el cheapo hoses

denzel · 7th July 2006, 20:07

Been my old cheap self again and bought a pair of breathing hoses from hong kong. Offered on ebay "kiss/ inspo/ homebuild breathing hoses, on a "buy now" offer. Quite cheap. They got delivered promptly, and do look and feel like breathing hoses. Only they smell like a servo.
They stink. My mother picked them up from the postoffice, where they we're happy to see the back off them. When I went over to mums for coffee and said hoses, she frowned at me, thanked me profoundly for having them send to her address, pointed at the parcel laying outside and advised me to open my car windows.
After coming home I threw them in dish water for an hour, but that didn't help. For soaking I trew them in the pond for a day, and ended up with 2 dead fish. So back into dish water, and rinsed them and left them in the shed for a week.

By now, the smell is less, but still noticable. I don't think it might be the best of ideas to take them diving yet....
Any ideas what to do with them to get rid of the smell?
Not ready to bin them.

Denz.

Dutchy · 7th July 2006, 21:10

Sounds like an aromate to me....(a hydrocarbons, like benzene, toluene and the likes), maybe used in production phase to prevent the material from becomming to stiff or even brittle. You could try to evaporate it. Put it in the sun for a while and see what happens. The weather in Holland is just right at the moment.

denzel · 16th July 2006, 22:14

Dutchy,

You are right with the aromates.
Well, a few weeks further, hoses have been in the garden since then, the smell is still noticable.
Any one any idea what to do with them, other then to dump them?
Or would it be safe to dive them, since it's just a faint smell......

Denz.

E-man · 16th July 2006, 23:36

I'd ditch them...I wouldn't want to be breathing a loop off gassing that crap...

bendomatic · 17th July 2006, 04:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by denzel)

Dutchy,

You are right with the aromates.
Well, a few weeks further, hoses have been in the garden since then, the smell is still noticable.
Any one any idea what to do with them, other then to dump them?
Or would it be safe to dive them, since it's just a faint smell......

Denz.

hey Denz, you should get Emz to give you a slap across the face from me!

What did you teach your OW students about checking for "air that smells funny"? I hope you told them not to use it. Why? its effect only gets worse at depth. Same principle.
stop being a tightarse, write it off as a bad buy, and get yourself some hoses from a more reputable source.

see ya
rachel

Dutchy · 17th July 2006, 14:50

http://www.dot.state.ny.us/progs/safety/sb-94-7a.html

Read the first lines and you'll know why not to use them.... Other arromates have similar effects or worse (with dioxine being the most infamous I guess)...
My hope was in surface application only but I guess it's worse than that.

Genesis · 27th July 2006, 21:45

I ordered a pair of these too... but mine don't stink!

Hmmmm........maybe yours were contaminated somehow? Mine were in sealed plastic bags, and had no appreciable odor - no more than the O2ptima hoses that I have.....

denzel · 27th July 2006, 22:24

Mmmm, yours don't smell eh?

Mine were also packed in plasic bags, but even a lead case wouldn't have stopped that smell!

But a week or 2 later again, and the smell is virtually gone.

Will leave them in the garden a few weeks more, and take them to brisney land to be checked out by Bendomatic herself, in order to avoid any more slapping from SWMBO...

Denz.

iain-hsm · 27th July 2006, 23:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by denzel)

Mmmm, yours don't smell eh?

Mine were also packed in plasic bags, but even a lead case wouldn't have stopped that smell!

But a week or 2 later again, and the smell is virtually gone.

Will leave them in the garden a few weeks more, and take them to brisney land to be checked out by Bendomatic herself, in order to avoid any more slapping from SWMBO...

Denz.

Denz/Genisis
Any chance of a full spec on these hoses. Am interested in the material, the size length and end cuff diameters. Also the price you paid or the buy now if thats OK. A picture would be perfect. I looked on ebay but found nothing.

Corrugated rubber mouldings are used for many purposes, Corrugated moulded rubber or EPDM compounds are used in ordinary hose as well as breathing tubes. Both types and all compounds will "off gas" from manufacture and from the release agents used in the mould tool. However if the hose is used as a breathing hose for aircraft mine rescue or diving then the compounds and release agents are strictly controlled. (smell but not badly and for a short time) Also before delivery they are cleaned of release agent before packing.

