counter lung lead

Ivon · 18th January 2007, 22:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mary)

Just out of interest how many guys have their lead integral to their unit vs the ladies?

I know I certainly wouldn't be able to lift my kit around the place if I had integral lead yet this seems fairly common amongst male friends. I have a couple of 1kg on the cambands for the tanks for trim and my torch battery sits in the velcro pocket on the top but otherwise it's a case of release the crotch strap and then weight belt (shot so should slide easily). Thankfully never had to do it for real however did accidently forget to put it on one time (note to self if the waist-strap is suddenly too big there IS a reason - and it's not knocking off the jaffa cakes), I couldn't get off the surface for love nor money.

Mary, mine consists of 2 x 1.5 ltr, one air for the suit and one spare O2. I also have a 3kg torch that is butt mounted onto the box out of the way. i can manage to walk down to the water at Stoney but prefer to roll over the side of my boat with twin 80's.

When it's dive prepped yea, it's bloody heavy, more heavy than I would like. But when were putting it into the boat it goes in in pieces, I still get pissed off with the weight though and the clutter on the front when it's set up.

aquaholic · 18th January 2007, 23:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mary)

Just out of interest how many guys have their lead integral to their unit vs the ladies?

I carry all my weight on the unit (CK). Weight consists of 2kg head weight, 3kg lead behind backplate and 5mm steel backplate. I use 7L steel drive tanks and a separate 1.5l tank for suit inflation.

Anke

Ivon · 18th January 2007, 23:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by jmurba)

Hi yvon,
ha ok I understand, but I can't understand why your wing could not lift you in case of loop floading.
If you are just balanced on slightly negative with you 3 kilos if your loop is drown you will loose only 6 or 7 liters/kg of boyancy that your wing could compensate or ligthen no ?

regards

jean mi

No, my rig could be finned up with a bit off effort with a full flood but I wouldn't try it for fun. I have just ordered an Oxycheq wing from the US as I thought it would give me the best lift an would fit well. Needless to say I was the Guinea pig on the rig, cost me a bloody fortune in customs but is a great fit. As mentioned a review to come.

Big up,to GolemGear

pchanning · 19th January 2007, 13:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by jmurba)

paul ok , but a big wing with small dill tanks to feed it is it the solution ?
do you mean a dedicated tanks to boyancy rescue ?
an other tank....how many tanks ar we goin to carry ?

No, just a seperate suit inflate bottle or run a wing off a stage a la Boris. If 2 wings (wetsuit diving) then 1 using inboard & 1 offboard stage etc. Use the same LP hoses to help to recovering redundancy (if possible).

**jmurba** · 22nd January 2007, 20:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by pchanning)

No, just a seperate suit inflate bottle or run a wing off a stage a la Boris. If 2 wings (wetsuit diving) then 1 using inboard & 1 offboard stage etc. Use the same LP hoses to help to recovering redundancy (if possible).

which volume ?

pchanning · 22nd January 2007, 23:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by jmurba)

which volume ?

Whatever suits your dive. Inboard cylinders are enough for most things. Are you doing something different?

**jmurba** · 23rd January 2007, 09:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by pchanning)

Whatever suits your dive. Inboard cylinders are enough for most things. Are you doing something different?

No I am not I am looking for a solution that's we i ask every body.
i realise that droping the lead is not a piece of cake cause most of the time it is located in inaccessible places due to trim necessity, so i am sensible to your solution.
In addition, the poll is really interresting, are they right or wrong the a majority of divers can't drop the lead.
Finding a solution to be able to drop the lead attached for example on the back plate is not easy.
Well nothing is easy anyway....

regards

jean mi

**jmurba** · 23rd January 2007, 10:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by aquaholic)

I carry all my weight on the unit (CK). Weight consists of 2kg head weight, 3kg lead behind backplate and 5mm steel backplate. I use 7L steel drive tanks and a separate 1.5l tank for suit inflation.

