Inspo with Vision or Meg with Hammerhead

Paul Evans · 26th October 2006, 21:55

Hi all.

Question?

Even though it seems very much a personal choice. Which one would you go for and more importantly Why?

Inspo with Vision Electonics and Vr3?

or

Meg with Hammerhead and Vr3?

Assume nitrox diving, may want to go to Trimix a lot later.
Things to consider, Travel, service, quality, as well as the units themselves.

Any views much appreciated.

6Gill · 26th October 2006, 23:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by Paul Evans)

Hi all.

Question?

Even though it seems very much a personal choice. Which one would you go for and more importantly Why?

Inspo with Vision Electonics and Vr3?

or

Meg with Hammerhead and Vr3?

Assume nitrox diving, may want to go to Trimix a lot later.
Things to consider, Travel, service, quality, as well as the units themselves.

Any views much appreciated.

I would definately vote for the Meg. The difference in construction is substantial. I understand the geographical issues, but I doubt you'll have the return issues with the Meg. Rather than the Hammerhead I would investigate Shearwater, simple, loop integrated, much better battery performance, integrated deco, one price takes you all the way to trimix and the buttons don't fall off.

Deep Thought · 27th October 2006, 01:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by Paul Evans)

Hi all.

Question?

Even though it seems very much a personal choice. Which one would you go for and more importantly Why?

Inspo with Vision Electonics and Vr3?

or

Meg with Hammerhead and Vr3?

Assume nitrox diving, may want to go to Trimix a lot later.
Things to consider, Travel, service, quality, as well as the units themselves.

Any views much appreciated.

I've tried all of these combinations and find that they all work, so it just boils down to personal preference. So said my preference is at end of the following bs

Inspiration -very good well distributed unit and lots of support and parts, I have traveled round the world with them, dive them over 300 ffw in frigid Lake Superior or taken them to Chuuk. If you take care of the yellow box it will take good care of you. I don't have much sympathy for the whining about inspo electronics, most cases I've seen are due to use or misuse.

Vision electronics, they are great from my experience...still getting used to them so I'm not an expert, just a fan. I see issues on Rebreather World and can't say I've owned any piece of complicated dive gear that hasn't had issues?

VR3- I've gone through most of the bugs; buttons, battery caps, etc. sent back forth from UK to US. Still dive them, just don't like the small numbers and I don't think much of the new VPM integration - just put your old unit on 50% conservatism and save the few hundred! Personally I like the size of numbers (bigger screen) and RGBM of Explorer if you can get a unit that is not in perpetual return to service in Florida. GM takes care of the units, and I have had very good luck with the units, but damn the customers that have units that fail trip after trip???

Meg with Hammerhead - well bad combination. I would choose the Meg with the new Shearwater electronics, or just deal with the apex or hope that some day over the rainbow that they will ever upgrade to new apex 3. The hammerhead works, as I’ve experienced on the optima, but not my first choice. Mom told me if I didn't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything....long pause......

Shearwater is some of the most intuitive electronics I've tried.

Get a rebreather and go diving, learn about rebreathers by diving them and then get another and learn more....and don't forget all the fun - rebreathers Rock!

You asked

Deep Thought

**trob09** · 27th October 2006, 01:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought)

Get a rebreather and go diving, learn about rebreathers by diving them and then get another and learn more....and don't forget all the fun - rebreathers Rock!

You asked

Deep Thought

Best advice I've read all day.

**Gill Envy** · 27th October 2006, 02:42

just out of curiosity, and I know ahead of time that even the thought is kind of blasphemous

, but has anyone tried or thought of trying to retrofit the meg with vision electonics...to make a vision-meg?

divetheworld · 27th October 2006, 06:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought)

I don't have much sympathy for the whining about inspo electronics, most cases I've seen are due to use or misuse.

That, is probably one of the most retarded things I've seen on here of recent.

**Steve** · 27th October 2006, 07:05

Option 3. A Meg or COPIS Meg, a set of tables with a bottom timer and a backup VR3

scunick · 27th October 2006, 07:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by Paul Evans)

Hi all.
Even though it seems very much a personal choice. Which one would you go for and more importantly Why?

Inspo with Vision Electonics and Vr3?

or

Meg with Hammerhead and Vr3?

Paul,

I had a similar choice and decided on Inspo with Vision and an Explorer as back-up.

