Hollis PRISM II & DEMA 2007

***Louby Lou*** · 1st November 2007, 15:37

Hi Guys

Not had a chance to get to these guys and have a good chat with them, but we've some general photos of the unit on display here at DEMA uploaded into the gallery now and below:

Hollis PRISM II

Edit.. there will be more detailed pictures coming later

***caveseeker7*** · 1st November 2007, 15:58

Thanks Lou and Beanie!

The cowling is hideous, way to Bee Gees for me ...

The gas flow direction has been reversed, now from the diver's left counterlung and exhaled into the diver's right, opposite as before.
Good thing, too, as this translates into the cylinders being on the
"normal sides", O2 on the diver's right and dil on his left.

Gas flow is still from the center to the outside in the scrubber,
so the plenum in the head has changed.

BCD and Air2 have been replaced with Oceanic/Hollis products.

Secondary is the same, from what I understand the production version
is supposed to have a digital secondary.

Remember it's just a prototype, not the production version yet.
I believe is scheduled for March 08.

jbpccr · 1st November 2007, 17:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Thanks Lou and Beanie!

The cowling is hideous, way to Bee Gees for me ...

The gas flow direction has been reversed, now from the diver's left counterlung and exhaled into the diver's right, opposite as before.
Good thing, too, as this translates into the cylinders being on the
"normal sides", O2 on the diver's right and dil on his left.

Gas flow is still from the center to the outside in the scrubber,
so the plenum in the head has changed.

BCD and Air2 have been replaced with Oceanic/Hollis products.

Secondary is the same, from what I understand the production version
is supposed to have a digital secondary.

Remember it's just a prototype, not the production version yet.
I believe is scheduled for March 08.

Caveseeker,
Any expected change in cells with a digital secondary that you're aware of?

***caveseeker7*** · 1st November 2007, 18:13

Absolutely no idea whatsoever (unless there is an expression for less than that

)

The SMS202 sensor is a Steam Machines design, so I asume they profit from selling it.
One good reason to keep it.

The ability to retrofit older units with the new digital secondary, or even offer the analog gauge
for the new would be another good reason IMHO.

But your guess is as good as mine.

silent running · 1st November 2007, 18:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by jbpccr)

Caveseeker,
Any expected change in cells with a digital secondary that you're aware of?

Last I heard, they were going to keep the passive 2 dry as an option, so that would mean keeping the high output sensors...

gkndivebum · 4th November 2007, 01:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

[...] Secondary is the same, from what I understand
the production version is supposed to have a digital secondary.
[...]

Well, nobody said anything about that to me, including Pete, Sharon & folks from
Hollis, and I've been here all week hanging around... I'd be a bit surprised ... in all
honesty, the analog secondary is pretty much what defines the PRISM and changing
that would be nuts (IMHO).

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Remember it's just a prototype, not the production version yet. I believe is scheduled for March 08.

Ah, would that be March 90th or March 120th?

Chris · 4th November 2007, 04:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by gkndivebum)

Well, nobody said anything about that to me, including Pete, Sharon & folks from
Hollis, and I've been here all week hanging around... I'd be a bit surprised ... in all
honesty, the analog secondary is pretty much what defines the PRISM and changing
that would be nuts (IMHO).

Shaz did say they are working on a digital display for the P2 and that it would be an option as to either the analog or a digital on order.

She was saying the issue is "protecting the cells", and that the current digital displays that are on the market "can harm the cells" Maybe Pete or Shaz would like to give us some more information...

Had lots of touch & feel on the P2 it is a very different beast on the current SMI model...

Cheers
Chriso

silent running · 4th November 2007, 09:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chris)

Had lots of touch & feel on the P2 it is a very different beast on the current SMI model...

Cheers
Chriso

So Chriso, you felt her up? Was she more sturdy than her sister?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Chris · 4th November 2007, 11:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running)

So Chriso, you felt her up? Was she more sturdy than her sister?

Inquiring minds want to know...

No the P2 on the stand was made of the same materials as the Prism, except the DSV....

Major sticking point for me, they really need to look at sturdier materials all the way through. I believe now Hollis have their hands on it the P2 is not going to be made in the States for much longer. We may well see some new materials sometime next year....

Will be interesting to see how long SMI support the current PRISM for...

Cheers
Chriso

RonMicjan · 4th November 2007, 12:11

swap the loop direction, shiny new shell and call it a Prism 2??? give me a break, same-o same-o, might as well put some new tires on my car and sell it as new too! Maybe with oceanic doing the build they could actually deliver some units in a timely manner.

