New Hh Or Meg?

mempilot · 13th May 2008, 06:09

I'm sorry. I couldn't resist. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? LOL.

mempilot · 13th May 2008, 06:17

Scrubber Choices? LOL again.

Oh wait. Scrubber picture 2 was actually made for the Meg originally. My bad. That makes 6 scrubber options that fit the Meg. Oh wait. There are a couple of new ones from ISC not pictured. My bad.

mempilot · 13th May 2008, 06:19

Designed for a Meg, utilized at less than MSRP for the HH. Hmmm. Sorry, gotta LOL at this one two.

mempilot · 13th May 2008, 06:27

I'm sure Apec3.0 will give the HH electronics a run for their money, but hey, if ISC works something out with Shearwater.... Watch out!

All us po folk down on lowly GEN1 Megs that are oh so simple might just be players again with the big folk table.

Don't forget, if the foundation is rock solid and the improvements are the same as what's OEM on the comp, then the only thing holding it back are the absense of the electronics. That won't be the case very much longer, and isn't the case when comparing a Meg with a SW or HH and BOV to a HHCCR.

Scrubbers, well, how many HH owners really need a radial scrubber? Most people throw out 2 to 3 pounds of good sorb every dive day in an axial. Make that 3 to 5 in a radial. This is one of the bling blings that most divers don't need but makes a great add on for those that do.

But hey, if someone else is offering up the Avalanche with 22 inch rims, then the Expedition ought to be the same, right?

mempilot · 13th May 2008, 06:32

BTW, my frequent divebuddy up in this interesting thread dives a HH. I think it's an awesome machine, so don't go putting flaming bags of dog shite on my doorstep. I just think some of the arguments are hilarious, since they are both great units. One has an outstanding reputation to stand on. The other builds that reputation every day it does what it was designed to do.

They both beat the crap out of an Optima

. Oh I'm gonna get flamed for that one!

(this is a joke aimed at my other buddies and not meant to hurt anyone's feelings that aren't part of the flame war)

Lancer4545 · 13th May 2008, 07:56

Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot)

Scrubbers, well, how many HH owners really need a radial scrubber? Most people throw out 2 to 3 pounds of good sorb every dive day in an axial. Make that 3 to 5 in a radial. This is one of the bling blings that most divers don't need but makes a great add on for those that do.

Eric,

This is a very good point and one I have been passing on to anyone enquiring about a new unit.

I fit the scrubber which will best suit the diving I am doing. A day trip out on a boat with a couple of short dives and I fit the axial and a long deep dive and I fit the radial.

The other consideration is the sorb that's available where you'll be diving. Using the big chunky stuff and there is no way I'd put it in a radial.....

It's good to have options but I am sure you could fit a Meg axial into a HH if you needed to.

Regards,

Lance

MarcLaukien · 13th May 2008, 11:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by Lancer4545)

The other consideration is the sorb that's available where you'll be diving. Using the big chunky stuff and there is now way I'd put it in a radial.....

The official recommendation from Golem Gear is to use 8-12, however, during my HH class with Joe we used 4-8 without any problems. (Note, however, that all the dives during the class were relatively shallow.)

The HH is a new unit, so it's understandable that it doesn't have so many options for scrubbers yet. I'm sure over time other scrubber options will become available.

***jradomski*** · 13th May 2008, 13:35

Quote: (Originally Posted by Lancer4545)

Eric,

This is a very good point and one I have been passing on to anyone enquiring about a new unit.

I fit the scrubber which will best suit the diving I am doing. A day trip out on a boat with a couple of short dives and I fit the axial and a long deep dive and I fit the radial.

The other consideration is the sorb that's available where you'll be diving. Using the big chunky stuff and there is no way I'd put it in a radial.....

It's good to have options but I am sure you could fit a Meg axial into a HH if you needed to.

Regards,

Lance

even the CIS scrubber which has a much shorter gas path than the golem scrubber was tested and specified to be able to use 4-8 mesh..

silent running · 13th May 2008, 22:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot)

Scrubbers, well, how many HH owners really need a radial scrubber? Most people throw out 2 to 3 pounds of good sorb every dive day in an axial. Make that 3 to 5 in a radial. This is one of the bling blings that most divers don't need but makes a great add on for those that do.

