Thinking about building my own...

***EBT*** · 16th August 2006, 13:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by lolwhat)

I wouldn't consider anything else in an environment that requires deco, should I go down that road.

Really?

Quote: (Originally Posted by lolwhat)

If I were penetrating wrecks or caves on OC, I would (of course) need to carry a shitload of gear. After trying out a set of doubles once, I needed groin surgery

, so I'm a fan of the lightest rig necessary; a CCR trumps doubles in this regard, hands down.

Actually, your average twins weigh about the same as a CCR. When you're doing stuff within normal intro tech limits, you'll carry less kit on OC compared to CC to maintain the same level of redundancy. (think bailouts)

At the end of the day though, if you've decided you want one and thats justification enough for you.... all well and good.

Personally I mix and match, sometimes dives suit OC better.

/Zak

decoweenie · 16th August 2006, 13:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT)

Actually, your average twins weigh about the same as a CCR.

Uhmmm... IMHO, it is not.

Quick example, if I strain hard, I could pick up my rig with 2 fingers. No way with even AL twinset.

lolwhat · 16th August 2006, 13:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT)

Really?

Unless I learn how to hold my breath for three hours at a stretch, I don't see what other options exist.

Could you elaborate?

***EBT*** · 16th August 2006, 13:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Uhmmm... IMHO, it is not.

Quick example, if I strain hard, I could pick up my rig with 2 fingers. No way with even AL twinset.

ok ok, so theres always exceptions... for most folks I see (uk coast), diving dry, in average CCR.... enough caveats?

@ lolwhat, read the original reply "When you're doing stuff within normal intro tech limits"

lolwhat · 16th August 2006, 15:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT)

read the original reply "When you're doing stuff within normal intro tech limits"

I should've explained myself better. I suppose that against a typical 80cf aluminum, even a Dolphin might not win the weight competition. However, the difference to me isn't so much that it rules out a rebreather, even when a bailout tank is factored in.

Scuba_Vixen · 17th August 2006, 00:36

I'm gonna cut to the chase here a bit, and tell you straight out what all these guys have been trying to get across to you, apparently without success, with reason and logical arguments.

If you continue along this "build it yourself, the hell with decent training" path, you're f*cking farm animal stupid and only the grace of God Himself will keep you alive long enough to possibly realize it.

I mean this whole thing makes as much sense as thinking one can design and fly their own aerobatic airplane, when they don't even plan to take flying lessons.

If you really need to create a DIY project Rebreather, convert a Dolphin, at least that's straight forward, parts are available, there are lots of them out there, Knowlegable support is very available, and at least SCR Dolphin training is something to build from, and it's available.

We've lost some extremely good Rebreather divers with scads of experience this year already.

You don't usually get a second chance to get it right the first time in this sport.

Darlene

Ken · 17th August 2006, 01:21

Quote: (Originally Posted by Scuba_Vixen)

I'm gonna cut to the chase here a bit, and tell you straight out what all these guys have been trying to get across to you, apparently without success, with reason and logical arguments.

If you continue along this "build it yourself, the hell with decent training" path, you're f*cking farm animal stupid and only the grace of God Himself will keep you alive long enough to possibly realize it.

Darlene

Darlene,

Thank you. As I posted earlier...comprehensive training is essential and sound / informed judgement even more so. This topic has bugged me enough that I am creating an elearning tool which I will share shortly. It allows instructors and users to determine whether they should pursue Rebreather diving. Cheers. Ken

lolwhat · 17th August 2006, 01:46

Scuba_Vixen,

Thank you for your honesty. I'm sorry that I touched a nerve re: the many lives that have been lost this year.

"Apparently without success" may be a bit of a stretch; my post at the end of page 2 mentioned that I was considering getting Dolphin training, since that is available here in town. In fact, that is what I've made up my mind to do. I've been in touch with a local CCR diver who's a homebuilder himself, as well as a CCR instructor; he may be able to show me the ropes if I homebuild after training.

Ken · 17th August 2006, 01:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by lolwhat)

Scuba_Vixen,

Thank you for your honesty. I'm sorry that I touched a nerve re: the many lives that have been lost this year.

