home made dsv

**Dave Sutton** · 27th January 2008, 02:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by Packhorse)

I know nothing of Golem Rebreather's

That's the problem. You don't know who you are dealing with or criticizing, and we do.

With all due respect: Jakub has been known here for as long as we have had a forum, longer in fact than the existance of RBW on other forums that preceeded this one, and his company is one of the most highly respected manufacturers of high technology rebreather accessories in the world. If you want a radial scrubber for a Meg, he makes it. If you want the worlds best BOV, he makes it. If you want any of 100 'best in the world' items for rebreathers, you buy it from him. He's been a trusted friend of many of us for years, and certain of us 'grew up with him' as homebuilders before he went and made a professional endeavour out of it.

Suggest, with all further due respect, that you observe here quietly and politely for a little while and figure out who is who before tossing stones at the old timers.

Dave

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chunter · 27th January 2008, 02:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

That's the problem. You don't know who you are dealing with or criticizing, and we do.

With all due respect: Jakub has been known here for as long as we have had a forum, longer in fact than the existance of Rebreather World on other forums that preceeded this one, and his company is one of the most highly respected manufacturers of high technology rebreather accessories in the world. If you want a radial scrubber for a Meg, he makes it. If you want the worlds best BOV, he makes it. If you want any of 100 'best in the world' items for rebreathers, you buy it from him. He's been a trusted friend of many of us for years, and certain of us 'grew up with him' as homebuilders before he went and made a professional endeavour out of it.

Suggest, with all further due respect, that you observe here quietly and politely for a little while and figure out who is who before tossing stones at the old timers.

Dave

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Who cares? Get this thing back on topic.

My feeling is that, while you can build a DSV from a ball valve, why bother? Is it to save money? To say that you did it? Well...I've done it, but I still dive with a DSV made by a manufacturer.

Then again, I'm not much of a home builder.

**Dave Sutton** · 27th January 2008, 02:54

The homebuilding gene is either there or not. For working dives, I use a rebreather as a tool and it needs to 'just work', But for play? It's fun to 'hack the system' and dive something I built myself. Most of us here feel the same way. Pure 02 rigs are a ball... and the ones built from Home Depot parts are rewarding and interesting learning tools. Making a DSV helps people understand what they consist of... and all learning is good.

This *is* a homebuilders forum! "Buy It" has it's place, but this is not it... But if I *was* gonna buy a DSV, I'd buy it from Golem, which is pretty funny considering the earlier posters comment......

Sometimes you just gotta laugh.

Best,

Dave

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Packhorse · 27th January 2008, 09:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

That's the problem. You don't know who you are dealing with or criticizing, and we do. ..........Suggest, with all further due respect, that you observe here quietly and politely for a little while and figure out who is who before tossing stones at the old timers.

Dave

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With all due respect Dave I was not criticizing or "tossing stones" I was simply asking a question. The comment on his site struck me as strange and was wondering about the reason for it.
Sorry If I caused any offence. It certainly was not intended.
Just call me an inquisitive idiot!!

**Dave Sutton** · 28th January 2008, 01:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by Packhorse)

With all due respect Dave I was not criticizing or "tossing stones" I was simply asking a question. The comment on his site struck me as strange and was wondering about the reason for it.

It's called humor! It's an artifact from an earlier time when the old gang enjoyed a certain sense of friendly banter that hid some important things behind a veneer of laughter. Go read the Crestline Experimental Diving Unit pages to get a full feel of this. Read the "Honors of the Association" pages there and you'll "get it". I can see how read in a vacuum you might have found what you read strange. So, no foul, and welcome aboard.

Dave

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**fireman** · 28th January 2008, 03:57

I have dived with a homeman DSV, it was next to godlyness. I have a BOV now. This is nothing, you should check out Chickenhead labs and CEDU. As I understand it to be a member of CEDU you have to home make an O2 rig and do a mile "combat" swim underwater (I don't know if its mandatory that you survive...Its on my "bucket list")
Hey its all about keeping life interesting.

DanFountain · 28th January 2008, 12:16

The point has been made in other threads that sometimes the only difference between a homebuilder and a manufacturer is time. Here's an early homebuilder diving a one-off, self-built rebreather. Note the DSV.