In this competitive world it is not unheard of that good samples of well designed hose get sent over to china for a copy to be made. Without the full specification and MITP Manufacture Inspection and Test Procedure being carried out the China copy is surprise surprise not to the same standard. Let me guess you get these life support products from Ebay with:
1. No certificate of conformity
2. No batch code on material compound
3. No cure date of manufacture
4. No certficate of elongation and deflection.
5. No certificate of pull stretch and elongation.
6. No crush, scuff or dimensional tolerance test cert.

Ok soap box over, for the hard time if you want a sample of what a divers breathing hose should smell like (free of charge) email me off post.

O.C.Diver · 28th July 2006, 01:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by denzel)

Any ideas what to do with them to get rid of the smell? Denz.

Don't know if you have "Joy" dish washing soap over there. Soaked a Furnco rubber pipe cap with the same problem in 5% Joy and water solution for about a week. Problem solved.

Ted

7th July 2006, 20:07	#1 (permalink)
denzel Holiday diver Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Perth! Posts: 358	el cheapo hoses Been my old cheap self again and bought a pair of breathing hoses from hong kong. Offered on ebay "kiss/ inspo/ homebuild breathing hoses, on a "buy now" offer. Quite cheap. They got delivered promptly, and do look and feel like breathing hoses. Only they smell like a servo. They stink. My mother picked them up from the postoffice, where they we're happy to see the back off them. When I went over to mums for coffee and said hoses, she frowned at me, thanked me profoundly for having them send to her address, pointed at the parcel laying outside and advised me to open my car windows. After coming home I threw them in dish water for an hour, but that didn't help. For soaking I trew them in the pond for a day, and ended up with 2 dead fish. So back into dish water, and rinsed them and left them in the shed for a week. By now, the smell is less, but still noticable. I don't think it might be the best of ideas to take them diving yet.... Any ideas what to do with them to get rid of the smell? Not ready to bin them. Denz. __________________ My deepest so far, 558.50 mtr, my rig a LF90D...
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7th July 2006, 21:10	#2 (permalink)
Dutchy Rene Warries Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Nieuwegein (The Netherlands) Posts: 844	Re: el cheapo hoses Sounds like an aromate to me....(a hydrocarbons, like benzene, toluene and the likes), maybe used in production phase to prevent the material from becomming to stiff or even brittle. You could try to evaporate it. Put it in the sun for a while and see what happens. The weather in Holland is just right at the moment. __________________ = This post is environmentally friendly. It is composed of 100% recycled electrons only. =
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16th July 2006, 22:14	#3 (permalink)
denzel Holiday diver Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Perth! Posts: 358	Re: el cheapo hoses Dutchy, You are right with the aromates. Well, a few weeks further, hoses have been in the garden since then, the smell is still noticable. Any one any idea what to do with them, other then to dump them? Or would it be safe to dive them, since it's just a faint smell...... Denz. __________________ My deepest so far, 558.50 mtr, my rig a LF90D...
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16th July 2006, 23:36	#4 (permalink)
E-man On the loop! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Optima Other Rebreather/s: Titan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Eastern Coast ;) Posts: 212	Re: el cheapo hoses I'd ditch them...I wouldn't want to be breathing a loop off gassing that crap...
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17th July 2006, 04:02	#5 (permalink)
bendomatic Morgan's Mum Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 211	Re: el cheapo hoses Quote: (Originally Posted by denzel) Dutchy, You are right with the aromates. Well, a few weeks further, hoses have been in the garden since then, the smell is still noticable. Any one any idea what to do with them, other then to dump them? Or would it be safe to dive them, since it's just a faint smell...... Denz. hey Denz, you should get Emz to give you a slap across the face from me! What did you teach your OW students about checking for "air that smells funny"? I hope you told them not to use it. Why? its effect only gets worse at depth. Same principle. stop being a tightarse, write it off as a bad buy, and get yourself some hoses from a more reputable source. see ya rachel __________________ why deal with idiots on the net when you have to spend all day dealing with them at work.
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17th July 2006, 14:50	#6 (permalink)