Hi mp, the lower WOB of a typical radial due to the shorter grain boundary is reason enough to have one. The manufacturer of the Prism certainly doesn't regard a radial scrubber as bling, it's standard equipment and integral to the system design.

As for duration, some of us dive many days in a row in far away places where we must bring our own sorb. The increased duration which comes from a good radial allows for more diving with less travel weight and less hassel. Just returned from 2 weeks of diving in Indonesia changing sorb every other day-50 hrs from 6 fills, 1 20 kg container, even had 1 fill left over. My axial Meg diving buddy had to bring 50% more sorb, paid more in excess baggage charges and sometimes had to change his scrubber in the middle of the dive day. I'd bet he'll have a radial before his next overseas trip...

**RichClark** · 13th May 2008, 22:21

Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running)

Hi mp, the lower WOB of a typical radial due to the shorter grain boundary is reason enough to have one. The manufacturer of the Prism certainly doesn't regard a radial scrubber as bling, it's standard equipment and integral to the system design.

As for duration, some of us dive many days in a row in far away places where we must bring our own sorb. The increased duration which comes from a good radial allows for more diving with less travel weight and less hassel. Just returned from 2 weeks of diving in Indonesia changing sorb every other day-50 hrs from 6 fills, 1 20 kg container, even had 1 fill left over. My axial Meg diving buddy had to bring 50% more sorb, paid more in excess baggage charges and sometimes had to change his scrubber in the middle of the dive day. I'd bet he'll have a radial before his next overseas trip...

I think these two reasons are often understated (particularly) the first when people discuss Radials. I think that most people simply consider a radial as extra scrubber time that's not required for the dive.... Right tool for the job and all that!

With that said, I dive a KISS, so don't have the luxury of choice.