Dr. Bob, Patrick Duffy, Tom Rose, even Bill Stone - none of these guys probably "invented" this use of the hardware store ball valve. Form follows function.

Here's my version of the PVCBVDSV:

It's a 1" PVC ball valve, drilled axially to accept a 3/4" PVC pipe (thinwall!), heated and shaped to an oval to fit a standard mouthpiece. Valve body is bored out to fit the mushroom valves from an Interspiro quasi-AGA mask (included with the BioPak 240 "rebreather kit"). Is the 7/8" bore of this DSV too small, considering the rest of the loop is 1-1/8" and greater diameter? Probably, but then again, where is the smallest restriction in the loop? I'd guess it's the gap between your upper and lower incisors as you grip the mouthpiece. In-depth dive report to follow.

I'm almost afraid to show pics of my homebuilt BOV...

-Dan

teksimple · 28th January 2008, 15:34

Obviously someone got the wrong idea when a RBW sponsor posted a link on what turned out to a very humorous site. It sucks being a sponsor sometimes, because everyone misinterprets your intentions.

If you do not understand some of the humor on RBW, you obviously need to be saved.

**Dave Sutton** · 28th January 2008, 22:22

Quote: (Originally Posted by teksimple)

If you do not understand some of the humor on RBW, you obviously need to be saved.

You really need to post a "swallow coffee before opening this link" warning... I hate cleaning off my computer....

Dave

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**fireman** · 28th January 2008, 22:51