"Apparently without success" may be a bit of a stretch; my post at the end of page 2 mentioned that I was considering getting Dolphin training, since that is available here in town. In fact, that is what I've made up my mind to do. I've been in touch with a local CCR diver who's a homebuilder himself, as well as a CCR instructor; he may be able to show me the ropes if I homebuild after training.

Dude...I am glad you are going for the training. Keep in mind that many of the senior members here have an extensive degree of experience with these units...and have an intimate knowledge of the darker side of these machines. These things are not to be trifled with. Additionally, as you progress in your knowledge it would be nice to actually know a little bit more about your experience vs. keeping this anonymity thing going.

Scuba_Vixen · 17th August 2006, 02:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by lolwhat)

Scuba_Vixen,

Thank you for your honesty. I'm sorry that I touched a nerve re: the many lives that have been lost this year.

"Apparently without success" may be a bit of a stretch; my post at the end of page 2 mentioned that I was considering getting Dolphin training, since that is available here in town. In fact, that is what I've made up my mind to do. I've been in touch with a local CCR diver who's a homebuilder himself, as well as a CCR instructor; he may be able to show me the ropes if I homebuild after training.

That sounds like an infinitly better path to follow.

Dolphin training will at least get you grounded in some basics. it will also familiarize you with the parts common to RBs, and how they interrelate. Once you know the Dolphin from the inside out, search all the threads and links here relative to dolphin conversions. You'll see that there are a lot of ways to skin that cat. Different builders used different plans of attack, study each and understand what the pros and cons of each may be.

The important thing, of course, is never stop coming to RBW. You just can't get better information than here.

