Hey Dave!

**wedivebc** · 24th June 2006, 21:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by shell-back)

the untimely sinking of the USS Yukon

I ain't an expert on much on this board but I can say with certainty Her Majesty's Canadian Ship Yukon was never USS Yukon.

shell-back · 24th June 2006, 22:29

We never invented the third wheel as well , so I was safe to say we have no knowledge of the assisted sinking of said USS Yukon. Dave your slippin.... go back and read the minutes of the last FIGJAM awards committee meeting most honorable chairman it was covered in the old business....

**wedivebc** · 24th June 2006, 23:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by shell-back)

We never invented the third wheel as well , so I was safe to say we have no knowledge of the assisted sinking of said USS Yukon. Dave your slippin.... go back and read the minutes of the last FIGJAM awards committee meeting most honorable chairman it was covered in the old business....

oooops, sorry

narked at 90 · 25th June 2006, 00:25

Hi Dave welcome back! good to see you around again.
Dave was one of the first that got me into breathers as well as Kerry Mckenzy.
so thank you for your advice over the years.
kindest regards john routley

***schford*** · 25th June 2006, 00:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

Well..... I'm back on a trial basis with mixed feelings. I really was pretty glad to get away from the ego-centric nonsense that ruined my participation previously, but there are a few good folks around so maybe it's time to offer a few tidbits again from the Little Diveshop of Horrors. Have been as busy as ever, lots of neat projects have passed over the bench but I've been quiet about them for a while. The first time that I take any flame-war crap for anything I'm history...... I don't need to spend time defending my methods, do not need to waste effort dealing with people who have their own political agendas to put forth, and just want to go diving and have fun. No time for stress in my life. Just de-select pea-brained weenies from my screen and I'll be OK... ;-).

Wow - that sure is a long parapgraph from a new member on ego centric nonsense that ruined your previous particpation - I guess I must have missed your previous participation on here as we dont tolerate crap from any one.

It's a friendly place where all are welcome as long as mutual politeness is given.

In fact If I see any one making cheap shots at valued members they just won't be welcome here so no need to worry.....

**Dave Sutton** · 25th June 2006, 03:16

It wasn't participation *here*, it was participation in the old-generation general internet rebreather community (IE the old Rebreather List) that caused me to withdraw my particiation. The flame wars and nonsense were causing a real problem in real life. I swore I would never deal with the internet as a forum again, but was latterly encouraged to re-engage by my dear friend Jens, who you all know here. So..... another attempt at discourse is underway.

Glad for all the encouraging emails, especially from the many friends who I remember well. It's good to be back. As long as the moderators do their jobs, we'll all have fun.

FIGJAM, eh?.... Glad to see humor has not deserted us.

Best to all,

Dave Sutton

***Decodiver*** · 25th June 2006, 11:59

Hi Dave,

Personally would be very interested to see a writeup of the frount mounted Castoro bailout system in conjunction with the back mounted unit.

Cheers,

dave Cooper.

**Dave Sutton** · 25th June 2006, 14:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

Hi Dave,

Personally would be very interested to see a writeup of the frount mounted Castoro bailout system in conjunction with the back mounted unit.

Cheers,

dave Cooper.

OK..... but who said I used a Castoro for a bailout system? ;-). That would be so "in the box"... let's go WAY outside the box here.

The idea of a bailout loop has fascinated for years. Originally I used a chest mounted old-style horsecollar BC with a simple pendulum scrubber installed in the oral inflation hose. I used actually an old Fenzy vest, which has (nicely enough) a 0.5 litre inflation bottle included. I ran the main rig (Mark-15) diluent to the BC, filled the small inflation cylinder with 02, and did little more (OK, 1 cell PP02 metering too). Tom Rose showed a basic copy of this on his website, it's a very simple trick. To use, just fill the BC with a puff of diluent, stick the oral inflator in your mouth (the Fenzy one has a mouthpiece) and start breathing. Add 02 as required and/or just add more diluent to bring in fresh 02 now and then after a nose-vent. Worked fine. Scrubber was a little small.

