Swagelock needle valve part #

undrh2o · 27th April 2006, 18:29

I've seen several websites that mention they have made their own KISS valve with a swagelock needle vavle. Anyone have a part number?

johnv · 27th April 2006, 22:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by undrh2o)

I've seen several websites that mention they have made their own KISS valve with a swagelock needle vavle. Anyone have a part number?

it's a bit more complicated as you need to make a bypass as well, The trick is to make the thing as small as posslble and with as few fittings as you can.

From experience, unless you _really_ want to take a CMF rebeather below about 100m, then a fixed IP 1st stage with a Kiss valve is a much simpler, less fiddley and probably safer way to go.

John

Scuttle · 27th April 2006, 23:27

Swagelok very fine metering valve. Part # B-SM2-S2-A
Manual Addition- Clippard Minimatics. Part # MJV-2

jdz · 27th April 2006, 23:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by undrh2o)

I've seen several websites that mention they have made their own KISS valve with a swagelock needle vavle. Anyone have a part number?

Hi there, Tubby's webpage is off line at the moment but Scuttle is correct...

An article is still available on Jan Willem's site here http://www.therebreathersite.nl/evol...rebreather.htm

I have dived this system successfully for a few years before I moved onto my Prism, but it still is the backbone to my new, almost finished, sidemount breather...

Cheers, JDZ

Duncan Price · 28th April 2006, 10:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by Scuttle)

Swagelok very fine metering valve. Part # B-SM2-S2-A
Manual Addition- Clippard Minimatics. Part # MJV-2

Complete parts list here:

http://www.sump4.com/rebreather/d5_c....html#gas_feed

If you don't want a manual dil add in the block then swop the + for a T (part number B-400-3)

Marc T · 28th April 2006, 15:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by jdz)

Hi there, Tubby's webpage is off line at the moment but Scuttle is correct...

An article is still available on Jan Willem's site here http://www.therebreathersite.nl/evol...rebreather.htm

I have dived this system successfully for a few years before I moved onto my Prism, but it still is the backbone to my new, almost finished, sidemount breather...

Cheers, JDZ

Seems nice but I dont really understand where are the two way ( in and out ) of the swagelock on the picture that you can see on the JW site??
Could you explain a little bit please?
Thanks in advance
Marc

undrh2o · 28th April 2006, 21:47

Fantastic!! Thanks guys that's exactly what I'm looking for. My thoughts are to build a prototype then buy the Jetsam or hydrgom part once I'm happy with it. Or I might buy a dolphin/atlantis if I find one cheap.

jdz · 29th April 2006, 15:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by Marc T)

Seems nice but I dont really understand where are the two way ( in and out ) of the swagelock on the picture that you can see on the JW site??
Could you explain a little bit please?
Thanks in advance
Marc

Hi Marc,

The exact method of welding/melding the two valves is more of an issue of "its not a good idea to plaster it all over the net with pictures etc.." but the explanation goes like this...

The swagelok metering valve body is trimmed by cutting off both the bottom and side connections, then the base of the valve is welded shut (sealed) and the side opening is faced to the side of the clippard (without the opening) and also welded so a complete seal occurs.

Now the tricky part.... a small hole is drilled into the welded side of the clippard so that it enters the side "output" of the swagelok body.

Also another small hole is drilled from the input hole of the clippard and through the body of the swagelok entering between the newly sealed bottom of the swagelok and into the input side of the metering valve tip...

The threaded nut of the base (input) side of the clippard also needs a small hole which must line up to the drilled input hole to allow the O2 to enter.

Thus, the gas enters the base of the clippard, goes through the new hole into the swagelok, metered by the valve and exits the swagelok into the clippard and out though the normal exit... you bypass (manual add) the swagelok by depressing the pin on the clippard.

Disclaimer: Don't do this at home folks... I am not an engineer... if you understand all the above then good luck to you!!