Anke

can u detach the backplate lead ?

regards

jean mi

**jmurba** · 23rd January 2007, 17:05

Hi All,

thinking about the problem I found a solution to my problem.
I have 2 3kg lead bars attached to my backplate.
I will attach them on he back plate (verticaly) with plastic rilsan, then o will attach a rope to both bars . at the nd of the rop I will put a crab to attach them on my chest D rings.
In case of a problem I will detach the carbs and pull on the rope to brake the rilsans and and detach the bars from the back plate.
the rilsans are weak enough to break, if they break un-intentionnaly they will remain attached to the D ring, so no hazard of losing them with no reason.

I will try that and let you know if it works or not.

I will also wait the end of the poll to see.

regards

jean mi

bletso · 23rd January 2007, 21:58

Jean Mi,

All my lead is on my unit. 5kg on the shell, 5kg for the cage, 3.5kg SS backplate, a steel2l of O2, a 1.2l for Ar, which all together is just enough to get me down with the drysuit. I use a Dive Rite Classic wing which is more than enough to bring up all that. Plus I also have the drysuit for backup inflation.

I have never come up with a way to make any of it ditchable. If I need less, I just take out the screwdriver. It is all pretty high up towards my shoulders and down to just above the waist. For me it gives me good trim. (My back has an aversion to a weight belt on long dives.)