1st November 2007, 15:37	#1 (permalink)
*Louby Lou* Slave to an MSc Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Roman Corinium! Posts: 1,016	Hollis PRISM II & DEMA 2007 Hi Guys Not had a chance to get to these guys and have a good chat with them, but we've some general photos of the unit on display here at DEMA uploaded into the gallery now and below: *Hollis PRISM II* Edit.. there will be more detailed pictures coming later __________________ Miss Lou x Use of Rebreather World is subject to the Rebreatherworld Terms and Conditions - Please read! Outlaw Divers - Sssh we're diving! You heff vays uff dealink vis zem, oh Miss Rebreather World Admin! - Rob Davie Feb 06 Last edited by Louby Lou : 1st November 2007 at 15:41.
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1st November 2007, 15:58	#2 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,284	Re: Hollis PRISM II & DEMA 2007 Thanks Lou and Beanie! The cowling is hideous, way to Bee Gees for me ... The gas flow direction has been reversed, now from the diver's left counterlung and exhaled into the diver's right, opposite as before. Good thing, too, as this translates into the cylinders being on the "normal sides", O2 on the diver's right and dil on his left. Gas flow is still from the center to the outside in the scrubber, so the plenum in the head has changed. BCD and Air2 have been replaced with Oceanic/Hollis products. Secondary is the same, from what I understand the production version is supposed to have a digital secondary. Remember it's just a prototype, not the production version yet. I believe is scheduled for March 08. __________________ Cheers Stefan Be Water, My Friend - Bruce Lee Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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1st November 2007, 17:06	#3 (permalink)
jbpccr New Member Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 17	Re: Hollis PRISM II & DEMA 2007 Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Thanks Lou and Beanie! The cowling is hideous, way to Bee Gees for me ... The gas flow direction has been reversed, now from the diver's left counterlung and exhaled into the diver's right, opposite as before. Good thing, too, as this translates into the cylinders being on the "normal sides", O2 on the diver's right and dil on his left. Gas flow is still from the center to the outside in the scrubber, so the plenum in the head has changed. BCD and Air2 have been replaced with Oceanic/Hollis products. Secondary is the same, from what I understand the production version is supposed to have a digital secondary. Remember it's just a prototype, not the production version yet. I believe is scheduled for March 08. Caveseeker, Any expected change in cells with a digital secondary that you're aware of?
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1st November 2007, 18:13	#4 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,284	Re: Hollis PRISM II & DEMA 2007 Absolutely no idea whatsoever (unless there is an expression for less than that ) The SMS202 sensor is a Steam Machines design, so I asume they profit from selling it. One good reason to keep it. The ability to retrofit older units with the new digital secondary, or even offer the analog gauge for the new would be another good reason IMHO. But your guess is as good as mine. __________________ Cheers Stefan Be Water, My Friend - Bruce Lee Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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1st November 2007, 18:16	#5 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,743	Re: Hollis PRISM II & DEMA 2007 Quote: (Originally Posted by jbpccr) Caveseeker, Any expected change in cells with a digital secondary that you're aware of? Last I heard, they were going to keep the passive 2 dry as an option, so that would mean keeping the high output sensors...
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4th November 2007, 01:01	#6 (permalink)
gkndivebum PRISM diver Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Kona, HI Posts: 60	Re: Hollis PRISM II & DEMA 2007 Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) [...] Secondary is the same, from what I understand the production version is supposed to have a digital secondary. [...] Well, nobody said anything about that to me, including Pete, Sharon & folks from Hollis, and I've been here all week hanging around... I'd be a bit surprised ... in all honesty, the analog secondary is pretty much what defines the PRISM and changing that would be nuts (IMHO). Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Remember it's just a prototype, not the production version yet. I believe is scheduled for March 08. Ah, would that be March 90th or March 120th? __________________ Best regards - gkn -- Gerard K. Newman - Kona, HI
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4th November 2007, 04:42	#7 (permalink)
Chris Go Nude Or Go Home Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 599	Re: Hollis PRISM II & DEMA 2007 Quote: (Originally Posted by gkndivebum) Well, nobody said anything about that to me, including Pete, Sharon & folks from Hollis, and I've been here all week hanging around... I'd be a bit surprised ... in all honesty, the analog secondary is pretty much what defines the PRISM and changing that would be nuts (IMHO). Shaz did say they are working on a digital display for the P2 and that it would be an option as to either the analog or a digital on order. She was saying the issue is "protecting the cells", and that the current digital displays that are on the market "can harm the cells" Maybe Pete or Shaz would like to give us some more information... Had lots of touch & feel on the P2 it is a very different beast on the current SMI model... Cheers Chriso __________________ Megalodon Sorb and Sensors whilst in Australia www.divetub.com.au Diving & Photography @ www.uwphotog.com
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4th November 2007, 09:26	#8 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,743	Re: Hollis PRISM II & DEMA 2007 Quote: (Originally Posted by Chris) Had lots of touch & feel on the P2 it is a very different beast on the current SMI model... Cheers Chriso So Chriso, you felt her up? Was she more sturdy than her sister? Inquiring minds want to know...
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4th November 2007, 11:25	#9 (permalink)
Chris Go Nude Or Go Home Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 599	Re: Hollis PRISM II & DEMA 2007 Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running) So Chriso, you felt her up? Was she more sturdy than her sister? Inquiring minds want to know... No the P2 on the stand was made of the same materials as the Prism, except the DSV.... Major sticking point for me, they really need to look at sturdier materials all the way through. I believe now Hollis have their hands on it the P2 is not going to be made in the States for much longer. We may well see some new materials sometime next year.... Will be interesting to see how long SMI support the current PRISM for... Cheers Chriso __________________ Megalodon Sorb and Sensors whilst in Australia www.divetub.com.au Diving & Photography @ www.uwphotog.com
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4th November 2007, 12:11	#10 (permalink)
RonMicjan Cap Ron scourge of the NW Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cape Disapointment, The Graveyard of the Pacific Posts: 1,081	Re: Hollis PRISM II & DEMA 2007 swap the loop direction, shiny new shell and call it a Prism 2??? give me a break, same-o same-o, might as well put some new tires on my car and sell it as new too! Maybe with oceanic doing the build they could actually deliver some units in a timely manner. __________________ Ron "Life is pain princess, anyone who tells you different, is selling something", The Dread Pirate Wesley. www.tmishop.com Diving bits etc.
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