 horizontal lines missing. After the dive I dissembled my rebreather at dried the head as usual. Afternoon: I started my Rebreather to see if there still was a problem with the display. And found that approx. half the vertical and horizontal lines was missing. See picture: Vision Problem001.jpg I took the batteries out to se if that would help, but no luck. I the searched Rebreatherworld to se if others have had the same problem and found this tread. I guess I have to send my head to AP after the Christmas :-( The unit is 2 years and one month old, but I hope AP will fix it free of charge as in DaveB's case. Merry Christmas Tom F.
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29th December 2007, 11:49	#14 (permalink)
DaveB RBW Writer Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belper, Derbyshire, UK Posts: 89	Re: Bizarre Vision problem After getting one of our evo's repaired earlier in the year (and this thread) the second one had the same error - and AP have again repaired it under warranty. I understand that there was a component issue in some early units, and therefore the repair should be permanent as that component is replaced. Full marks to AP. __________________ David
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29th December 2007, 12:24	#15 (permalink)
jknights New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Oliva, Valencia, Spain. Posts: 121	Re: Bizarre Vision problem I dont know what's causing these Evo problems but it makes me think that I'm glad I didnt lash out on the Evo upgrade as my Classic unit and Classic + HammerHead seem to be more or less trouble free. I do wish that the Classic handsets were unpluggable but I can live without that.
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2nd January 2008, 10:56	#16 (permalink)
DaveB RBW Writer Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belper, Derbyshire, UK Posts: 89	Re: Bizarre Vision problem There are some who feel strongly that the bugs reported in software and hardware on the Vision units are unacceptable. I'm not one of them. With 2 of the earliest Evolutions in the family Clare & I have had 3 hardware and one software glitch (over a lot of hours diving). The hardware glitches were a burn spot on the screen - fading HUD LED's and the latest pixel problems. All these have been repaired speedily and under warranty by AP. The software glitch was the confusing MISSED DECO saga which was fixed by a routine software upgrade - oh and I press the left hand button down for a good 2 seconds rather than brushing it. None of these snags were at all risky - even the missed deco error only resulted in extra safety. I do not expect my unit to be perfect all the time - in fact I regularly practice it breaking. However, my overriding feeling after 2 1/2 years diving the Evolution is one of trust based on experience. I also much prefer the display, realtime deco and temp stick of the vision over the classic. Didn't mean to rant - but these are great pieces of kit. Quote: (Originally Posted by jknights) I dont know what's causing these Evo problems but it makes me think that I'm glad I didnt lash out on the Evo upgrade as my Classic unit and Classic + HammerHead seem to be more or less trouble free. I do wish that the Classic handsets were unpluggable but I can live without that. __________________ David
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2nd January 2008, 17:17	#17 (permalink)
Brainx3 Totally Submerged Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: International Waters Posts: 312	Re: Bizarre Vision problem Hi, Anyone is getting any logical reasons from APD regarding the display problems? I'm interested to know whether the problem is happening with a certain software version or if this is a common problem in the machine itself. I got my Vision electronics about 3 months ago and this issue has started to worry me a bit. If someone knows something then please share with us. Best Regards. Wael
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2nd January 2008, 20:51	#18 (permalink)
DaveB RBW Writer Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belper, Derbyshire, UK Posts: 89	Re: Bizarre Vision problem Please read my post 4 up from this. I understand from AP that this was a component issue from early visions. As your's is only 3 months old you shouldn't have a problem. Quote: (Originally Posted by Brainx3) Hi, Anyone is getting any logical reasons from APD regarding the display problems? I'm interested to know whether the problem is happening with a certain software version or if this is a common problem in the machine itself. I got my Vision electronics about 3 months ago and this issue has started to worry me a bit. If someone knows something then please share with us. Best Regards. Wael __________________ David
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2nd January 2008, 21:22	#19 (permalink)
jepuskar NA Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 397	Re: Bizarre Vision problem Quote: (Originally Posted by Brainx3) I got my Vision electronics about 3 months ago and this issue has started to worry me a bit. Best Regards. Wael Wael, In my non-experienced opinion I would say that if it worries you...then visualize it happening during the dive and then visualize how you would handle the situation. Whether is relying on the HUD or bailing, etc.. From what I can tell this issue occurs when the electronics are first powered up so it shouldn't be too worrysome. J
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3rd January 2008, 00:24	#20 (permalink)
camerone RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 79	Re: Bizarre Vision problem Quote: (Originally Posted by jepuskar) From what I can tell this issue occurs when the electronics are first powered up so it shouldn't be too worrysome. From my first-hand experience, it may start when the electronics are powered up, but it will get worse (rapidly) over a short period of time. At first, it was just one row of pixels, but by the end, the screen was totally fubar'd to the point of essentially being unreadable, although having a lot of hours means that certain things can be inferred, even with missing pixels. On the other hand, it is just a display issue. The HUD and setpoint controllers actually continue to function fine, and it's possible to manipulate the setpoint, even, using the handset, or shut down the system entirely if you so wish. Here's to hoping mine gets fixed as a warranty repair
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