Recompression Chamber Out of Date

***diverklondike*** · 9th December 2006, 19:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by delidiver)

I second that!

I also am wondering about the purpose of why this thread was started. I also think someone is trying to stir-up something with Andrew, and don't think this is the proper place to do it.

Louis

Agreed!

babar · 9th December 2006, 19:44

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

If it was me and was bent I would preferred to be fixed up in an out of test chamber than not fixed up at all

True, but your not going to get much mileage out of one these, if it only goes to 2 psi.

We're seeing a lot these popping up in strip malls, and 'healing' centers. Tyrel Owens has his own (an american football player) (which I believe he uses with air, the fact that he heals so quickly may be despite his treatments)

Anyway, my point is that yes, it's probobly better than nothing, but don't fool yourself into thinking it's a hyperbaric chamber.

abowie · 9th December 2006, 20:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by babar)

True, but your not going to get much mileage out of one these, if it only goes to 2 psi.

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Do you mean 2 bar or is it really only 2psi?

If so you'd do better putting a baloon over your head and inflating it.

***caveseeker7*** · 9th December 2006, 21:05

Don't know how many models GSE makes, but the one described in the link below range from 2 to 6 ata.
International Board of Undersea Medicine

Genesis · 9th December 2006, 21:57

2 ATA is absolutely of value if you have a problem. It provides a means of recompression that doesn't require you be in-water, yet allows for you to survive a tox hit at a PO2 of 2.0.

If my options having just suffered a bends hit are to hop in a chamber that is out of cert and be blown back to 30' with 100% O2, jumping in the water and attempting IWR at 30' on 100% O2, or waiting for an evac to a chamber with a current cert, I'm hopping in the "expired" chamber and telling the guy outside to turn on the gas!

**fireman** · 9th December 2006, 22:15

I am really glad somebody brought that up. Actually I was wondering why deep diving charter boats don't have hyperbaric stretchers of some sort. If you have taken a hit to the point that in water deco is not an option, being repressurized to 100 fsw or so on O2 while waiting for the chopper could stop a lot of damage.
I am not privie to the politics of this thead but I will leave you with this:
I do CPR more than most ER personal I always remember a class were the instructor said What is the worst thing that can happen if you do CPR wrong. And we though and said broken ribs and this and that. He said no--If you are doing CPR the person is biologically dead-- no heart beat, so what ever you do they are still dead you cant make them worse.
so when I am needing deco treatment through me in something pressurized with stale farts and I am probably better off that not.

Actually I was wondering-- if we can make homemade rebreathers it should be relatively easy to make some kind of DIY decompression stretcher/chamber.

devo · 9th December 2006, 22:16

RINA is the Italian organization that initially certified the chamber for use. The certification is valid for 5 years, at which point the chamber is shipped back to the manufacturer (GSE in Italy) and it is disassembled, inspected, reassembled, and recertified.

NUS is the world sales agent for GSE, and in this instance we had originally sold this chamber to a 70m yacht.

It is our responsibilty to follow these chambers on behalf of GSE so that they are 1) properly used and 2) properly certified.

My intent in posting this thread was simply as a "public record" since it came to our attention that the chamber continued to be marketed on MDE's website after it's expired certification.

Apologies for the confusion.

babar · 10th December 2006, 01:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by Genesis)

2 ATA is absolutely of value if you have a problem. It provides a means of recompression that doesn't require you be in-water, yet allows for you to survive a tox hit at a PO2 of 2.0.

If my options having just suffered a bends hit are to hop in a chamber that is out of cert and be blown back to 30' with 100% O2, jumping in the water and attempting IWR at 30' on 100% O2, or waiting for an evac to a chamber with a current cert, I'm hopping in the "expired" chamber and telling the guy outside to turn on the gas!

2 ATA would be of value. These chambers don't go to 2 ATA. They go to 2 or 4 PSI, about 5 or 10 feet, which is probobly of little benefit. These are not hyperbaric chambers they are modified Gamow bags, which are used for acute mountain sickness, NOT decompression sickness

***jradomski*** · 10th December 2006, 02:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by babar)

2 ATA would be of value. These chambers don't go to 2 ATA. They go to 2 or 4 PSI, about 5 or 10 feet, which is probobly of little benefit. These are not hyperbaric chambers they are modified Gamow bags, which are used for acute mountain sickness, NOT decompression sickness

The specific chamber in question is a hyperbaric one.. Its good (when in test) to 6ata..

That being said it still couldnt be legally used in the US..

MarkZ · 10th December 2006, 02:51

CONSUMER WARNING - Give me a break! Count me in on being more then a little suspicious of the original post and the motives behind it. Begin with who deemed NUS an authority to issue such a warning to begin with, and end with the fact that Andy is one of the few pillars in the Northeastern US dive community that I have not heard a truthful bad word said about. I don't think we are getting even half the story on this one.