Cheers

Rich

13th May 2008, 06:27	#74 (permalink)
mempilot Eric Stadtmueller Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,708	Re: New Hh Or Meg? I'm sure Apec3.0 will give the HH electronics a run for their money, but hey, if ISC works something out with Shearwater.... Watch out! All us po folk down on lowly GEN1 Megs that are oh so simple might just be players again with the big folk table. Don't forget, if the foundation is rock solid and the improvements are the same as what's OEM on the comp, then the only thing holding it back are the absense of the electronics. That won't be the case very much longer, and isn't the case when comparing a Meg with a SW or HH and BOV to a HHCCR. Scrubbers, well, how many HH owners really need a radial scrubber? Most people throw out 2 to 3 pounds of good sorb every dive day in an axial. Make that 3 to 5 in a radial. This is one of the bling blings that most divers don't need but makes a great add on for those that do. But hey, if someone else is offering up the Avalanche with 22 inch rims, then the Expedition ought to be the same, right? __________________ Eric Stadtmueller, otherwise known as, MEM "Da Pilot"
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13th May 2008, 06:32	#75 (permalink)
mempilot Eric Stadtmueller Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,708	Re: New Hh Or Meg? BTW, my frequent divebuddy up in this interesting thread dives a HH. I think it's an awesome machine, so don't go putting flaming bags of dog shite on my doorstep. I just think some of the arguments are hilarious, since they are both great units. One has an outstanding reputation to stand on. The other builds that reputation every day it does what it was designed to do. They both beat the crap out of an Optima . Oh I'm gonna get flamed for that one! (this is a joke aimed at my other buddies and not meant to hurt anyone's feelings that aren't part of the flame war) __________________ Eric Stadtmueller, otherwise known as, MEM "Da Pilot"
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13th May 2008, 07:56	#76 (permalink)
Lancer4545 RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cairns QLD Australia Posts: 745	Re: New Hh Or Meg? Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot) Scrubbers, well, how many HH owners really need a radial scrubber? Most people throw out 2 to 3 pounds of good sorb every dive day in an axial. Make that 3 to 5 in a radial. This is one of the bling blings that most divers don't need but makes a great add on for those that do. Eric, This is a very good point and one I have been passing on to anyone enquiring about a new unit. I fit the scrubber which will best suit the diving I am doing. A day trip out on a boat with a couple of short dives and I fit the axial and a long deep dive and I fit the radial. The other consideration is the sorb that's available where you'll be diving. Using the big chunky stuff and there is no way I'd put it in a radial..... It's good to have options but I am sure you could fit a Meg axial into a HH if you needed to. Regards, Lance __________________ You can run but you can't hide! ISC Appointed Megalodon Dealer for East Australia http://www.closedcircuitdivers.com.au info@closedcircuitdivers.com.au Last edited by Lancer4545 : 13th May 2008 at 11:58. Reason: sp
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13th May 2008, 11:47	#77 (permalink)
MarcLaukien RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Other Rebreather/s: Optima Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South East Florida Posts: 208	Re: New Hh Or Meg? Quote: (Originally Posted by Lancer4545) The other consideration is the sorb that's available where you'll be diving. Using the big chunky stuff and there is now way I'd put it in a radial..... The official recommendation from Golem Gear is to use 8-12, however, during my HH class with Joe we used 4-8 without any problems. (Note, however, that all the dives during the class were relatively shallow.) The HH is a new unit, so it's understandable that it doesn't have so many options for scrubbers yet. I'm sure over time other scrubber options will become available.
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13th May 2008, 13:35	#78 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,113	Re: New Hh Or Meg? Quote: (Originally Posted by Lancer4545) Eric, This is a very good point and one I have been passing on to anyone enquiring about a new unit. I fit the scrubber which will best suit the diving I am doing. A day trip out on a boat with a couple of short dives and I fit the axial and a long deep dive and I fit the radial. The other consideration is the sorb that's available where you'll be diving. Using the big chunky stuff and there is no way I'd put it in a radial..... It's good to have options but I am sure you could fit a Meg axial into a HH if you needed to. Regards, Lance even the CIS scrubber which has a much shorter gas path than the golem scrubber was tested and specified to be able to use 4-8 mesh.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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13th May 2008, 22:10	#79 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,873	Re: New Hh Or Meg? Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot) Scrubbers, well, how many HH owners really need a radial scrubber? Most people throw out 2 to 3 pounds of good sorb every dive day in an axial. Make that 3 to 5 in a radial. This is one of the bling blings that most divers don't need but makes a great add on for those that do. Hi mp, the lower WOB of a typical radial due to the shorter grain boundary is reason enough to have one. The manufacturer of the Prism certainly doesn't regard a radial scrubber as bling, it's standard equipment and integral to the system design. As for duration, some of us dive many days in a row in far away places where we must bring our own sorb. The increased duration which comes from a good radial allows for more diving with less travel weight and less hassel. Just returned from 2 weeks of diving in Indonesia changing sorb every other day-50 hrs from 6 fills, 1 20 kg container, even had 1 fill left over. My axial Meg diving buddy had to bring 50% more sorb, paid more in excess baggage charges and sometimes had to change his scrubber in the middle of the dive day. I'd bet he'll have a radial before his next overseas trip...
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13th May 2008, 22:21	#80 (permalink)
RichClark Classic KISS No. 226 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hove, UK Posts: 793	Re: New Hh Or Meg? Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running) Hi mp, the lower WOB of a typical radial due to the shorter grain boundary is reason enough to have one. The manufacturer of the Prism certainly doesn't regard a radial scrubber as bling, it's standard equipment and integral to the system design. As for duration, some of us dive many days in a row in far away places where we must bring our own sorb. The increased duration which comes from a good radial allows for more diving with less travel weight and less hassel. Just returned from 2 weeks of diving in Indonesia changing sorb every other day-50 hrs from 6 fills, 1 20 kg container, even had 1 fill left over. My axial Meg diving buddy had to bring 50% more sorb, paid more in excess baggage charges and sometimes had to change his scrubber in the middle of the dive day. I'd bet he'll have a radial before his next overseas trip... I think these two reasons are often understated (particularly) the first when people discuss Radials. I think that most people simply consider a radial as extra scrubber time that's not required for the dive.... Right tool for the job and all that! With that said, I dive a KISS, so don't have the luxury of choice. Cheers Rich __________________ The more I learn about women, the more I want to go diving... just don't tell my wife I said that To taste something a little different, try http://www.thechillikitchen.co.uk
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