Hope that helps, Cheers, JDZ

Marc T · 30th April 2006, 08:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by jdz)

Hi Marc,

The exact method of welding/melding the two valves is more of an issue of "its not a good idea to plaster it all over the net with pictures etc.." but the explanation goes like this...

The swagelok metering valve body is trimmed by cutting off both the bottom and side connections, then the base of the valve is welded shut (sealed) and the side opening is faced to the side of the clippard (without the opening) and also welded so a complete seal occurs.

Now the tricky part.... a small hole is drilled into the welded side of the clippard so that it enters the side "output" of the swagelok body.

Also another small hole is drilled from the input hole of the clippard and through the body of the swagelok entering between the newly sealed bottom of the swagelok and into the input side of the metering valve tip...

The threaded nut of the base (input) side of the clippard also needs a small hole which must line up to the drilled input hole to allow the O2 to enter.

Thus, the gas enters the base of the clippard, goes through the new hole into the swagelok, metered by the valve and exits the swagelok into the clippard and out though the normal exit... you bypass (manual add) the swagelok by depressing the pin on the clippard.

Disclaimer: Don't do this at home folks... I am not an engineer... if you understand all the above then good luck to you!!

Hope that helps, Cheers, JDZ

Well now I understand why I couldnt understand, seen that a long time ago on RWW and always

Yes that helps...not to distroy a metering valve and a mV2 with my two left hands

Anyway thats a really clever idear

Thanks a lot JDZ

aknelson · 7th May 2006, 03:50

Do you need a sketch?

