the extended air advantage

diverklondike · 18th December 2006, 17:21

Quote: (Originally Posted by MarkZ)

Tests for interesting reading, interesting for who? Even forgetting the fact that the EAC's are significantly more expensive, are not environmentally friendly and not easier to travel with the duration comparison is simply not true. Silent Diving had a side by side comparison done a year or so ago by an independent lab and the EAC's not only did not perform as well they were lacking to the extent that the adapters are no longer available. I personally have nothing against the EAC's as the company is local, they are a nice idea, and they do make changing scrubber easier but I really resent false hype of advantages. Comparing apples to apples EAC's simply are an easier way to change scrubber that one must pay a high price in a couple of ways over the traditional scrubber types.

Mark,

I am not sure that I would consider SDS an expert on EAC.

M

MarkZ · 18th December 2006, 18:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike)

Mark,

I am not sure that I would consider SDS an expert on EAC.

M

Mark,

They are not and the tests were done by an independent lab in NY. This was not a hostile situation, actually quite the opposite as SDS wanted to carry and promote the EAC's as an option but were required for liability reasons to make sure they were suitable as an alturnative. SDS spent in the low 5 figures getting it tested only to find out that they were not equivalent and were very disappointed. I don't think there was a great difference but it was enough to rule out one to one substitution. As this information was never made public or used in any way by AP or SDS to their advantage there is no axe to grind. EAC's certainly have their place in the rebreather world but it should be recognized that there is a bit of a trade off.

BTW - How are you liking your new frame and I am curious as to why you didn't go with the one Enrique makes?

grandizer52 · 19th December 2006, 09:31

One thing that causes skeptisisim is that i'm converting my dolphin to ccr and i'll have to do injection somewhere else cause the 02 injects through the exhale side of the scrubber.
anyone flooded a cartidge? also when you mention easier to clean? what do you mean by that?
laytah
steve

DivnSapper · 19th December 2006, 12:37

Hi Steve,

The "easier to clean" reference is against the standard Dolphin Scrubber Case, the EAC case doesn't have the springs and the perforated plate that always holds onto some of the sorb and there isn't the bolt running up the center of the EAC cartridge so it is easier to scrub out. Plus both ends of the EAC canister unscrew... basically, much easier to rinse out/wipe down / clean.

I guess the assumption there is... you DO clean your scrubber...

!

Ryan

18th December 2006, 17:21	#11 (permalink)
diverklondike Just one of the Peasants Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,614	Re: the extended air advantage Quote: (Originally Posted by MarkZ) Tests for interesting reading, interesting for who? Even forgetting the fact that the EAC's are significantly more expensive, are not environmentally friendly and not easier to travel with the duration comparison is simply not true. Silent Diving had a side by side comparison done a year or so ago by an independent lab and the EAC's not only did not perform as well they were lacking to the extent that the adapters are no longer available. I personally have nothing against the EAC's as the company is local, they are a nice idea, and they do make changing scrubber easier but I really resent false hype of advantages. Comparing apples to apples EAC's simply are an easier way to change scrubber that one must pay a high price in a couple of ways over the traditional scrubber types. Mark, I am not sure that I would consider SDS an expert on EAC. M
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18th December 2006, 18:02	#12 (permalink)
MarkZ New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: PA USA Posts: 99	Re: the extended air advantage Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike) Mark, I am not sure that I would consider SDS an expert on EAC. M Mark, They are not and the tests were done by an independent lab in NY. This was not a hostile situation, actually quite the opposite as SDS wanted to carry and promote the EAC's as an option but were required for liability reasons to make sure they were suitable as an alturnative. SDS spent in the low 5 figures getting it tested only to find out that they were not equivalent and were very disappointed. I don't think there was a great difference but it was enough to rule out one to one substitution. As this information was never made public or used in any way by AP or SDS to their advantage there is no axe to grind. EAC's certainly have their place in the rebreather world but it should be recognized that there is a bit of a trade off. BTW - How are you liking your new frame and I am curious as to why you didn't go with the one Enrique makes?
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19th December 2006, 09:31	#13 (permalink)
grandizer52 Sport Kiss & Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: pearl city hawaii EARTH moving to Iscandar Posts: 254	Re: the extended air advantage One thing that causes skeptisisim is that i'm converting my dolphin to ccr and i'll have to do injection somewhere else cause the 02 injects through the exhale side of the scrubber. anyone flooded a cartidge? also when you mention easier to clean? what do you mean by that? laytah steve
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19th December 2006, 12:37	#14 (permalink)
DivnSapper New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Qatar Posts: 86	Re: the extended air advantage Hi Steve, The "easier to clean" reference is against the standard Dolphin Scrubber Case, the EAC case doesn't have the springs and the perforated plate that always holds onto some of the sorb and there isn't the bolt running up the center of the EAC cartridge so it is easier to scrub out. Plus both ends of the EAC canister unscrew... basically, much easier to rinse out/wipe down / clean. I guess the assumption there is... you DO clean your scrubber... ! Ryan
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