Prototype 2:

Made a set of wings with a scrubber *across the back of the divers neck*. Made the scrubber there a soft one (IE *fabric*) accessed thru a short drysuit zipper (IE a piss-relief zipper) thru which the 'sorb was added and used flexable fabric screening to keep the 'sorb from migrating into the wings. Scrubber lays across the back of the divers neck. Even if the loop gets some water in it, this area stays dry. Centroid is good so WOB is low. Used a normal loop hose set (Draeger Ray) into the wings, using P-Connectors on the wings and the 90 degree plug-ins on the loop hoses from the Ray.

A drysuit inflation valve was installed on the lower right corner of the wings for 02 injection. An old BC inflator was modified to feed into a T connector in the exhale hose to act as a diluent add port (as well as for normal wings inflation.... remember that the system is *also* the divers normal BC system).

A ripcord-type dump valve was used for normal deflation (IE you can no longer hold the oral inflator hose over your head to dump gas for bouyancy use). Other than that, anyone who dives a set of wings now can toss this on and never lknow nhe has a rebreather on his back.

A block was added to the inhale hose and (2) K1D sensors installed feeding displays.

Bottom line: I've got a bailout rebreather that is also my wings. Since I'm *using it* it's kept at least at ambient pressure and as a result the scrubber does not flood (which is THE problem with "sealed" (IE non-inflated, collapsed) secondary loops). This problem is a show-stopper for ALL other second loops. These loops cannot be "static" (IE sealed)or they flood. They need to be "dynamic" (IE always filled with some gas) so the scrubber stays dry.

And there is also the (3rd) prototype which is, in fact, a modified P-96 (not C-96) 02 rig, the pendulum hose being far easier to stow than a double loop hose set).

And the 4th prototype..... old Viking suit doing double duty as a counterlung.... think about that for a minute. Drysuit = counterlung. You figure it out. Don't fart (or eat good stuff in any case.....)

Enough of interest to think about for a day? Sorry for short writeup, trying to beat a deadline out of the house for an appointment I need to keep this AM. Questions answered later. No photos, this system has commercial potential and I cannot show all of it's features as, for once, I might like to actually sell something I designed.. ;-)

Dave Sutton

RonMicjan · 25th June 2006, 17:38

A very kind welcome Dave, its great to have you hanging out again. Here you will find "the usual suspects", some great new folks, and a couple bozo's too. Just like everywhere. The difference here is excellent moderation. So, free speech is somewhat curtailed, but that could be a good thing in some cases. Every now and then one wants to call a bozo, a bozo, when He/she may well deserve it, but...one must have cautious and meticulus use of language so that the moderators dont quite understand your intention, but the receipent gets the hint. Keeps it civil ya know

Dave T. you have officially been awarded 2 demerits by the FIGJAM commitee director, see that you keep up to date on the monthly minutes in the future.

However, since Dave did actually serve on the HMCS Yukon (or was it the sister ship?) He could get his dander up on the mis-labeling, whether intentional or not. God save the Queen!!

***Decodiver*** · 25th June 2006, 18:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

OK..... but who said I used a Castoro for a bailout system? ;-). That would be so "in the box"... let's go WAY outside the box here.