Darlene

16th August 2006, 13:29	#21 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 2,111	Re: Thinking about building my own... Quote: (Originally Posted by lolwhat) I wouldn't consider anything else in an environment that requires deco, should I go down that road. Really? Quote: (Originally Posted by lolwhat) If I were penetrating wrecks or caves on OC, I would (of course) need to carry a shitload of gear. After trying out a set of doubles once, I needed groin surgery , so I'm a fan of the lightest rig necessary; a CCR trumps doubles in this regard, hands down. Actually, your average twins weigh about the same as a CCR. When you're doing stuff within normal intro tech limits, you'll carry less kit on OC compared to CC to maintain the same level of redundancy. (think bailouts) At the end of the day though, if you've decided you want one and thats justification enough for you.... all well and good. Personally I mix and match, sometimes dives suit OC better. /Zak __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! RBW Terms of service
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16th August 2006, 13:33	#22 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Thinking about building my own... Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT) Actually, your average twins weigh about the same as a CCR. Uhmmm... IMHO, it is not. Quick example, if I strain hard, I could pick up my rig with 2 fingers. No way with even AL twinset. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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16th August 2006, 13:43	#23 (permalink)
lolwhat New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 28	Re: Thinking about building my own... Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT) Really? Unless I learn how to hold my breath for three hours at a stretch, I don't see what other options exist. Could you elaborate?
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16th August 2006, 13:47	#24 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 2,111	Re: Thinking about building my own... Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Uhmmm... IMHO, it is not. Quick example, if I strain hard, I could pick up my rig with 2 fingers. No way with even AL twinset. ok ok, so theres always exceptions... for most folks I see (uk coast), diving dry, in average CCR.... enough caveats? @ lolwhat, read the original reply "When you're doing stuff within normal intro tech limits" __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! RBW Terms of service
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16th August 2006, 15:24	#25 (permalink)
lolwhat New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 28	Re: Thinking about building my own... Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT) read the original reply "When you're doing stuff within normal intro tech limits" I should've explained myself better. I suppose that against a typical 80cf aluminum, even a Dolphin might not win the weight competition. However, the difference to me isn't so much that it rules out a rebreather, even when a bailout tank is factored in.
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17th August 2006, 00:36	#26 (permalink)
Scuba_Vixen e/mCCR Dolphin Pilot Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: St. Croix USVI Posts: 557	Re: Thinking about building my own... I'm gonna cut to the chase here a bit, and tell you straight out what all these guys have been trying to get across to you, apparently without success, with reason and logical arguments. If you continue along this "build it yourself, the hell with decent training" path, you're f*cking farm animal stupid and only the grace of God Himself will keep you alive long enough to possibly realize it. I mean this whole thing makes as much sense as thinking one can design and fly their own aerobatic airplane, when they don't even plan to take flying lessons. If you really need to create a DIY project Rebreather, convert a Dolphin, at least that's straight forward, parts are available, there are lots of them out there, Knowlegable support is very available, and at least SCR Dolphin training is something to build from, and it's available. We've lost some extremely good Rebreather divers with scads of experience this year already. You don't usually get a second chance to get it right the first time in this sport. Darlene
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17th August 2006, 01:21	#27 (permalink)
Ken Team Torrent Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 331	Re: Thinking about building my own... Quote: (Originally Posted by Scuba_Vixen) I'm gonna cut to the chase here a bit, and tell you straight out what all these guys have been trying to get across to you, apparently without success, with reason and logical arguments. If you continue along this "build it yourself, the hell with decent training" path, you're f*cking farm animal stupid and only the grace of God Himself will keep you alive long enough to possibly realize it. Darlene Darlene, Thank you. As I posted earlier...comprehensive training is essential and sound / informed judgement even more so. This topic has bugged me enough that I am creating an elearning tool which I will share shortly. It allows instructors and users to determine whether they should pursue Rebreather diving. Cheers. Ken
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17th August 2006, 01:46	#28 (permalink)
lolwhat New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 28	Re: Thinking about building my own... Scuba_Vixen, Thank you for your honesty. I'm sorry that I touched a nerve re: the many lives that have been lost this year. "Apparently without success" may be a bit of a stretch; my post at the end of page 2 mentioned that I was considering getting Dolphin training, since that is available here in town. In fact, that is what I've made up my mind to do. I've been in touch with a local CCR diver who's a homebuilder himself, as well as a CCR instructor; he may be able to show me the ropes if I homebuild after training.
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17th August 2006, 01:57	#29 (permalink)
Ken Team Torrent Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 331	Re: Thinking about building my own... Quote: (Originally Posted by lolwhat) Scuba_Vixen, Thank you for your honesty. I'm sorry that I touched a nerve re: the many lives that have been lost this year. "Apparently without success" may be a bit of a stretch; my post at the end of page 2 mentioned that I was considering getting Dolphin training, since that is available here in town. In fact, that is what I've made up my mind to do. I've been in touch with a local CCR diver who's a homebuilder himself, as well as a CCR instructor; he may be able to show me the ropes if I homebuild after training. Dude...I am glad you are going for the training. Keep in mind that many of the senior members here have an extensive degree of experience with these units...and have an intimate knowledge of the darker side of these machines. These things are not to be trifled with. Additionally, as you progress in your knowledge it would be nice to actually know a little bit more about your experience vs. keeping this anonymity thing going.
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17th August 2006, 02:00	#30 (permalink)
Scuba_Vixen e/mCCR Dolphin Pilot Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: St. Croix USVI Posts: 557	Re: Thinking about building my own... Quote: (Originally Posted by lolwhat) Scuba_Vixen, Thank you for your honesty. I'm sorry that I touched a nerve re: the many lives that have been lost this year. "Apparently without success" may be a bit of a stretch; my post at the end of page 2 mentioned that I was considering getting Dolphin training, since that is available here in town. In fact, that is what I've made up my mind to do. I've been in touch with a local CCR diver who's a homebuilder himself, as well as a CCR instructor; he may be able to show me the ropes if I homebuild after training. That sounds like an infinitly better path to follow. Dolphin training will at least get you grounded in some basics. it will also familiarize you with the parts common to RBs, and how they interrelate. Once you know the Dolphin from the inside out, search all the threads and links here relative to dolphin conversions. You'll see that there are a lot of ways to skin that cat. Different builders used different plans of attack, study each and understand what the pros and cons of each may be. The important thing, of course, is never stop coming to RBW. You just can't get better information than here. Darlene
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