Reasons for my choice:
Almost no Meg divers in South Africa
LDS support for a inspo
Training for Inspo was more easily available
Vision is has 2 controllers vs Hammerhead is a controller and a secondary
I really like the Vision Software (even with the bugs)
The explorer is slightly more aggressive than the Inspo (with the Explorer set to straight Buhlmann and the inspo on Default GF)

Things to consider:
My unit has been back to AP twice already (in 3 months)
1. Dry Solder on the battery compartment
2. Interesting-but not impacting- anonomally with the temp stick display
Of the 5 units purchased together we have now send every unit back at least once for issues. IMHO too many units going out the door - not enough testing being completed on every unit.
The Meg seems to be more robust - not sure about the Hammerhead though
Being in the UK (i.e. near AP) is a real bonus when it comes to getting issues resolved (don't have to rely on couriers and phones)

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Nick

Paul Evans · 27th October 2006, 11:36

Keep it coming, looks like I need to investigate Shearwater electronics.

Steve. flying it manually is noted.
Photography is a bit of a passion, Wanted the electronics for warnigs, its bloody easy to get carried away with a camera and not concentrate enough on the breather. The HUD would be invaluable with this.
And before anybody says anything, I know thats not good enough and I would need to be much more focused, I,am just trying to cover every angle.

**PhilSiswick** · 27th October 2006, 11:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld)

That, is probably one of the most retarded things I've seen on here of recent.

Oh, I don't know, he summed it up quite well. They go wrong because of use or misuse. That's right - some have gone wrong because people used them and some because people misused them.

I very much doubt that an unused Inspiration is going to go wrong all on it's little own ;-)

