Hey Dave!

whoizrob · 24th June 2006, 09:06

Good to see you are still around. Between you and Dr. Bob I am not sure who to blame for my sickness

So what's new in your neck of the woods? Any new developments with the C96/minimum Rebreather project? Any plans to update the website?

Glad to have you aboard!

Rob

**Dave Sutton** · 24th June 2006, 15:37

Well..... I'm back on a trial basis with mixed feelings. I really was pretty glad to get away from the ego-centric nonsense that ruined my participation previously, but there are a few good folks around so maybe it's time to offer a few tidbits again from the Little Diveshop of Horrors. Have been as busy as ever, lots of neat projects have passed over the bench but I've been quiet about them for a while. The first time that I take any flame-war crap for anything I'm history...... I don't need to spend time defending my methods, do not need to waste effort dealing with people who have their own political agendas to put forth, and just want to go diving and have fun. No time for stress in my life. Just de-select pea-brained weenies from my screen and I'll be OK... ;-).

OK, now that I've vented (pun intended...)

The OMG chest mounted rigs have proven themselves well. The C-96 Pro has a very good scrubber as compared to the old C-96, really takes it to a different level. I've found that it makes a good bailout loop when clippd to the front of any decent back-mounted rig, sharing the origila rigs loop gas supplies (02 and diluent) thru quick disconnect lines. Best on non-OTS counterlung rigs such as the Mark-15 for physical reasons.

Have built a series of modular items that allow me to dip into a big box-o-parts and grab the correct modules to plug and play to make the correct rig for the correct day. Loops (back and chest), 02 feed system, diluent feed system, and sensor systems are all plug-compatable.

(1): I can grab the chest-loop, a single sensor display, and a manual 02 feed system and have a light 02 only rig for photographing in 30 feet of water.

(2): Unplug the single cell PP02 meter, plug on the 3 cell one, and add a 1 litre diluent module and it's a chest mounted CCR good for no-deco type of diving to perhaps 130 feet.

(3) Naturally, it would be best then to unplug the manual 02 feed module and replace it with the KISS-type 0 feed module....

(4):Unplug it all and toss it back in the box and wait for next weekend.

(5): Deeper that weekend? Grab the back-mounted loop, the same 02 feed system, the same multi-cell PP02 meter, and the same diluent feed system and plug it together (in 5 minutes) and the rig now is a fully capable system with much larger scrubber and counterlung volumes.

(6): Deeper yet? Plug the original chest-mounted loop back on the harness and I've got a back mounted primary loop as well as a chest-mounted bailout loop.

(7): Even deeper? Replace the "Green" back loop with the "Yellow" back loop and it's good to far further than human physiology will tolerate.

It's a good system, has been tested for several years now, but has been kept under wraps except for my local "line of sight" diving community because I have not been in a publicity mode since I split from rebreather society for the aformentioned reasons.

One of the nicest little components of the entire system is a PP02 cell probe that I made that

(1): fits thru a P-Connector.

(2) Folds internally inside the counterlung so that it does not "tent-pole" the lung.

(3): Carries (3) cells, (2) feeding KISS wrist displays and (1) feeding a VR-3 (and yes I still use the old "brick" and like it better than the new small VR-3).

(4): Contains the diluent feed port as well, with a quick-disconnect fitting (standad BC fitting) so that the one P-connector doubles as a diluent feed port as well as an 02 metering port.

(5): Has the diluent feed thru a clear Tygon tube which lays over the faces of the cells with small pinholes placed so that each manual diluent addition also flows a small volume of diluent across the sensor faces to keep them dynamic and able to be seen working and for sensor "reality checks" when needed.

(6): Can also be used as an 02 injection point for rigs that don't have a second point installed for that purpose.

Basically this system can be carried up to any rig with a P-Connector, be stuck into it, and the system used as a CCR "in a minute" ... ;-). If the rig has a second P-Connector (think Dolphin) I have an 02 module that plugs into that second port for KISS 02 injection, meaning that when I happen to stumble onto a Dolphin I simply "Plug module A into Port Y, Plug module B into Port Z, and go diving...." ;-)

Modularity is the key to happiness..... photos if/when I feel like it.

I will likely never update the website. I'd prefer to offer advice in real-time to people who take the time to correspond. Plus I cannot remember the password to FTP changes to the site.... ;-)

Best to all,

Dave Sutton
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paulraymaekers · 24th June 2006, 15:42

hello again Dave!

thanks to this guy I started rebuilding (and later building) and diving rebreathers: learned LOT'S of things!

paul

***caveseeker7*** · 24th June 2006, 17:17

Dave, am glad you surfaced in public again. Plenty of good people here with great intrest in rebreathers, enhancements and diving. We try to keep the riff raff off the board, so you shouldn't have problems with flame wars and like crap. Several members with less tolerance for that than rebreathers in the back room.

If you want to write about any of your projects and post some pics with it you can always send them to Louby- Lou, she takes care of the library. Probably less work than getting it on your own side.

The modular system sounds intresting, especially the 3 cell/dil injection combo.

