DIR and Rebreathers

pabusk

I guess that's it, isn't it. Getting the right tool for the job you are doing and most off all be very comfortable with it. Even if you don't have the best tool but when it's adequate AND your comfortable with it this should be the tool to use for you.

Is ECCR better than M-CCR, p-SCR .... my opinion is that it depends on what you want to do with it. You can however discuss verstility of rebreathers and what make/type can be used in most of the situations you encounter.

Not DIR just comon sense I think ...

Cheers,
Paul

sven

Ideas to standardise equipment, gases, procedures amongst Rebreather divers within certain projects/groups pop up again and again. Some, like the Sydney Project [shameless_plug] Welcome to the Sydney Project Dive Team Website [/shameless_plug] and others, have gone down that path to some small extent. But to the best of my knowledge, we are all far from getting anywhere near the WKPP/EKPP and similar GUE type groups. That may change over time: With more demanding projects, the logistics are getting more and more complex and warrant tighter rules. We'll see. How far do you want to go??? I don't know yet. In fact, I haven't had much luck in my last attempt to standardise gases and deco planning within our group. So far, we have managed some rather demanding projects (leading to the discovery of 5 wrecks in 80-135msw within 3 years) within the frameworks we have (check out our website).

Dr Mike had initiated some discussion on this board recently around introducing DIR/GUE concepts into Rebreather diving.

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Hugh

DIR divers like to reduce single points of failure. - Im not DIR but I like to reduce all possibilities of failure, if something breaks, it generally ends my dive or holiday and costs more to replace. Basic maintenace is cheap.

John why do you refuse to reduce single points of failure? (Whatever this actually means)

The dive boat is a single point of failure, does this mean that all DIR dives will be shore dives? - Long time since the boats I dive from have failed, I think you need to do some basic maintenace or find a new charter boat operator. What is the single point of failure on the dive boats you are using?

DIR divers don't like to rely on electronics. Who told you that? The RB80 doesnt have/need electronics so its a mute point.

So you only rely on your electronics? Did you learn how to fly your unit manually if your electronics fail?

How do you check/test your mix prior to diving? With an Analyser

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Hugh

Hugh

Sven, what are some of the barriers team members put forward for not wishing to stadardising things?

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Hugh

Nad

The fact that there are many (actually too many) agencies, with differents configurations, idea, etc.
It is stupid because finally we are in the same ambient (water).

The different experiences from many divers it's already a little barrier because, with the experience, everyone finally can find (or should) his own way.
We always have to be open to changes but without impose them and, absolutly, know what are you talking about.

Best,
Nad

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6Gill

What did happen to that discussion? Seems there was a lot of talk about who would moderate etc. but nothing ever came of the original objective.

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Nad

I do the same but with an eCCR, I can dive it:

Automatic
Manually
SCR
and finally, worst case scenario, Bailout
Never had my ass more covered than that!

Boats are MANY points of failure together! Believe me.

This SHOULD be covered during the class but it is important to train it then.
I think the main problem is that many divers don't use to train on what they learn during the class like to bailout, SCR, drive the rig manually, etc.

Best,
Nad

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Barrie Law

Hi Jerry,

I think this is the thread you mention.

http://www.rebreatherworld.com/techn...highlight=mike

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RebreatherDave

When I am bored, I go over to scubaboard and read in on all the characters endlessly posting mindless inquiries on what is and isn't "DIR". Dumb stuff like what masks are DIR, what fins are DIR, what regulators are "dir" ad nauseum.

It is like the hobby is not so much diving as it is frittering away ungodly quantities of time fussing to no end over equipment types, and half of that is to be done over the Internet. Makes you wonder how much diving they actually do.....

Of course half of that is brought on by themselves for deliberately choosing a condescending term for their brand of equipment zealotry.

These characters seem to make up 99% of they self proclaimed disciples of DIR Jihadism.

They are not to be confused with actual real GUE formally trained types who actually don't remotely care about which brand of fin or what color it is as long as it works.

6Gill

That is the tread, it sort of fizzeled without a conclusion.

Jerry

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