Cheers,

26th October 2006, 21:55	#1 (permalink)
Paul Evans Freedom is the Key. Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: London Posts: 131	Inspo with Vision or Meg with Hammerhead Hi all. Question? Even though it seems very much a personal choice. Which one would you go for and more importantly Why? Inspo with Vision Electonics and Vr3? or Meg with Hammerhead and Vr3? Assume nitrox diving, may want to go to Trimix a lot later. Things to consider, Travel, service, quality, as well as the units themselves. Any views much appreciated. __________________ "Freedom is what you do with what's been done to you." Jean-Paul Sartre "Any time anyone says, 'there is only one right way to do this' your bullshit meter should be pegged. Its a presumptive statement, made by a person who fears being proved wrong." Bill Gavin.
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26th October 2006, 23:51	#2 (permalink)
6Gill Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 115	Re: Inspo with Vision or Meg with Hammerhead Quote: (Originally Posted by Paul Evans) Hi all. Question? Even though it seems very much a personal choice. Which one would you go for and more importantly Why? Inspo with Vision Electonics and Vr3? or Meg with Hammerhead and Vr3? Assume nitrox diving, may want to go to Trimix a lot later. Things to consider, Travel, service, quality, as well as the units themselves. Any views much appreciated. I would definately vote for the Meg. The difference in construction is substantial. I understand the geographical issues, but I doubt you'll have the return issues with the Meg. Rather than the Hammerhead I would investigate Shearwater, simple, loop integrated, much better battery performance, integrated deco, one price takes you all the way to trimix and the buttons don't fall off. __________________ "It's a shame ignorance isn't painful!"
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27th October 2006, 01:11	#3 (permalink)
Deep Thought Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Great Lakes Posts: 190	Re: Inspo with Vision or Meg with Hammerhead Quote: (Originally Posted by Paul Evans) Hi all. Question? Even though it seems very much a personal choice. Which one would you go for and more importantly Why? Inspo with Vision Electonics and Vr3? or Meg with Hammerhead and Vr3? Assume nitrox diving, may want to go to Trimix a lot later. Things to consider, Travel, service, quality, as well as the units themselves. Any views much appreciated. I've tried all of these combinations and find that they all work, so it just boils down to personal preference. So said my preference is at end of the following bs Inspiration -very good well distributed unit and lots of support and parts, I have traveled round the world with them, dive them over 300 ffw in frigid Lake Superior or taken them to Chuuk. If you take care of the yellow box it will take good care of you. I don't have much sympathy for the whining about inspo electronics, most cases I've seen are due to use or misuse. Vision electronics, they are great from my experience...still getting used to them so I'm not an expert, just a fan. I see issues on Rebreather World and can't say I've owned any piece of complicated dive gear that hasn't had issues? VR3- I've gone through most of the bugs; buttons, battery caps, etc. sent back forth from UK to US. Still dive them, just don't like the small numbers and I don't think much of the new VPM integration - just put your old unit on 50% conservatism and save the few hundred! Personally I like the size of numbers (bigger screen) and RGBM of Explorer if you can get a unit that is not in perpetual return to service in Florida. GM takes care of the units, and I have had very good luck with the units, but damn the customers that have units that fail trip after trip??? Meg with Hammerhead - well bad combination. I would choose the Meg with the new Shearwater electronics, or just deal with the apex or hope that some day over the rainbow that they will ever upgrade to new apex 3. The hammerhead works, as I’ve experienced on the optima, but not my first choice. Mom told me if I didn't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything....long pause...... Shearwater is some of the most intuitive electronics I've tried. Get a rebreather and go diving, learn about rebreathers by diving them and then get another and learn more....and don't forget all the fun - rebreathers Rock! You asked Deep Thought __________________ Creature Of Habits; Mostly Bad www.gudcscuba.com
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27th October 2006, 01:58	#4 (permalink)
trob09 . Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 686	Re: Inspo with Vision or Meg with Hammerhead Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought) Get a rebreather and go diving, learn about rebreathers by diving them and then get another and learn more....and don't forget all the fun - rebreathers Rock! You asked Deep Thought Best advice I've read all day.
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27th October 2006, 02:42	#5 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Diver Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,255	Re: Inspo with Vision or Meg with Hammerhead just out of curiosity, and I know ahead of time that even the thought is kind of blasphemous , but has anyone tried or thought of trying to retrofit the meg with vision electonics...to make a vision-meg? __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
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27th October 2006, 06:53	#6 (permalink)
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27th October 2006, 07:05	#7 (permalink)
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27th October 2006, 07:34	#8 (permalink)
scunick Still Dangerous Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Africa - Cape Town Posts: 71	Re: Inspo with Vision or Meg with Hammerhead Quote: (Originally Posted by Paul Evans) Hi all. Even though it seems very much a personal choice. Which one would you go for and more importantly Why? Inspo with Vision Electonics and Vr3? or Meg with Hammerhead and Vr3? Paul, I had a similar choice and decided on Inspo with Vision and an Explorer as back-up. Reasons for my choice: Almost no Meg divers in South Africa LDS support for a inspo Training for Inspo was more easily available Vision is has 2 controllers vs Hammerhead is a controller and a secondary I really like the Vision Software (even with the bugs) The explorer is slightly more aggressive than the Inspo (with the Explorer set to straight Buhlmann and the inspo on Default GF) Things to consider: My unit has been back to AP twice already (in 3 months) 1. Dry Solder on the battery compartment 2. Interesting-but not impacting- anonomally with the temp stick display Of the 5 units purchased together we have now send every unit back at least once for issues. IMHO too many units going out the door - not enough testing being completed on every unit. The Meg seems to be more robust - not sure about the Hammerhead though Being in the UK (i.e. near AP) is a real bonus when it comes to getting issues resolved (don't have to rely on couriers and phones) Hope this helps. Cheers Nick
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27th October 2006, 11:36	#9 (permalink)
Paul Evans Freedom is the Key. Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: London Posts: 131	Re: Inspo with Vision or Meg with Hammerhead Keep it coming, looks like I need to investigate Shearwater electronics. Steve. flying it manually is noted. Photography is a bit of a passion, Wanted the electronics for warnigs, its bloody easy to get carried away with a camera and not concentrate enough on the breather. The HUD would be invaluable with this. And before anybody says anything, I know thats not good enough and I would need to be much more focused, I,am just trying to cover every angle. __________________ "Freedom is what you do with what's been done to you." Jean-Paul Sartre "Any time anyone says, 'there is only one right way to do this' your bullshit meter should be pegged. Its a presumptive statement, made by a person who fears being proved wrong." Bill Gavin.
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27th October 2006, 11:49	#10 (permalink)
PhilSiswick WSKD 0001 Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 884	Re: Inspo with Vision or Meg with Hammerhead Quote: (Originally Posted by divetheworld) That, is probably one of the most retarded things I've seen on here of recent. Oh, I don't know, he summed it up quite well. They go wrong because of use or misuse. That's right - some have gone wrong because people used them and some because people misused them. I very much doubt that an unused Inspiration is going to go wrong all on it's little own ;-) Cheers, __________________ Phil No comment on open circuit... it's an evolutionary dead end not really worth discussing here. Dave Sutton, 2007 I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 www.hugsac.org.uk
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