You realize just about every homebuilder is drooling by now.

**Dave Sutton** · 24th June 2006, 17:52

Thanks, Stefan, appreciate the kind words.

As for the add port/3 cell holder: drool on....

The photo shows it before I wired in the cells (K1D's), and with a straight BC inflator nipple installed in the gas add port. In use I add a 90 degree swivel so the add gas line and the cables all present at a 90 degree angle to the axis of the unit. The sensor array swings thru a 90 degree angle so the sensors dont tent-pole the counterlung. Not installed whe n the photo was taken is the clear plastic tube that distributes a small portion of the added diluent over the sensor faces, but this is enough to show the basics.

Repeat after me: "Delrin is my friend...."

"With a file and enough time I can make a lathe.... with a lathe I can make the world"

Dave Sutton

***caveseeker7*** · 24th June 2006, 18:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

"With a file and enough time I can make a lathe.... with a lathe I can make the world"

They don't call you the Dave of Monte Christo for nothing.

Thanks for the picture.

shell-back · 24th June 2006, 18:39

Hello, Dave
We have spoke before many years ago via email, I do enjoy seeing your projects come to life. Please, do add some project reports and or new fan-dangles to the RBW.

I would also like to officially welcome you on behalf of FIGJAM committee members , we are always interested in minds like yours.

**Dave Sutton** · 24th June 2006, 18:55

OK, I give up, what's FIGJAM?

Sounds like something I'd spread on bread.... if I were constipated.

"Toll the bell, call up the ghosts, summon out the lifesavers and the pirates.
The shoals are there still, the winds howl loud, the rain beats down, the waves burst strong.
Some night, in the chill darkness, someone will make a mistake: The sea will show him no mercy".

Rebreathers reward those who aren't in the habit of making mistakes.... ever.

Dave Sutton

shell-back · 24th June 2006, 20:01

I apologize for the surreptitious welcome, I am not allowed to divulge that information on the board and would be inherently removing some candidates from becoming honored award winners if I did.

So that no further speculation is encouraged , I can neither confirm nor deny any of the present or former committee members had anything to do with the following:

the missing zoo pass of one Jimmy Santeria
the untimely sinking of the USS Yukon
reinvention of the third wheel

Helium_diver · 24th June 2006, 21:03

Dave ,

Great to see you here. You were a big help to me a few years ago when i was working on my homebuilt . Thanks again and welcome aboard.