Mark

9th December 2006, 19:15	#11 (permalink)
*diverklondike* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,563	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date Quote: (Originally Posted by delidiver) I second that! I also am wondering about the purpose of why this thread was started. I also think someone is trying to stir-up something with Andrew, and don't think this is the proper place to do it. Louis Agreed!
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9th December 2006, 19:44	#12 (permalink)
babar Curmudgeon Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Sport Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 421	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) If it was me and was bent I would preferred to be fixed up in an out of test chamber than not fixed up at all True, but your not going to get much mileage out of one these, if it only goes to 2 psi. We're seeing a lot these popping up in strip malls, and 'healing' centers. Tyrel Owens has his own (an american football player) (which I believe he uses with air, the fact that he heals so quickly may be despite his treatments) Anyway, my point is that yes, it's probobly better than nothing, but don't fool yourself into thinking it's a hyperbaric chamber. __________________ Babar Evolution Plus Sport kiss
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9th December 2006, 20:29	#13 (permalink)
abowie Fighting Girl Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Land of Oz Posts: 573	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date Quote: (Originally Posted by babar) True, but your not going to get much mileage out of one these, if it only goes to 2 psi. . Do you mean 2 bar or is it really only 2psi? If so you'd do better putting a baloon over your head and inflating it. __________________ Andrew Bowie Rebreather-friendly Buddy
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9th December 2006, 21:05	#14 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,435	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date Don't know how many models GSE makes, but the one described in the link below range from 2 to 6 ata. International Board of Undersea Medicine __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.'!"
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9th December 2006, 21:57	#15 (permalink)
Genesis Bubbless Box of Death Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 1,394	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date 2 ATA is absolutely of value if you have a problem. It provides a means of recompression that doesn't require you be in-water, yet allows for you to survive a tox hit at a PO2 of 2.0. If my options having just suffered a bends hit are to hop in a chamber that is out of cert and be blown back to 30' with 100% O2, jumping in the water and attempting IWR at 30' on 100% O2, or waiting for an evac to a chamber with a current cert, I'm hopping in the "expired" chamber and telling the guy outside to turn on the gas! __________________ "A venturesome minority will always be eager to get off on their own, and no obstacles should be placed in their path; let them take risks for Godsake, let them get lost, sunburnt, stranded, drowned, eaten by bears, buried alive under avalanches - that is the right and privilege of any free American." http://www.denninger.net http://www.diversunion.org/liability.htm - Fix the Diving Cert racket
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9th December 2006, 22:15	#16 (permalink)
fireman rEvo combat swimmer Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: chicago Posts: 498	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date I am really glad somebody brought that up. Actually I was wondering why deep diving charter boats don't have hyperbaric stretchers of some sort. If you have taken a hit to the point that in water deco is not an option, being repressurized to 100 fsw or so on O2 while waiting for the chopper could stop a lot of damage. I am not privie to the politics of this thead but I will leave you with this: I do CPR more than most ER personal I always remember a class were the instructor said What is the worst thing that can happen if you do CPR wrong. And we though and said broken ribs and this and that. He said no--If you are doing CPR the person is biologically dead-- no heart beat, so what ever you do they are still dead you cant make them worse. so when I am needing deco treatment through me in something pressurized with stale farts and I am probably better off that not. Actually I was wondering-- if we can make homemade rebreathers it should be relatively easy to make some kind of DIY decompression stretcher/chamber.
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9th December 2006, 22:16	#17 (permalink)
devo New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 53	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date RINA is the Italian organization that initially certified the chamber for use. The certification is valid for 5 years, at which point the chamber is shipped back to the manufacturer (GSE in Italy) and it is disassembled, inspected, reassembled, and recertified. NUS is the world sales agent for GSE, and in this instance we had originally sold this chamber to a 70m yacht. It is our responsibilty to follow these chambers on behalf of GSE so that they are 1) properly used and 2) properly certified. My intent in posting this thread was simply as a "public record" since it came to our attention that the chamber continued to be marketed on MDE's website after it's expired certification. Apologies for the confusion.
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10th December 2006, 01:54	#18 (permalink)
babar Curmudgeon Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Sport Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 421	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date Quote: (Originally Posted by Genesis) 2 ATA is absolutely of value if you have a problem. It provides a means of recompression that doesn't require you be in-water, yet allows for you to survive a tox hit at a PO2 of 2.0. If my options having just suffered a bends hit are to hop in a chamber that is out of cert and be blown back to 30' with 100% O2, jumping in the water and attempting IWR at 30' on 100% O2, or waiting for an evac to a chamber with a current cert, I'm hopping in the "expired" chamber and telling the guy outside to turn on the gas! 2 ATA would be of value. These chambers don't go to 2 ATA. They go to 2 or 4 PSI, about 5 or 10 feet, which is probobly of little benefit. These are not hyperbaric chambers they are modified Gamow bags, which are used for acute mountain sickness, NOT decompression sickness __________________ Babar Evolution Plus Sport kiss
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10th December 2006, 02:19	#19 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,899	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date Quote: (Originally Posted by babar) 2 ATA would be of value. These chambers don't go to 2 ATA. They go to 2 or 4 PSI, about 5 or 10 feet, which is probobly of little benefit. These are not hyperbaric chambers they are modified Gamow bags, which are used for acute mountain sickness, NOT decompression sickness The specific chamber in question is a hyperbaric one.. Its good (when in test) to 6ata.. That being said it still couldnt be legally used in the US.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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10th December 2006, 02:51	#20 (permalink)
MarkZ New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: PA USA Posts: 78	Re: Recompression Chamber Out of Date CONSUMER WARNING - Give me a break! Count me in on being more then a little suspicious of the original post and the motives behind it. Begin with who deemed NUS an authority to issue such a warning to begin with, and end with the fact that Andy is one of the few pillars in the Northeastern US dive community that I have not heard a truthful bad word said about. I don't think we are getting even half the story on this one. Mark
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