DIR and Rebreathers

db8us · 26th October 2006, 03:08

If you mean me:
EKPP: Images & video: Video Source de Vis 08_06 - European Karst Plain Project
is the last dive i would count as dive that i did.
Just downlaod the vid.

Michael

Quote: (Originally Posted by RebreatherDave)

When I am bored, I go over to scubaboard and read in on all the characters endlessly posting mindless inquiries on what is and isn't "DIR". Dumb stuff like what masks are DIR, what fins are DIR, what regulators are "dir" ad nauseum.

It is like the hobby is not so much diving as it is frittering away ungodly quantities of time fussing to no end over equipment types, and half of that is to be done over the Internet. Makes you wonder how much diving they actually do.....

Of course half of that is brought on by themselves for deliberately choosing a condescending term for their brand of equipment zealotry.

These characters seem to make up 99% of they self proclaimed disciples of DIR Jihadism.

They are not to be confused with actual real GUE formally trained types who actually don't remotely care about which brand of fin or what color it is as long as it works.

RebreatherDave · 26th October 2006, 04:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by db8us)

If you mean me:
EKPP: Images & video: Video Source de Vis 08_06 - European Karst Plain Project
is the last dive i would count as dive that i did.
Just downlaod the vid.

Michael

No, it was just a generic observation about most DIR types here in the U.S. definately not directed at anyone on this board. I think the guys here on this board actually dive.

sven · 26th October 2006, 04:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by Hugh)

Sven, what are some of the barriers team members put forward for not wishing to stadardising things?

Regards

Hugh

Hugh,

Of course, the variety of rebreathers is one obstacle. And the fact that many units available on the market also differ in their philosophies behind them, as well as crucial designs. One example: There is not even agreement on the direction of the gas flow.

Also, the more accomplished and experienced divers have "their own way of doing things" - from deco theory, models, algorithms, gas choices, to specific gear configurations. Less experienced divers (myself included) would like to see more standardisation on the basis of "best practise", so we can learn without having to make the same errors others have made before us.

Further: There may actually be some legal implications if you are too prescriptive.

Mixaddict · 26th October 2006, 05:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by db8us)

If you mean me:
EKPP: Images & video: Video Source de Vis 08_06 - European Karst Plain Project
is the last dive i would count as dive that i did.
Just downlaod the vid.

Michael

Michael,

Very cool video. You obviously had tremendous team work. That is quite an accomplishment! I would like to point out however that the music on your video is certainly not DIR. It almost caused me to go into a coma!!!

All joking aside, great job. I found the video very interesting.

Regards,
Randy

dgschott · 26th October 2006, 07:58

Hey Michael -Awesome post with a great explanation and in a manner not seen often from DIR guys... Great job!

Quote: (Originally Posted by db8us)

I can not speak for others, but because i consider myself close to DIR i will step on the soap-box.
First: Everyone can use whatever unit he wants and dive however he wants.
Second: Our group (EKPP) is using RB80 because we standardize equipment and we see this unit as the best for our needs (long deep cave penetrations).
Actually the need for such a unit whas the REASON to build the RB80.During our dives we just do not WANT to check electronic gatchets every minute, we want to focus on the dive, the buddy, etc.

It is always said, that we are AGAINST eCCR, but this is not true.
We just do not allow themn within our groupr during projects.

And by the way, we have a former Buddy-Inspiration Instructor-Trainer within the Team.

So far to the "they have no clue" argument.

So dive your CCR and be happy, we will continue watching the community, check and dive other units and we will switch to something better if it comes our way.
Our goal is to use the simplest tools that gets the job done in the way we want it.
And of course we do not dive solo

Michael

Nad · 26th October 2006, 08:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by db8us)

If you mean me:
EKPP: Images & video: Video Source de Vis 08_06 - European Karst Plain Project
is the last dive i would count as dive that i did.
Just downlaod the vid.

Michael

The video is ok, the dive great but the cave fantastic!
Well done, like always.
Good the part on the waste (PET bottles) it should be the first step of standardisation: left the place clean like or better than before!!!