Helium_diver

24th June 2006, 09:06	#1 (permalink)
whoizrob New Member Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sacramento Posts: 72	Hey Dave! Good to see you are still around. Between you and Dr. Bob I am not sure who to blame for my sickness So what's new in your neck of the woods? Any new developments with the C96/minimum Rebreather project? Any plans to update the website? Glad to have you aboard! Rob
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24th June 2006, 15:37	#2 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,907	Re: Hey Dave! Well..... I'm back on a trial basis with mixed feelings. I really was pretty glad to get away from the ego-centric nonsense that ruined my participation previously, but there are a few good folks around so maybe it's time to offer a few tidbits again from the Little Diveshop of Horrors. Have been as busy as ever, lots of neat projects have passed over the bench but I've been quiet about them for a while. The first time that I take any flame-war crap for anything I'm history...... I don't need to spend time defending my methods, do not need to waste effort dealing with people who have their own political agendas to put forth, and just want to go diving and have fun. No time for stress in my life. Just de-select pea-brained weenies from my screen and I'll be OK... ;-). OK, now that I've vented (pun intended...) The OMG chest mounted rigs have proven themselves well. The C-96 Pro has a very good scrubber as compared to the old C-96, really takes it to a different level. I've found that it makes a good bailout loop when clippd to the front of any decent back-mounted rig, sharing the origila rigs loop gas supplies (02 and diluent) thru quick disconnect lines. Best on non-OTS counterlung rigs such as the Mark-15 for physical reasons. Have built a series of modular items that allow me to dip into a big box-o-parts and grab the correct modules to plug and play to make the correct rig for the correct day. Loops (back and chest), 02 feed system, diluent feed system, and sensor systems are all plug-compatable. (1): I can grab the chest-loop, a single sensor display, and a manual 02 feed system and have a light 02 only rig for photographing in 30 feet of water. (2): Unplug the single cell PP02 meter, plug on the 3 cell one, and add a 1 litre diluent module and it's a chest mounted CCR good for no-deco type of diving to perhaps 130 feet. (3) Naturally, it would be best then to unplug the manual 02 feed module and replace it with the KISS-type 0 feed module.... (4):Unplug it all and toss it back in the box and wait for next weekend. (5): Deeper that weekend? Grab the back-mounted loop, the same 02 feed system, the same multi-cell PP02 meter, and the same diluent feed system and plug it together (in 5 minutes) and the rig now is a fully capable system with much larger scrubber and counterlung volumes. (6): Deeper yet? Plug the original chest-mounted loop back on the harness and I've got a back mounted primary loop as well as a chest-mounted bailout loop. (7): Even deeper? Replace the "Green" back loop with the "Yellow" back loop and it's good to far further than human physiology will tolerate. It's a good system, has been tested for several years now, but has been kept under wraps except for my local "line of sight" diving community because I have not been in a publicity mode since I split from rebreather society for the aformentioned reasons. One of the nicest little components of the entire system is a PP02 cell probe that I made that (1): fits thru a P-Connector. (2) Folds internally inside the counterlung so that it does not "tent-pole" the lung. (3): Carries (3) cells, (2) feeding KISS wrist displays and (1) feeding a VR-3 (and yes I still use the old "brick" and like it better than the new small VR-3). (4): Contains the diluent feed port as well, with a quick-disconnect fitting (standad BC fitting) so that the one P-connector doubles as a diluent feed port as well as an 02 metering port. (5): Has the diluent feed thru a clear Tygon tube which lays over the faces of the cells with small pinholes placed so that each manual diluent addition also flows a small volume of diluent across the sensor faces to keep them dynamic and able to be seen working and for sensor "reality checks" when needed. (6): Can also be used as an 02 injection point for rigs that don't have a second point installed for that purpose. Basically this system can be carried up to any rig with a P-Connector, be stuck into it, and the system used as a CCR "in a minute" ... ;-). If the rig has a second P-Connector (think Dolphin) I have an 02 module that plugs into that second port for KISS 02 injection, meaning that when I happen to stumble onto a Dolphin I simply "Plug module A into Port Y, Plug module B into Port Z, and go diving...." ;-) Modularity is the key to happiness..... photos if/when I feel like it. I will likely never update the website. I'd prefer to offer advice in real-time to people who take the time to correspond. Plus I cannot remember the password to FTP changes to the site.... ;-) Best to all, Dave Sutton . . . . __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com Last edited by Dave Sutton : 24th June 2006 at 15:43.
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24th June 2006, 15:42	#3 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 1,638	Re: Hey Dave! hello again Dave! thanks to this guy I started rebuilding (and later building) and diving rebreathers: learned LOT'S of things! paul __________________ www.rEvo-rebreathers.com .... the earth is flat, Elvis is alive, and radial scrubbers give longer dwell time than axials...
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24th June 2006, 17:17	#4 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,556	Re: Hey Dave! Dave, am glad you surfaced in public again. Plenty of good people here with great intrest in rebreathers, enhancements and diving. We try to keep the riff raff off the board, so you shouldn't have problems with flame wars and like crap. Several members with less tolerance for that than rebreathers in the back room. If you want to write about any of your projects and post some pics with it you can always send them to Louby- Lou, she takes care of the library. Probably less work than getting it on your own side. The modular system sounds intresting, especially the 3 cell/dil injection combo. You realize just about every homebuilder is drooling by now. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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24th June 2006, 18:02	#6 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,556	Re: Hey Dave! Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) "With a file and enough time I can make a lathe.... with a lathe I can make the world" They don't call you the Dave of Monte Christo for nothing. Thanks for the picture. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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24th June 2006, 18:39	#7 (permalink)
shell-back I do all my own stunts Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: middle of US Posts: 475	Re: Hey Dave! Hello, Dave We have spoke before many years ago via email, I do enjoy seeing your projects come to life. Please, do add some project reports and or new fan-dangles to the RBW. I would also like to officially welcome you on behalf of FIGJAM committee members , we are always interested in minds like yours. __________________ The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge. ----Daniel Boorstin Billy Beal SDITDI IT #3507 RBW FIGJAM commitee member
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24th June 2006, 18:55	#8 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,907	Re: Hey Dave! OK, I give up, what's FIGJAM? Sounds like something I'd spread on bread.... if I were constipated. "Toll the bell, call up the ghosts, summon out the lifesavers and the pirates. The shoals are there still, the winds howl loud, the rain beats down, the waves burst strong. Some night, in the chill darkness, someone will make a mistake: The sea will show him no mercy". Rebreathers reward those who aren't in the habit of making mistakes.... ever. Dave Sutton __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com
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24th June 2006, 20:01	#9 (permalink)
shell-back I do all my own stunts Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: middle of US Posts: 475	Re: Hey Dave! I apologize for the surreptitious welcome, I am not allowed to divulge that information on the board and would be inherently removing some candidates from becoming honored award winners if I did. So that no further speculation is encouraged , I can neither confirm nor deny any of the present or former committee members had anything to do with the following: the missing zoo pass of one Jimmy Santeria the untimely sinking of the USS Yukon reinvention of the third wheel __________________ The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge. ----Daniel Boorstin Billy Beal SDITDI IT #3507 RBW FIGJAM commitee member
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24th June 2006, 21:03	#10 (permalink)
Helium_diver Has anyone seen my Gerbil Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Baltimore MD USA Posts: 151	Re: Hey Dave! Dave , Great to see you here. You were a big help to me a few years ago when i was working on my homebuilt . Thanks again and welcome aboard. Helium_diver __________________ "If I look unconscious I probably am " Bill Hartman
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