Have anyone ever seen this before??!!?

dieseldyret · 18th February 2007, 23:26

Took my newly purchased (used) classic scrubber out for a spin the other day. I thoght I was going diving....but noooo.

Now first, what is wrong with this picture?
Display dysleksi 020.jpg

Confirm what...?
Display dysleksi 012.jpg

AP who???
Display dysleksi 017.jpg

No comment
Display dysleksi 009.jpg

Yepp...you just take a nap, thats fine..
Display dysleksi 006.jpg

The unit is three years old.
It runs butifully in temperatures ubove zero. When exposed to cold the sequence ubove takes place. When taken indoors the process reverses.

I would like to know everything anyone of you may know about this....

AndyMumford · 19th February 2007, 18:22

Hiya,

At a guess I would say that you might have water in the handsets

richie · 19th February 2007, 21:18

i had the slave say swave during a dive , rang nicky in ap and she said to send it back straight away something to do with cold water and slowing of electronics. the unit had only done 15 hrs

dieseldyret · 19th February 2007, 22:56

Quote: (Originally Posted by richie)

i had the slave say swave during a dive , rang nicky in ap and she said to send it back straight away something to do with cold water and slowing of electronics. the unit had only done 15 hrs

I'm in dialogue with her now.
Did you have to pay for the repair?

divetheworld · 19th February 2007, 23:37

I got mine out, couldnt find the Welsh language option so it must be tom ducked.

Water in the handset is most probable, why is the question.
Cracked handsets are not that expensive but the replacement computers are £165-ish each.
I sent mine in for a £35 service as they were working perfectly. ended up £524-00
Was not happy.

I would strongly suggest you check them over and take detailed pictures in respect to cracks. Search the board for similar cases and read them carefully.
Have you tried drying out the handsets incase it is moisture that has wicked up into the casings?
Water expands when frozen which might be causing it.

If it is as bad as mine was, it might be a better option to replace the electronics. If that is the case, give me an email.

richie · 20th February 2007, 15:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by dieseldyret)

I'm in dialogue with her now.
Did you have to pay for the repair?

Na didnt pay and they reimburse me for the shipping with a pocket and some buddy clean.

. i had only done 20 hrs in total in say a month of getting the unit new and that was the second time i had to send my head back, the first time was on the course master kept turning of and would not come back on. i think it was something to do with battery box?
cheers richie

AD_ward9 · 20th February 2007, 17:25

I have seen that before on displays.

It is not "cracked handsets", as the back of the display and electronics are potted in gel. There are three possible causes for it, and I think you have number 3:

1. The bus timing is out between the display module and the processor. Usually that causes much worse problems than shown here: the whole display shows rubbish and fancy characters.

2. Flash memory is an amazingly dodgy technology that works. That is, until it gets cold or old, or both. Data can misread. Programs can misread.
There are good Flash devices and poor Flash devices. Good processors and poor processors.

In this case, this is not the likely cause. APD advised me they added a checksum check for the memory in 2001, but there are some areas not checked. You have single bit errors, or one output from one line, down. If you got that number of single bit errors, the processor would probably not get through its sequence as it does because the program is stored in the same memory.

3. Same problem in the ROM in the display character lookup ROM. The display module ROM has a bad I/O pin. Usually these are ROMs not Flash PROMS, but a line has a weak driver in the ROM. Fixing Needs to replace the module. This is an electronics replacement. Once it starts when cold, it generally gets worse.

UKP 165 for replacement handsets is a good price. APD are probably not making a huge margin on that.

Alex

faulty producing

Quote: (Originally Posted by dieseldyret)

Took my newly purchased (used) classic scrubber out for a spin the other day. I thoght I was going diving....but noooo.

Now first, what is wrong with this picture?
Attachment 3754

Confirm what...?
Attachment 3755

AP who???
Attachment 3756

No comment
Attachment 3757

Yepp...you just take a nap, thats fine..
Attachment 3758

The unit is three years old.
It runs butifully in temperatures ubove zero. When exposed to cold the sequence ubove takes place. When taken indoors the process reverses.

I would like to know everything anyone of you may know about this....

tflaris · 21st February 2007, 03:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by dieseldyret)

Took my newly purchased (used) classic scrubber out for a spin the other day. I thoght I was going diving....but noooo.

Now first, what is wrong with this picture?
Attachment 3754

Confirm what...?
Attachment 3755

AP who???
Attachment 3756

No comment
Attachment 3757

Yepp...you just take a nap, thats fine..
Attachment 3758

The unit is three years old.
It runs butifully in temperatures ubove zero. When exposed to cold the sequence ubove takes place. When taken indoors the process reverses.

I would like to know everything anyone of you may know about this....