ATH

27th April 2006, 18:29	#1 (permalink)
undrh2o Chris Miller Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 206	Swagelock needle valve part # I've seen several websites that mention they have made their own KISS valve with a swagelock needle vavle. Anyone have a part number?
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27th April 2006, 22:53	#2 (permalink)
johnv RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK Posts: 163	Re: Swagelock needle valve part # Quote: (Originally Posted by undrh2o) I've seen several websites that mention they have made their own KISS valve with a swagelock needle vavle. Anyone have a part number? it's a bit more complicated as you need to make a bypass as well, The trick is to make the thing as small as posslble and with as few fittings as you can. From experience, unless you _really_ want to take a CMF rebeather below about 100m, then a fixed IP 1st stage with a Kiss valve is a much simpler, less fiddley and probably safer way to go. John
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27th April 2006, 23:27	#3 (permalink)
Scuttle 1 Grumpy ole skipper Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jan Juc, Vic, Australia Posts: 242	Re: Swagelock needle valve part # Swagelok very fine metering valve. Part # B-SM2-S2-A Manual Addition- Clippard Minimatics. Part # MJV-2
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27th April 2006, 23:39	#4 (permalink)
jdz Prism Cave Diver Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 223	Re: Swagelock needle valve part # Quote: (Originally Posted by undrh2o) I've seen several websites that mention they have made their own KISS valve with a swagelock needle vavle. Anyone have a part number? Hi there, Tubby's webpage is off line at the moment but Scuttle is correct... An article is still available on Jan Willem's site here http://www.therebreathersite.nl/evol...rebreather.htm I have dived this system successfully for a few years before I moved onto my Prism, but it still is the backbone to my new, almost finished, sidemount breather... Cheers, JDZ
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28th April 2006, 10:50	#5 (permalink)
Duncan Price Sump Monster Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wells, Somerset, UK Posts: 335	Re: Swagelock needle valve part # Quote: (Originally Posted by Scuttle) Swagelok very fine metering valve. Part # B-SM2-S2-A Manual Addition- Clippard Minimatics. Part # MJV-2 Complete parts list here: http://www.sump4.com/rebreather/d5_c....html#gas_feed If you don't want a manual dil add in the block then swop the + for a T (part number B-400-3)
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28th April 2006, 15:36	#6 (permalink)
Marc T hell is in the details Current Rebreather/s: RB80 / Clone Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet RB80 / Clone Home Build Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: FRANCE Carcassonne Posts: 498	Re: Swagelock needle valve part # Quote: (Originally Posted by jdz) Hi there, Tubby's webpage is off line at the moment but Scuttle is correct... An article is still available on Jan Willem's site here http://www.therebreathersite.nl/evol...rebreather.htm I have dived this system successfully for a few years before I moved onto my Prism, but it still is the backbone to my new, almost finished, sidemount breather... Cheers, JDZ Seems nice but I dont really understand where are the two way ( in and out ) of the swagelock on the picture that you can see on the JW site?? Could you explain a little bit please? Thanks in advance Marc
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28th April 2006, 21:47	#7 (permalink)
undrh2o Chris Miller Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 206	Re: Swagelock needle valve part # Fantastic!! Thanks guys that's exactly what I'm looking for. My thoughts are to build a prototype then buy the Jetsam or hydrgom part once I'm happy with it. Or I might buy a dolphin/atlantis if I find one cheap.
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29th April 2006, 15:26	#8 (permalink)
jdz Prism Cave Diver Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 223	Re: Swagelock needle valve part # Quote: (Originally Posted by Marc T) Seems nice but I dont really understand where are the two way ( in and out ) of the swagelock on the picture that you can see on the JW site?? Could you explain a little bit please? Thanks in advance Marc Hi Marc, The exact method of welding/melding the two valves is more of an issue of "its not a good idea to plaster it all over the net with pictures etc.." but the explanation goes like this... The swagelok metering valve body is trimmed by cutting off both the bottom and side connections, then the base of the valve is welded shut (sealed) and the side opening is faced to the side of the clippard (without the opening) and also welded so a complete seal occurs. Now the tricky part.... a small hole is drilled into the welded side of the clippard so that it enters the side "output" of the swagelok body. Also another small hole is drilled from the input hole of the clippard and through the body of the swagelok entering between the newly sealed bottom of the swagelok and into the input side of the metering valve tip... The threaded nut of the base (input) side of the clippard also needs a small hole which must line up to the drilled input hole to allow the O2 to enter. Thus, the gas enters the base of the clippard, goes through the new hole into the swagelok, metered by the valve and exits the swagelok into the clippard and out though the normal exit... you bypass (manual add) the swagelok by depressing the pin on the clippard. Disclaimer: Don't do this at home folks... I am not an engineer... if you understand all the above then good luck to you!! Hope that helps, Cheers, JDZ
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30th April 2006, 08:05	#9 (permalink)
Marc T hell is in the details Current Rebreather/s: RB80 / Clone Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet RB80 / Clone Home Build Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: FRANCE Carcassonne Posts: 498	Re: Swagelock needle valve part # Quote: (Originally Posted by jdz) Hi Marc, The exact method of welding/melding the two valves is more of an issue of "its not a good idea to plaster it all over the net with pictures etc.." but the explanation goes like this... The swagelok metering valve body is trimmed by cutting off both the bottom and side connections, then the base of the valve is welded shut (sealed) and the side opening is faced to the side of the clippard (without the opening) and also welded so a complete seal occurs. Now the tricky part.... a small hole is drilled into the welded side of the clippard so that it enters the side "output" of the swagelok body. Also another small hole is drilled from the input hole of the clippard and through the body of the swagelok entering between the newly sealed bottom of the swagelok and into the input side of the metering valve tip... The threaded nut of the base (input) side of the clippard also needs a small hole which must line up to the drilled input hole to allow the O2 to enter. Thus, the gas enters the base of the clippard, goes through the new hole into the swagelok, metered by the valve and exits the swagelok into the clippard and out though the normal exit... you bypass (manual add) the swagelok by depressing the pin on the clippard. Disclaimer: Don't do this at home folks... I am not an engineer... if you understand all the above then good luck to you!! Hope that helps, Cheers, JDZ Well now I understand why I couldnt understand, seen that a long time ago on RWW and always Yes that helps...not to distroy a metering valve and a mV2 with my two left hands Anyway thats a really clever idear Thanks a lot JDZ
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7th May 2006, 03:50	#10 (permalink)
aknelson RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Dolphin Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 85	Re: Swagelock needle valve part # Do you need a sketch? ATH
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