Dale

View Poll Results: can you drop your lead
yes a part of it	29	36.71%
yes all the lead	22	27.85%
I cant' drop the lead	28	35.44%
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18th January 2007, 22:54	#21 (permalink)
Ivon Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hull, East Yorkshire, England Posts: 318	Re: counter lung lead Quote: (Originally Posted by Mary) Just out of interest how many guys have their lead integral to their unit vs the ladies? I know I certainly wouldn't be able to lift my kit around the place if I had integral lead yet this seems fairly common amongst male friends. I have a couple of 1kg on the cambands for the tanks for trim and my torch battery sits in the velcro pocket on the top but otherwise it's a case of release the crotch strap and then weight belt (shot so should slide easily). Thankfully never had to do it for real however did accidently forget to put it on one time (note to self if the waist-strap is suddenly too big there IS a reason - and it's not knocking off the jaffa cakes), I couldn't get off the surface for love nor money. Mary, mine consists of 2 x 1.5 ltr, one air for the suit and one spare O2. I also have a 3kg torch that is butt mounted onto the box out of the way. i can manage to walk down to the water at Stoney but prefer to roll over the side of my boat with twin 80's. When it's dive prepped yea, it's bloody heavy, more heavy than I would like. But when were putting it into the boat it goes in in pieces, I still get pissed off with the weight though and the clutter on the front when it's set up.
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18th January 2007, 23:16	#22 (permalink)
aquaholic hohum Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 101	Re: counter lung lead Quote: (Originally Posted by Mary) Just out of interest how many guys have their lead integral to their unit vs the ladies? I carry all my weight on the unit (CK). Weight consists of 2kg head weight, 3kg lead behind backplate and 5mm steel backplate. I use 7L steel drive tanks and a separate 1.5l tank for suit inflation. Anke __________________ Trying things different to the norm is the route to a new norm....
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18th January 2007, 23:37	#23 (permalink)
Ivon Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hull, East Yorkshire, England Posts: 318	Re: counter lung lead Quote: (Originally Posted by jmurba) Hi yvon, ha ok I understand, but I can't understand why your wing could not lift you in case of loop floading. If you are just balanced on slightly negative with you 3 kilos if your loop is drown you will loose only 6 or 7 liters/kg of boyancy that your wing could compensate or ligthen no ? regards jean mi No, my rig could be finned up with a bit off effort with a full flood but I wouldn't try it for fun. I have just ordered an Oxycheq wing from the US as I thought it would give me the best lift an would fit well. Needless to say I was the Guinea pig on the rig, cost me a bloody fortune in customs but is a great fit. As mentioned a review to come. Big up,to GolemGear
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19th January 2007, 13:13	#24 (permalink)
pchanning PFO free :) Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: fixed! Posts: 454	Re: counter lung lead Quote: (Originally Posted by jmurba) paul ok , but a big wing with small dill tanks to feed it is it the solution ? do you mean a dedicated tanks to boyancy rescue ? an other tank....how many tanks ar we goin to carry ? No, just a seperate suit inflate bottle or run a wing off a stage a la Boris. If 2 wings (wetsuit diving) then 1 using inboard & 1 offboard stage etc. Use the same LP hoses to help to recovering redundancy (if possible). __________________ Cheers Paul The key to enlightenment... is survival.
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22nd January 2007, 20:47	#25 (permalink)
jmurba wet bear Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: cannes france Posts: 920	Re: counter lung lead Quote: (Originally Posted by pchanning) No, just a seperate suit inflate bottle or run a wing off a stage a la Boris. If 2 wings (wetsuit diving) then 1 using inboard & 1 offboard stage etc. Use the same LP hoses to help to recovering redundancy (if possible). which volume ?
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22nd January 2007, 23:20	#26 (permalink)
pchanning PFO free :) Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: fixed! Posts: 454	Re: counter lung lead Quote: (Originally Posted by jmurba) which volume ? Whatever suits your dive. Inboard cylinders are enough for most things. Are you doing something different? __________________ Cheers Paul The key to enlightenment... is survival.
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23rd January 2007, 09:58	#27 (permalink)
jmurba wet bear Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: cannes france Posts: 920	Re: counter lung lead Quote: (Originally Posted by pchanning) Whatever suits your dive. Inboard cylinders are enough for most things. Are you doing something different? No I am not I am looking for a solution that's we i ask every body. i realise that droping the lead is not a piece of cake cause most of the time it is located in inaccessible places due to trim necessity, so i am sensible to your solution. In addition, the poll is really interresting, are they right or wrong the a majority of divers can't drop the lead. Finding a solution to be able to drop the lead attached for example on the back plate is not easy. Well nothing is easy anyway.... regards jean mi
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23rd January 2007, 10:03	#28 (permalink)
jmurba wet bear Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: cannes france Posts: 920	Re: counter lung lead Quote: (Originally Posted by aquaholic) I carry all my weight on the unit (CK). Weight consists of 2kg head weight, 3kg lead behind backplate and 5mm steel backplate. I use 7L steel drive tanks and a separate 1.5l tank for suit inflation. Anke can u detach the backplate lead ? regards jean mi
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23rd January 2007, 17:05	#29 (permalink)
jmurba wet bear Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: cannes france Posts: 920	Re: counter lung lead Hi All, thinking about the problem I found a solution to my problem. I have 2 3kg lead bars attached to my backplate. I will attach them on he back plate (verticaly) with plastic rilsan, then o will attach a rope to both bars . at the nd of the rop I will put a crab to attach them on my chest D rings. In case of a problem I will detach the carbs and pull on the rope to brake the rilsans and and detach the bars from the back plate. the rilsans are weak enough to break, if they break un-intentionnaly they will remain attached to the D ring, so no hazard of losing them with no reason. I will try that and let you know if it works or not. I will also wait the end of the poll to see. regards jean mi
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23rd January 2007, 21:58	#30 (permalink)
bletso An independent diver. Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville, KY, USA Posts: 263	Re: counter lung lead Jean Mi, All my lead is on my unit. 5kg on the shell, 5kg for the cage, 3.5kg SS backplate, a steel2l of O2, a 1.2l for Ar, which all together is just enough to get me down with the drysuit. I use a Dive Rite Classic wing which is more than enough to bring up all that. Plus I also have the drysuit for backup inflation. I have never come up with a way to make any of it ditchable. If I need less, I just take out the screwdriver. It is all pretty high up towards my shoulders and down to just above the waist. For me it gives me good trim. (My back has an aversion to a weight belt on long dives.) Dale
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