Best,

Nad

cedricverdier · 26th October 2006, 13:17

Hi all,

What about this: http://www.dirrebreather.com

Cheers

6Gill · 26th October 2006, 13:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by cedricverdier)

Hi all,

What about this: http://www.dirrebreather.com

Cheers

Excellent Cedric, and now for page two.....

gtzavelas · 27th October 2006, 19:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by db8us)

If you mean me:
EKPP: Images & video: Video Source de Vis 08_06 - European Karst Plain Project
is the last dive i would count as dive that i did.
Just downlaod the vid.

Michael

very nice video and VERY VERY NICE visibility (drooling)
one question - regarding the shots from the packing of the scrubber:
do you use O-rings on in the scrubber cannister to avoid chanelling?

db8us · 28th October 2006, 11:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by gtzavelas)

very nice video and VERY VERY NICE visibility (drooling)
one question - regarding the shots from the packing of the scrubber:
do you use O-rings on in the scrubber cannister to avoid chanelling?

The -Orings are just to prevent water to get in. The whole scrubebrstack is springloaded to prevent movement of the lime and so channeling is rare.
That is one of the reasons, why we NEVER drive long distance with already fileld scrubber. The shaking might allow the lime to settle so much, that the springloading does not work.

@Cedric:
Is there a hidden button to continue on the page ? Looks interesting

Michael

26th October 2006, 03:08	#21 (permalink)
db8us Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 225	Re: DIR and Rebreathers If you mean me: EKPP: Images & video: Video Source de Vis 08_06 - European Karst Plain Project is the last dive i would count as dive that i did. Just downlaod the vid. Michael Quote: (Originally Posted by RebreatherDave) When I am bored, I go over to scubaboard and read in on all the characters endlessly posting mindless inquiries on what is and isn't "DIR". Dumb stuff like what masks are DIR, what fins are DIR, what regulators are "dir" ad nauseum. It is like the hobby is not so much diving as it is frittering away ungodly quantities of time fussing to no end over equipment types, and half of that is to be done over the Internet. Makes you wonder how much diving they actually do..... Of course half of that is brought on by themselves for deliberately choosing a condescending term for their brand of equipment zealotry. These characters seem to make up 99% of they self proclaimed disciples of DIR Jihadism. They are not to be confused with actual real GUE formally trained types who actually don't remotely care about which brand of fin or what color it is as long as it works.
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26th October 2006, 04:13	#22 (permalink)
RebreatherDave Maximum **** Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s:** Join Date: May 2005 Location: L.A., where the debris meets the sea Posts: 227	Re: DIR and Rebreathers Quote: (Originally Posted by db8us) If you mean me: EKPP: Images & video: Video Source de Vis 08_06 - European Karst Plain Project is the last dive i would count as dive that i did. Just downlaod the vid. Michael No, it was just a generic observation about most DIR types here in the U.S. definately not directed at anyone on this board. I think the guys here on this board actually dive.
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26th October 2006, 04:41	#23 (permalink)
sven Blogs Admin / Forum Mod Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 574	Re: DIR and Rebreathers Quote: (Originally Posted by Hugh) Sven, what are some of the barriers team members put forward for not wishing to stadardising things? Regards Hugh Hugh, Of course, the variety of rebreathers is one obstacle. And the fact that many units available on the market also differ in their philosophies behind them, as well as crucial designs. One example: There is not even agreement on the direction of the gas flow. Also, the more accomplished and experienced divers have "their own way of doing things" - from deco theory, models, algorithms, gas choices, to specific gear configurations. Less experienced divers (myself included) would like to see more standardisation on the basis of "best practise", so we can learn without having to make the same errors others have made before us. Further: There may actually be some legal implications if you are too prescriptive. __________________ Regards, Sven [SIZE=1]The Sydney Project website: [URL]http://www.sydneyproject.com[/URL] My Blog: [URL]http://sven.rebreatherworld.com[/URL] "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain[/SIZE]
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26th October 2006, 05:39	#24 (permalink)