I would suggest taking your Rebreather to a warm tropical dive location for some much needed R&R.

vbsandvik · 21st February 2007, 18:50

Yep...
Had it on my own Inspo when it was freezing cold =>
-5 Celcius and down.

The display is LCD - Liquid Crystal Display- and when it's getting cold the crystals "freeze's", it's getting slow and don't work properly.

Once I just tested it, NB! Got a Vr3 on 4th cell, after some while in the water, the displays was warmed up and worked properly again.

So when it's cold i Norway, get some golfclub-protectors of neopren, put in a warming pad, those with chemical reaction before diving, that I think will work.

Best Regards

Vegard

Vestlending som ikkje var so ofte plaga med kuldegrader, og no har gått over til Meg.

AD_ward9 · 21st February 2007, 18:56

Sorry to disagree, but when cold the LCD itself simply loses its contrast.

The effect here is the wrong characters come out of the ROM, as if the wrong characters are looked up. Display contrast is fine.

Alex

Quote: (Originally Posted by vbsandvik)

Yep...
Had it on my own Inspo when it was freezing cold =>
-5 Celcius and down.

The display is LCD - Liquid Crystal Display- and when it's getting cold the crystals "freeze's", it's getting slow and don't work properly.

Once I just tested it, NB! Got a Vr3 on 4th cell, after some while in the water, the displays was warmed up and worked properly again.

So when it's cold i Norway, get some golfclub-protectors of neopren, put in a warming pad, those with chemical reaction before diving, that I think will work.

Best Regards

Vegard

Vestlending som ikkje var so ofte plaga med kuldegrader, og no har gått over til Meg.