Coffee...I peed in my pants

27th January 2008, 02:23	#11 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,907	Re: home made dsv Quote: (Originally Posted by Packhorse) I know nothing of Golem Rebreather's That's the problem. You don't know who you are dealing with or criticizing, and we do. With all due respect: Jakub has been known here for as long as we have had a forum, longer in fact than the existance of RBW on other forums that preceeded this one, and his company is one of the most highly respected manufacturers of high technology rebreather accessories in the world. If you want a radial scrubber for a Meg, he makes it. If you want the worlds best BOV, he makes it. If you want any of 100 'best in the world' items for rebreathers, you buy it from him. He's been a trusted friend of many of us for years, and certain of us 'grew up with him' as homebuilders before he went and made a professional endeavour out of it. Suggest, with all further due respect, that you observe here quietly and politely for a little while and figure out who is who before tossing stones at the old timers. Dave . __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com
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27th January 2008, 02:38	#12 (permalink)
chunter I like diving Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Classic Kiss Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Honolulu Posts: 484	Re: home made dsv Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) That's the problem. You don't know who you are dealing with or criticizing, and we do. With all due respect: Jakub has been known here for as long as we have had a forum, longer in fact than the existance of Rebreather World on other forums that preceeded this one, and his company is one of the most highly respected manufacturers of high technology rebreather accessories in the world. If you want a radial scrubber for a Meg, he makes it. If you want the worlds best BOV, he makes it. If you want any of 100 'best in the world' items for rebreathers, you buy it from him. He's been a trusted friend of many of us for years, and certain of us 'grew up with him' as homebuilders before he went and made a professional endeavour out of it. Suggest, with all further due respect, that you observe here quietly and politely for a little while and figure out who is who before tossing stones at the old timers. Dave . Who cares? Get this thing back on topic. My feeling is that, while you can build a DSV from a ball valve, why bother? Is it to save money? To say that you did it? Well...I've done it, but I still dive with a DSV made by a manufacturer. Then again, I'm not much of a home builder. __________________ "Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Emerson "Hobgoblin is a cool word." - Charlie
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27th January 2008, 02:54	#13 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,907	Re: home made dsv The homebuilding gene is either there or not. For working dives, I use a rebreather as a tool and it needs to 'just work', But for play? It's fun to 'hack the system' and dive something I built myself. Most of us here feel the same way. Pure 02 rigs are a ball... and the ones built from Home Depot parts are rewarding and interesting learning tools. Making a DSV helps people understand what they consist of... and all learning is good. This is a homebuilders forum! "Buy It" has it's place, but this is not it... But if I was gonna buy a DSV, I'd buy it from Golem, which is pretty funny considering the earlier posters comment...... Sometimes you just gotta laugh. Best, Dave . __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com Last edited by Dave Sutton : 27th January 2008 at 02:56.
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27th January 2008, 09:38	#14 (permalink)
Packhorse Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Auckland New Zealand Posts: 106	Re: home made dsv Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) That's the problem. You don't know who you are dealing with or criticizing, and we do. ..........Suggest, with all further due respect, that you observe here quietly and politely for a little while and figure out who is who before tossing stones at the old timers. Dave . With all due respect Dave I was not criticizing or "tossing stones" I was simply asking a question. The comment on his site struck me as strange and was wondering about the reason for it. Sorry If I caused any offence. It certainly was not intended. Just call me an inquisitive idiot!! __________________ There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
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28th January 2008, 01:18	#15 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,907	Re: home made dsv Quote: (Originally Posted by Packhorse) With all due respect Dave I was not criticizing or "tossing stones" I was simply asking a question. The comment on his site struck me as strange and was wondering about the reason for it. It's called humor! It's an artifact from an earlier time when the old gang enjoyed a certain sense of friendly banter that hid some important things behind a veneer of laughter. Go read the Crestline Experimental Diving Unit pages to get a full feel of this. Read the "Honors of the Association" pages there and you'll "get it". I can see how read in a vacuum you might have found what you read strange. So, no foul, and welcome aboard. Dave . __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com Last edited by Dave Sutton : 28th January 2008 at 01:20.
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28th January 2008, 03:57	#16 (permalink)
fireman rEvo combat swimmer Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: chicago Posts: 549	Re: home made dsv I have dived with a homeman DSV, it was next to godlyness. I have a BOV now. This is nothing, you should check out Chickenhead labs and CEDU. As I understand it to be a member of CEDU you have to home make an O2 rig and do a mile "combat" swim underwater (I don't know if its mandatory that you survive...Its on my "bucket list") Hey its all about keeping life interesting. __________________ Heres to you Capt. Bill Never Forget, and stay safe everyone.
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28th January 2008, 12:16	#17 (permalink)
DanFountain This is my custom title! Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lake Superior Posts: 113	Re: home made dsv The point has been made in other threads that sometimes the only difference between a homebuilder and a manufacturer is time. Here's an early homebuilder diving a one-off, self-built rebreather. Note the DSV. Dr. Bob, Patrick Duffy, Tom Rose, even Bill Stone - none of these guys probably "invented" this use of the hardware store ball valve. Form follows function. Here's my version of the PVCBVDSV: It's a 1" PVC ball valve, drilled axially to accept a 3/4" PVC pipe (thinwall!), heated and shaped to an oval to fit a standard mouthpiece. Valve body is bored out to fit the mushroom valves from an Interspiro quasi-AGA mask (included with the BioPak 240 "rebreather kit"). Is the 7/8" bore of this DSV too small, considering the rest of the loop is 1-1/8" and greater diameter? Probably, but then again, where is the smallest restriction in the loop? I'd guess it's the gap between your upper and lower incisors as you grip the mouthpiece. In-depth dive report to follow. I'm almost afraid to show pics of my homebuilt BOV... -Dan __________________ Try not. Do - or do not. There is no try. -Yoda
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28th January 2008, 15:34	#18 (permalink)
teksimple RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Haifa Street, Baghdad Posts: 514	Re: home made dsv Obviously someone got the wrong idea when a RBW sponsor posted a link on what turned out to a very humorous site. It sucks being a sponsor sometimes, because everyone misinterprets your intentions. If you do not understand some of the humor on RBW, you obviously need to be saved. __________________ ---- _____________ "I don't know the percentage of the Internet that's valid, do you? Jesus, it's scary." - Hunter S. Thompson
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28th January 2008, 22:22	#19 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,907	Re: home made dsv Quote: (Originally Posted by teksimple) If you do not understand some of the humor on RBW, you obviously need to be saved. You really need to post a "swallow coffee before opening this link" warning... I hate cleaning off my computer.... Dave . __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com
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28th January 2008, 22:51	#20 (permalink)
fireman rEvo combat swimmer Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: chicago Posts: 549	Re: home made dsv Coffee...I peed in my pants __________________ Heres to you Capt. Bill Never Forget, and stay safe everyone.
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