Recompression Chamber Out of Date

devo · 8th December 2006, 14:29

CONSUMER WARNING: The GSE portable chamber owned by Mad Dog Expeditions ("rental for expeditions") has an expired RINA certification (provided by the manufacturer in Italy) as of May, 2006.

MDE has been informed of this, and this portable chamber should not to be used for treatment until that certification has been reissued.

NUS, Inc.

delidiver · 9th December 2006, 09:55

Question: What exactly is an "RINA" number by the manufacturer? It is not a government thing is it? Will the chamber not work? Is it not safe?
Is it just a BS thing for the manufacturer to get residuals on it's unit?

What is NUS?

I don't understand your post.

Louis

***jradomski*** · 9th December 2006, 10:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by devo)

CONSUMER WARNING: The GSE portable chamber owned by Mad Dog Expeditions ("rental for expeditions") has an expired RINA certification (provided by the manufacturer in Italy) as of May, 2006.

Andrew Driver has been informed of this, and this portable chamber should not to be used for treatment until that certification has been reissued.

NUS, Inc.

Its never been LEGAL to use in the US... The FDA will only approve portable chambers to 4psi, and only for the treatment of acute mountain sickness.

There was another chamber being sold in the US (chamberlite), It had to be pulled otherwise the company would have lost their certification on their approved chambers.. They still might be available for sale outside of the US, but chambers for most uses fall under FDA juristration in the US.

Use of any of these chambers in areas under US juristriction may expose the operator to legal issues..

teksimple · 9th December 2006, 10:21

I take it you guys are the only ones in North America who can do a RINA certification for such a chamber?

Just curious...what certifications are required for recompression chambers?

teksimple · 9th December 2006, 10:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by delidiver)

Question: What exactly is an "RINA" number by the manufacturer? It is not a government thing is it? Will the chamber not work? Is it not safe?
Is it just a BS thing for the manufacturer to get residuals on it's unit?

What is NUS?

I don't understand your post.

Louis

A little google research yields: RINA and NUS.

The first does ship hull-type certifications which apparently include recompression chambers and the latter builds very cool "personal" submarines for clients who would apparently not blink at the cost of a closed circuit rebreather.

***caveseeker7*** · 9th December 2006, 10:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by delidiver)

Question: What exactly is an "RINA" number by the manufacturer?

http://www.rina.org/
The Italian certification organisation for all things marine.
Pretty much means that certification has experied and needs to be renewed.
Since it's Italian and the chamber is in the US I doubt there is a legal requirement.
Kinda like an expired TÜV certification on your German car in the US.
Doesn't matter as long as it meets local standards.

***diverklondike*** · 9th December 2006, 14:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by devo)

CONSUMER WARNING: The GSE portable chamber owned by Mad Dog Expeditions ("rental for expeditions") has an expired RINA certification (provided by the manufacturer in Italy) as of May, 2006.

Andrew Driver has been informed of this, and this portable chamber should not to be used for treatment until that certification has been reissued.

NUS, Inc.

Somebody have an axe to grind with Andrew and Mad Dog??

***jradomski*** · 9th December 2006, 16:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike)

Somebody have an axe to grind with Andrew and Mad Dog??

The post is unclear if the chamber DESIGN needs recertification, or the individual chamber ownded By MDE is out of test and needs to be recertified as safe..

***schford*** · 9th December 2006, 16:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by devo)

CONSUMER WARNING: The GSE portable chamber owned by Mad Dog Expeditions ("rental for expeditions") has an expired RINA certification (provided by the manufacturer in Italy) as of May, 2006.

Andrew Driver has been informed of this, and this portable chamber should not to be used for treatment until that certification has been reissued.

NUS, Inc.

If it was me and was bent I would preferred to be fixed up in an out of test chamber than not fixed up at all

delidiver · 9th December 2006, 17:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

If it was me and was bent I would preferred to be fixed up in an out of test chamber than not fixed up at all

I second that!

I also am wondering about the purpose of why this thread was started. I also think someone is trying to stir-up something with Andrew, and don't think this is the proper place to do it.