18th February 2007, 23:26	#1 (permalink)
dieseldyret New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Moss, Norway Posts: 20	Have anyone ever seen this before??!!? Took my newly purchased (used) classic scrubber out for a spin the other day. I thoght I was going diving....but noooo. Now first, what is wrong with this picture? Display dysleksi 020.jpg Confirm what...? Display dysleksi 012.jpg AP who??? Display dysleksi 017.jpg No comment Display dysleksi 009.jpg Yepp...you just take a nap, thats fine.. Display dysleksi 006.jpg The unit is three years old. It runs butifully in temperatures ubove zero. When exposed to cold the sequence ubove takes place. When taken indoors the process reverses. I would like to know everything anyone of you may know about this.... __________________ Regards Kjetil Vea Moss, Norway
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19th February 2007, 18:22	#2 (permalink)
AndyMumford New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 81	Re: Have anyone ever seen this before??!!? Hiya, At a guess I would say that you might have water in the handsets __________________ Cheers Andy Mumford TDI Megalodon Instructor www.megalodon-uk.com www.deepdiving.co.uk
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19th February 2007, 21:18	#3 (permalink)
richie New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ireland Posts: 86	Re: Have anyone ever seen this before??!!? i had the slave say swave during a dive , rang nicky in ap and she said to send it back straight away something to do with cold water and slowing of electronics. the unit had only done 15 hrs
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19th February 2007, 22:56	#4 (permalink)
dieseldyret New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Moss, Norway Posts: 20	Re: Have anyone ever seen this before??!!? Quote: (Originally Posted by richie) i had the slave say swave during a dive , rang nicky in ap and she said to send it back straight away something to do with cold water and slowing of electronics. the unit had only done 15 hrs I'm in dialogue with her now. Did you have to pay for the repair? __________________ Regards Kjetil Vea Moss, Norway
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19th February 2007, 23:37	#5 (permalink)
divetheworld Dive porn pimp Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,629	Re: Have anyone ever seen this before??!!? I got mine out, couldnt find the Welsh language option so it must be tom ducked. Water in the handset is most probable, why is the question. Cracked handsets are not that expensive but the replacement computers are £165-ish each. I sent mine in for a £35 service as they were working perfectly. ended up £524-00 Was not happy. I would strongly suggest you check them over and take detailed pictures in respect to cracks. Search the board for similar cases and read them carefully. Have you tried drying out the handsets incase it is moisture that has wicked up into the casings? Water expands when frozen which might be causing it. If it is as bad as mine was, it might be a better option to replace the electronics. If that is the case, give me an email. __________________ Attitude and self praise is no reccomendation. Dont try to be a great man, just be a man and let history be the judge of you. *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe Last edited by divetheworld : 19th February 2007 at 23:42.
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20th February 2007, 15:50	#6 (permalink)
richie New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ireland Posts: 86	Re: Have anyone ever seen this before??!!? Quote: (Originally Posted by dieseldyret) I'm in dialogue with her now. Did you have to pay for the repair? Na didnt pay and they reimburse me for the shipping with a pocket and some buddy clean. . i had only done 20 hrs in total in say a month of getting the unit new and that was the second time i had to send my head back, the first time was on the course master kept turning of and would not come back on. i think it was something to do with battery box? cheers richie
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20th February 2007, 17:25	#7 (permalink)
AD_ward9 - Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,004	Re: Have anyone ever seen this before??!!? I have seen that before on displays. It is not "cracked handsets", as the back of the display and electronics are potted in gel. There are three possible causes for it, and I think you have number 3: 1. The bus timing is out between the display module and the processor. Usually that causes much worse problems than shown here: the whole display shows rubbish and fancy characters. 2. Flash memory is an amazingly dodgy technology that works. That is, until it gets cold or old, or both. Data can misread. Programs can misread. There are good Flash devices and poor Flash devices. Good processors and poor processors. In this case, this is not the likely cause. APD advised me they added a checksum check for the memory in 2001, but there are some areas not checked. You have single bit errors, or one output from one line, down. If you got that number of single bit errors, the processor would probably not get through its sequence as it does because the program is stored in the same memory. 3. Same problem in the ROM in the display character lookup ROM. The display module ROM has a bad I/O pin. Usually these are ROMs not Flash PROMS, but a line has a weak driver in the ROM. Fixing Needs to replace the module. This is an electronics replacement. Once it starts when cold, it generally gets worse. UKP 165 for replacement handsets is a good price. APD are probably not making a huge margin on that. Alex faulty producing Quote: (Originally Posted by dieseldyret) Took my newly purchased (used) classic scrubber out for a spin the other day. I thoght I was going diving....but noooo. Now first, what is wrong with this picture? Attachment 3754 Confirm what...? Attachment 3755 AP who??? Attachment 3756 No comment Attachment 3757 Yepp...you just take a nap, thats fine.. Attachment 3758 The unit is three years old. It runs butifully in temperatures ubove zero. When exposed to cold the sequence ubove takes place. When taken indoors the process reverses. I would like to know everything anyone of you may know about this.... Last edited by AD_ward9 : 20th February 2007 at 17:27.
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21st February 2007, 03:11	#8 (permalink)
tflaris God save the Queen Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Neptune Beach, Florida Posts: 273	Re: Have anyone ever seen this before??!!? Quote: (Originally Posted by dieseldyret) Took my newly purchased (used) classic scrubber out for a spin the other day. I thoght I was going diving....but noooo. Now first, what is wrong with this picture? Attachment 3754 Confirm what...? Attachment 3755 AP who??? Attachment 3756 No comment Attachment 3757 Yepp...you just take a nap, thats fine.. Attachment 3758 The unit is three years old. It runs butifully in temperatures ubove zero. When exposed to cold the sequence ubove takes place. When taken indoors the process reverses. I would like to know everything anyone of you may know about this.... I would suggest taking your Rebreather to a warm tropical dive location for some much needed R&R. __________________ "Except for this one, I have come to the conclusion that all generalizations are false" -Jim Hayes
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21st February 2007, 18:50	#9 (permalink)
vbsandvik RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bergen Posts: 43	Re: Have anyone ever seen this before??!!? Yep... Had it on my own Inspo when it was freezing cold => -5 Celcius and down. The display is LCD - Liquid Crystal Display- and when it's getting cold the crystals "freeze's", it's getting slow and don't work properly. Once I just tested it, NB! Got a Vr3 on 4th cell, after some while in the water, the displays was warmed up and worked properly again. So when it's cold i Norway, get some golfclub-protectors of neopren, put in a warming pad, those with chemical reaction before diving, that I think will work. Best Regards Vegard Vestlending som ikkje var so ofte plaga med kuldegrader, og no har gått over til Meg.
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21st February 2007, 18:56	#10 (permalink)
AD_ward9 - Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,004	Re: Have anyone ever seen this before??!!? Sorry to disagree, but when cold the LCD itself simply loses its contrast. The effect here is the wrong characters come out of the ROM, as if the wrong characters are looked up. Display contrast is fine. Alex Quote: (Originally Posted by vbsandvik) Yep... Had it on my own Inspo when it was freezing cold => -5 Celcius and down. The display is LCD - Liquid Crystal Display- and when it's getting cold the crystals "freeze's", it's getting slow and don't work properly. Once I just tested it, NB! Got a Vr3 on 4th cell, after some while in the water, the displays was warmed up and worked properly again. So when it's cold i Norway, get some golfclub-protectors of neopren, put in a warming pad, those with chemical reaction before diving, that I think will work. Best Regards Vegard Vestlending som ikkje var so ofte plaga med kuldegrader, og no har gått over til Meg.
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