Dutchy Rene Warries Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Nieuwegein (The Netherlands) Posts: 844	Re: el cheapo hoses http://www.dot.state.ny.us/progs/safety/sb-94-7a.html Read the first lines and you'll know why not to use them.... Other arromates have similar effects or worse (with dioxine being the most infamous I guess)... My hope was in surface application only but I guess it's worse than that. __________________ = This post is environmentally friendly. It is composed of 100% recycled electrons only. =
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27th July 2006, 21:45	#7 (permalink)
Genesis Bubbless Box of Death Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 1,453	Re: el cheapo hoses I ordered a pair of these too... but mine don't stink! Hmmmm........maybe yours were contaminated somehow? Mine were in sealed plastic bags, and had no appreciable odor - no more than the O2ptima hoses that I have..... __________________ "A venturesome minority will always be eager to get off on their own, and no obstacles should be placed in their path; let them take risks for Godsake, let them get lost, sunburnt, stranded, drowned, eaten by bears, buried alive under avalanches - that is the right and privilege of any free American." http://www.denninger.net http://www.diversunion.org/liability.htm - Fix the Diving Cert racket
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27th July 2006, 22:24	#8 (permalink)
denzel Holiday diver Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Perth! Posts: 358	Re: el cheapo hoses Mmmm, yours don't smell eh? Mine were also packed in plasic bags, but even a lead case wouldn't have stopped that smell! But a week or 2 later again, and the smell is virtually gone. Will leave them in the garden a few weeks more, and take them to brisney land to be checked out by Bendomatic herself, in order to avoid any more slapping from SWMBO... Denz. __________________ My deepest so far, 558.50 mtr, my rig a LF90D...
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27th July 2006, 23:43	#9 (permalink)
iain-hsm Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Loughborough England uk Posts: 347	Re: el cheapo hoses Quote: (Originally Posted by denzel) Mmmm, yours don't smell eh? Mine were also packed in plasic bags, but even a lead case wouldn't have stopped that smell! But a week or 2 later again, and the smell is virtually gone. Will leave them in the garden a few weeks more, and take them to brisney land to be checked out by Bendomatic herself, in order to avoid any more slapping from SWMBO... Denz. Denz/Genisis Any chance of a full spec on these hoses. Am interested in the material, the size length and end cuff diameters. Also the price you paid or the buy now if thats OK. A picture would be perfect. I looked on ebay but found nothing. Corrugated rubber mouldings are used for many purposes, Corrugated moulded rubber or EPDM compounds are used in ordinary hose as well as breathing tubes. Both types and all compounds will "off gas" from manufacture and from the release agents used in the mould tool. However if the hose is used as a breathing hose for aircraft mine rescue or diving then the compounds and release agents are strictly controlled. (smell but not badly and for a short time) Also before delivery they are cleaned of release agent before packing. In this competitive world it is not unheard of that good samples of well designed hose get sent over to china for a copy to be made. Without the full specification and MITP Manufacture Inspection and Test Procedure being carried out the China copy is surprise surprise not to the same standard. Let me guess you get these life support products from Ebay with: 1. No certificate of conformity 2. No batch code on material compound 3. No cure date of manufacture 4. No certficate of elongation and deflection. 5. No certificate of pull stretch and elongation. 6. No crush, scuff or dimensional tolerance test cert. Ok soap box over, for the hard time if you want a sample of what a divers breathing hose should smell like (free of charge) email me off post. Last edited by iain-hsm : 27th July 2006 at 23:48. Reason: spelling wrong again!!!
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28th July 2006, 01:47	#10 (permalink)
O.C.Diver Helium Addict Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Salisbury MD USA Summers; Wandering Florida Winters Posts: 244	Re: el cheapo hoses Quote: (Originally Posted by denzel) Any ideas what to do with them to get rid of the smell? Denz. Don't know if you have "Joy" dish washing soap over there. Soaked a Furnco rubber pipe cap with the same problem in 5% Joy and water solution for about a week. Problem solved. Ted __________________ Consider this my opinion.......sometimes I'm even right, but remember.........YMMV. Ted Green Charter Boat "OC Diver" http://www.ocdiver.com
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