Mixaddict Always Learning! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Other CCR Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Draper, Utah USA Posts: 454	Re: DIR and Rebreathers Quote: (Originally Posted by db8us) If you mean me: EKPP: Images & video: Video Source de Vis 08_06 - European Karst Plain Project is the last dive i would count as dive that i did. Just downlaod the vid. Michael Michael, Very cool video. You obviously had tremendous team work. That is quite an accomplishment! I would like to point out however that the music on your video is certainly not DIR. It almost caused me to go into a coma!!! All joking aside, great job. I found the video very interesting. Regards, Randy __________________ Randy Thornton (MixAddict) Inspiration, Evolution,Hammerhead & Sentinel CCR Instructor
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26th October 2006, 07:58	#25 (permalink)
dgschott Liquid Productions, LLC Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aston, PA Posts: 115	Re: DIR and Rebreathers Hey Michael -Awesome post with a great explanation and in a manner not seen often from DIR guys... Great job! Quote: (Originally Posted by db8us) I can not speak for others, but because i consider myself close to DIR i will step on the soap-box. First: Everyone can use whatever unit he wants and dive however he wants. Second: Our group (EKPP) is using RB80 because we standardize equipment and we see this unit as the best for our needs (long deep cave penetrations). Actually the need for such a unit whas the REASON to build the RB80.During our dives we just do not WANT to check electronic gatchets every minute, we want to focus on the dive, the buddy, etc. It is always said, that we are AGAINST eCCR, but this is not true. We just do not allow themn within our groupr during projects. And by the way, we have a former Buddy-Inspiration Instructor-Trainer within the Team. So far to the "they have no clue" argument. So dive your CCR and be happy, we will continue watching the community, check and dive other units and we will switch to something better if it comes our way. Our goal is to use the simplest tools that gets the job done in the way we want it. And of course we do not dive solo Michael __________________ David Schott Liquid Productions, LLC
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26th October 2006, 08:28	#26 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 960	Re: DIR and Rebreathers Quote: (Originally Posted by db8us) If you mean me: EKPP: Images & video: Video Source de Vis 08_06 - European Karst Plain Project is the last dive i would count as dive that i did. Just downlaod the vid. Michael The video is ok, the dive great but the cave fantastic! Well done, like always. Good the part on the waste (PET bottles) it should be the first step of standardisation: left the place clean like or better than before!!! Best, Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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26th October 2006, 13:17	#27 (permalink)
cedricverdier S21 M.I.B. Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Worldwide! Posts: 494	Re: DIR and Rebreathers Hi all, What about this: http://www.dirrebreather.com Cheers __________________ Cedric Verdier PADI Course Director, ANDI-IANTD-PSAI-TDI-DSAT-DAN-NAUI-CMAS Instructor Trainer Trimix (CCR and OC) and Cave Diving Instructor Trainer www.CedricVerdier.com DIRrebreather member
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26th October 2006, 13:28	#28 (permalink)
6Gill Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 116	Re: DIR and Rebreathers Quote: (Originally Posted by cedricverdier) Hi all, What about this: http://www.dirrebreather.com Cheers Excellent Cedric, and now for page two..... __________________ "It's a shame ignorance isn't painful!"
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27th October 2006, 19:14	#29 (permalink)
gtzavelas Rebreather World Writer Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon RB80 / Clone Other Rebreather/s: RB80 / Clone Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Athens,Greece Posts: 247	Re: DIR and Rebreathers Quote: (Originally Posted by db8us) If you mean me: EKPP: Images & video: Video Source de Vis 08_06 - European Karst Plain Project is the last dive i would count as dive that i did. Just downlaod the vid. Michael very nice video and VERY VERY NICE visibility (drooling) one question - regarding the shots from the packing of the scrubber: do you use O-rings on in the scrubber cannister to avoid chanelling?
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28th October 2006, 11:08	#30 (permalink)
db8us Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 225	Re: DIR and Rebreathers Quote: (Originally Posted by gtzavelas) very nice video and VERY VERY NICE visibility (drooling) one question - regarding the shots from the packing of the scrubber: do you use O-rings on in the scrubber cannister to avoid chanelling? The -Orings are just to prevent water to get in. The whole scrubebrstack is springloaded to prevent movement of the lime and so channeling is rare. That is one of the reasons, why we NEVER drive long distance with already fileld scrubber. The shaking might allow the lime to settle so much, that the springloading does not work. @Cedric: Is there a hidden button to continue on the page ? Looks interesting Michael
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