Thanks Dave keep it coming.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

24th June 2006, 21:40	#11 (permalink)
wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,508	Re: Hey Dave! Quote: (Originally Posted by shell-back) the untimely sinking of the USS Yukon I ain't an expert on much on this board but I can say with certainty Her Majesty's Canadian Ship Yukon was never USS Yukon. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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24th June 2006, 22:29	#12 (permalink)
shell-back I do all my own stunts Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: middle of US Posts: 475	Re: Hey Dave! We never invented the third wheel as well , so I was safe to say we have no knowledge of the assisted sinking of said USS Yukon. Dave your slippin.... go back and read the minutes of the last FIGJAM awards committee meeting most honorable chairman it was covered in the old business.... __________________ The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge. ----Daniel Boorstin Billy Beal SDITDI IT #3507 RBW FIGJAM commitee member
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24th June 2006, 23:23	#13 (permalink)
wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,508	Re: Hey Dave! Quote: (Originally Posted by shell-back) We never invented the third wheel as well , so I was safe to say we have no knowledge of the assisted sinking of said USS Yukon. Dave your slippin.... go back and read the minutes of the last FIGJAM awards committee meeting most honorable chairman it was covered in the old business.... oooops, sorry __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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25th June 2006, 00:25	#14 (permalink)
narked at 90 John Routley Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: middlands uk Posts: 1,074	Re: Hey Dave! Hi Dave welcome back! good to see you around again. Dave was one of the first that got me into breathers as well as Kerry Mckenzy. so thank you for your advice over the years. kindest regards john routley __________________ *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *http://www.grpservices.com/pursuit/* Supporting Shearwater Research Products in Europe Narked at 90 Go Military
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25th June 2006, 00:47	#15 (permalink)
*schford* RBW Founder Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	Re: Hey Dave! Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) Well..... I'm back on a trial basis with mixed feelings. I really was pretty glad to get away from the ego-centric nonsense that ruined my participation previously, but there are a few good folks around so maybe it's time to offer a few tidbits again from the Little Diveshop of Horrors. Have been as busy as ever, lots of neat projects have passed over the bench but I've been quiet about them for a while. The first time that I take any flame-war crap for anything I'm history...... I don't need to spend time defending my methods, do not need to waste effort dealing with people who have their own political agendas to put forth, and just want to go diving and have fun. No time for stress in my life. Just de-select pea-brained weenies from my screen and I'll be OK... ;-). Wow - that sure is a long parapgraph from a new member on ego centric nonsense that ruined your previous particpation - I guess I must have missed your previous participation on here as we dont tolerate crap from any one. It's a friendly place where all are welcome as long as mutual politeness is given. In fact If I see any one making cheap shots at valued members they just won't be welcome here so no need to worry..... __________________ Bailout and Kit Management account for Murphy's Law The only bad question is one you did not ask and later wish you had. Use of RBW is subject to the Rebreather World Terms & Conditions of Use
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25th June 2006, 03:16	#16 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,907	Re: Hey Dave! It wasn't participation here, it was participation in the old-generation general internet rebreather community (IE the old Rebreather List) that caused me to withdraw my particiation. The flame wars and nonsense were causing a real problem in real life. I swore I would never deal with the internet as a forum again, but was latterly encouraged to re-engage by my dear friend Jens, who you all know here. So..... another attempt at discourse is underway. Glad for all the encouraging emails, especially from the many friends who I remember well. It's good to be back. As long as the moderators do their jobs, we'll all have fun. FIGJAM, eh?.... Glad to see humor has not deserted us. Best to all, Dave Sutton __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com Last edited by Dave Sutton : 25th June 2006 at 03:20.