Louis

8th December 2006, 14:29	#1 (permalink)
devo New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 53	Recompression Chamber Out of Date CONSUMER WARNING: The GSE portable chamber owned by Mad Dog Expeditions ("rental for expeditions") has an expired RINA certification (provided by the manufacturer in Italy) as of May, 2006. MDE has been informed of this, and this portable chamber should not to be used for treatment until that certification has been reissued. NUS, Inc. Last edited by devo : 9th December 2006 at 22:19.
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9th December 2006, 09:55	#2 (permalink)
delidiver DELIDIVER Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Merion, PA USA Posts: 47	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date Question: What exactly is an "RINA" number by the manufacturer? It is not a government thing is it? Will the chamber not work? Is it not safe? Is it just a BS thing for the manufacturer to get residuals on it's unit? What is NUS? I don't understand your post. Louis __________________ Dive Safe & Dive Often!
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9th December 2006, 10:05	#3 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,796	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date Quote: (Originally Posted by devo) CONSUMER WARNING: The GSE portable chamber owned by Mad Dog Expeditions ("rental for expeditions") has an expired RINA certification (provided by the manufacturer in Italy) as of May, 2006. Andrew Driver has been informed of this, and this portable chamber should not to be used for treatment until that certification has been reissued. NUS, Inc. Its never been LEGAL to use in the US... The FDA will only approve portable chambers to 4psi, and only for the treatment of acute mountain sickness. There was another chamber being sold in the US (chamberlite), It had to be pulled otherwise the company would have lost their certification on their approved chambers.. They still might be available for sale outside of the US, but chambers for most uses fall under FDA juristration in the US. Use of any of these chambers in areas under US juristriction may expose the operator to legal issues.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated. Last edited by jradomski : 9th December 2006 at 13:44.
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teksimple Enlightened Alpinist Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back in Hawaii Posts: 477	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date I take it you guys are the only ones in North America who can do a RINA certification for such a chamber? Just curious...what certifications are required for recompression chambers?
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9th December 2006, 10:29	#5 (permalink)
teksimple Enlightened Alpinist Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back in Hawaii Posts: 477	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date Quote: (Originally Posted by delidiver) Question: What exactly is an "RINA" number by the manufacturer? It is not a government thing is it? Will the chamber not work? Is it not safe? Is it just a BS thing for the manufacturer to get residuals on it's unit? What is NUS? I don't understand your post. Louis A little google research yields: RINA and NUS. The first does ship hull-type certifications which apparently include recompression chambers and the latter builds very cool "personal" submarines for clients who would apparently not blink at the cost of a closed circuit rebreather.
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9th December 2006, 10:37	#6 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,284	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date Quote: (Originally Posted by delidiver) Question: What exactly is an "RINA" number by the manufacturer? http://www.rina.org/ The Italian certification organisation for all things marine. Pretty much means that certification has experied and needs to be renewed. Since it's Italian and the chamber is in the US I doubt there is a legal requirement. Kinda like an expired TÜV certification on your German car in the US. Doesn't matter as long as it meets local standards. __________________ Cheers Stefan Be Water, My Friend - Bruce Lee Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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9th December 2006, 14:49	#7 (permalink)
*diverklondike* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,436	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date Quote: (Originally Posted by devo) CONSUMER WARNING: The GSE portable chamber owned by Mad Dog Expeditions ("rental for expeditions") has an expired RINA certification (provided by the manufacturer in Italy) as of May, 2006. Andrew Driver has been informed of this, and this portable chamber should not to be used for treatment until that certification has been reissued. NUS, Inc. Somebody have an axe to grind with Andrew and Mad Dog??
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*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,796	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike) Somebody have an axe to grind with Andrew and Mad Dog?? The post is unclear if the chamber DESIGN needs recertification, or the individual chamber ownded By MDE is out of test and needs to be recertified as safe.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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9th December 2006, 16:55	#9 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,660	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date Quote: (Originally Posted by devo) CONSUMER WARNING: The GSE portable chamber owned by Mad Dog Expeditions ("rental for expeditions") has an expired RINA certification (provided by the manufacturer in Italy) as of May, 2006. Andrew Driver has been informed of this, and this portable chamber should not to be used for treatment until that certification has been reissued. NUS, Inc. If it was me and was bent I would preferred to be fixed up in an out of test chamber than not fixed up at all __________________ Bailout and Kit Management account for Murphy's Law The only bad question is one you did not ask and later wish you had. Use of Rebreather World is subject to the Rebreather World Terms & Conditions of Use
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9th December 2006, 17:50	#10 (permalink)
delidiver DELIDIVER Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Merion, PA USA Posts: 47	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) If it was me and was bent I would preferred to be fixed up in an out of test chamber than not fixed up at all I second that! I also am wondering about the purpose of why this thread was started. I also think someone is trying to stir-up something with Andrew, and don't think this is the proper place to do it. Louis __________________ Dive Safe & Dive Often!
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