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25th June 2006, 11:59	#17 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,194	Re: Hey Dave! Hi Dave, Personally would be very interested to see a writeup of the frount mounted Castoro bailout system in conjunction with the back mounted unit. Cheers, dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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25th June 2006, 14:34	#18 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,907	Re: Hey Dave! Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) Hi Dave, Personally would be very interested to see a writeup of the frount mounted Castoro bailout system in conjunction with the back mounted unit. Cheers, dave Cooper. OK..... but who said I used a Castoro for a bailout system? ;-). That would be so "in the box"... let's go WAY outside the box here. The idea of a bailout loop has fascinated for years. Originally I used a chest mounted old-style horsecollar BC with a simple pendulum scrubber installed in the oral inflation hose. I used actually an old Fenzy vest, which has (nicely enough) a 0.5 litre inflation bottle included. I ran the main rig (Mark-15) diluent to the BC, filled the small inflation cylinder with 02, and did little more (OK, 1 cell PP02 metering too). Tom Rose showed a basic copy of this on his website, it's a very simple trick. To use, just fill the BC with a puff of diluent, stick the oral inflator in your mouth (the Fenzy one has a mouthpiece) and start breathing. Add 02 as required and/or just add more diluent to bring in fresh 02 now and then after a nose-vent. Worked fine. Scrubber was a little small. Prototype 2: Made a set of wings with a scrubber across the back of the divers neck. Made the scrubber there a soft one (IE fabric) accessed thru a short drysuit zipper (IE a piss-relief zipper) thru which the 'sorb was added and used flexable fabric screening to keep the 'sorb from migrating into the wings. Scrubber lays across the back of the divers neck. Even if the loop gets some water in it, this area stays dry. Centroid is good so WOB is low. Used a normal loop hose set (Draeger Ray) into the wings, using P-Connectors on the wings and the 90 degree plug-ins on the loop hoses from the Ray. A drysuit inflation valve was installed on the lower right corner of the wings for 02 injection. An old BC inflator was modified to feed into a T connector in the exhale hose to act as a diluent add port (as well as for normal wings inflation.... remember that the system is also the divers normal BC system). A ripcord-type dump valve was used for normal deflation (IE you can no longer hold the oral inflator hose over your head to dump gas for bouyancy use). Other than that, anyone who dives a set of wings now can toss this on and never lknow nhe has a rebreather on his back. A block was added to the inhale hose and (2) K1D sensors installed feeding displays. Bottom line: I've got a bailout rebreather that is also my wings. Since I'm using it it's kept at least at ambient pressure and as a result the scrubber does not flood (which is THE problem with "sealed" (IE non-inflated, collapsed) secondary loops). This problem is a show-stopper for ALL other second loops. These loops cannot be "static" (IE sealed)or they flood. They need to be "dynamic" (IE always filled with some gas) so the scrubber stays dry. And there is also the (3rd) prototype which is, in fact, a modified P-96 (not C-96) 02 rig, the pendulum hose being far easier to stow than a double loop hose set). And the 4th prototype..... old Viking suit doing double duty as a counterlung.... think about that for a minute. Drysuit = counterlung. You figure it out. Don't fart (or eat good stuff in any case.....) Enough of interest to think about for a day? Sorry for short writeup, trying to beat a deadline out of the house for an appointment I need to keep this AM. Questions answered later. No photos, this system has commercial potential and I cannot show all of it's features as, for once, I might like to actually sell something I designed.. ;-) Dave Sutton __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com
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25th June 2006, 17:38	#19 (permalink)
RonMicjan Cap Ron scourge of the NW Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cape Disapointment, The Graveyard of the Pacific Posts: 1,120	Re: Hey Dave! A very kind welcome Dave, its great to have you hanging out again. Here you will find "the usual suspects", some great new folks, and a couple bozo's too. Just like everywhere. The difference here is excellent moderation. So, free speech is somewhat curtailed, but that could be a good thing in some cases. Every now and then one wants to call a bozo, a bozo, when He/she may well deserve it, but...one must have cautious and meticulus use of language so that the moderators dont quite understand your intention, but the receipent gets the hint. Keeps it civil ya know Dave T. you have officially been awarded 2 demerits by the FIGJAM commitee director, see that you keep up to date on the monthly minutes in the future. However, since Dave did actually serve on the HMCS Yukon (or was it the sister ship?) He could get his dander up on the mis-labeling, whether intentional or not. God save the Queen!! __________________ Marine rescue, towing and salvage. Interfering with natural selection since 1983. www.tmishop.com Diving bits etc. www.seatowpdx.com The Summer Job
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*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,194	Re: Hey Dave! Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) OK..... but who said I used a Castoro for a bailout system? ;-). That would be so "in the box"... let's go WAY outside the box here. Thanks Dave keep it coming. Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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