Diving agency Certs

Scuttle

As a charter operator I have to check to cover my arse.
It is getting bigger than Ben Huir ,see
I come across a broad range of tickets issued that don't have a depth rating printed on them, that the said diver has been trained to dive to.
When I go to the different agency sites to find the info, it is not listed.
Some agencies keep the shifting goalposts due to liability issues increasing.
With so many informed expericenced instructors teaching onboard this site I wonder if you could supply the Agency & the levels taught or point me in the right direction to find it. In the meantime,
I will start a list with examples & please feel free to add extra agencies.
DEPTHS in Metres please.
AGENCY, MOD1, MOD2, MOD3, or NITROX, NORMOXIC, TRIMIX
SSI -------m. -----m. -----m. ------m.------- m.------ m.
IART
IANTD
TDI
PSA
BSAC

O.C.Diver

When in doubt, check their log books. If the card says "qualified to 200') and their log book shows no Rebreather dives past 100', are you still going to take them to 200'?

Ted

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divetheworld

It's not that simple. Some agencies limit depth by partial pressure of gases.
Then you have the situation where there is no course available for the unit.
Log book is the only way in most cases, but then how often do we take a logbook to a UK skipper unless he asks before we set off?

Most Rebreather divers dont go shooting off into depth that their not capable of unless they are suicidal. Hav'nt heard of any suicide by 'breather cases. Yes there are a few burger flippers out there, but is their dive plan your responsibility? (rhetorical)
Use due dilligence but dont try to be scuba police.
I don't know how it works over there, but in the UK charter operators are not responsible in any way for divers activities in the water.

Is there some special circumstance that has made you want to do this?

Brent

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iani

I don't carry one, in any case how can you be sure that the entries are factual?

Ian

sensor330

Who keeps a log? I don't. Usually when I show up for a tech dive charter I don't show my card. I think most skipper's can figure out who's, who in the zoo very quickly.

Scott

mverick

What's a log book?

MarkZ

SSI does not offer rebreather courses so no MOD 1,2,3. (at least in the USA) Nitrox is 130' and they are releasing their tech level course offerings at DEMA in a couple of weeks so there is not much available yet.

Andy Del

Snipping your post can certainly start some scuttlebutt around here!

FWIW, you'll get some TDI deco procedures cards with 50m depth certifications on them, due to many of the Sydney wrecks being around the 48m mark.

For CCR cards my little collection reads...

TDI - MOD 1 (or air diluent) max depth 40m, max deco time 5min @ 6m.
SSI - Trimix - no further elaboration
IART - level III (trimix) - no further elaboration

I suspect you'd need to take a more holistic approach than is done way up north (have specific card or no dive). Having someone with a card based on PP of various gasses is going to make for a sliding rule of thumb. Besides a card, I could imagine wishing to check that the diver has:

• has a proper dive plan which in theory will work
• has a justifyable bailout plan
• has completed an appropriate checklist for assembly
• has done predive checks
• has paid in advance

Personally, I would have no qualms being asked these questions, especially if it was the first time on a particular boat. It may even reassure me the operator knows what they are on about!

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O.C.Diver

For me it's not a problem. You don't get to sign up for a 100' dive off my boat with out somebody I respect vouching for your character and diving skills. Sharks attacks are an non issue; lawyers are a fact of life and business over here!

Speaking of which, I have got to get up early and run a trip. Good night.

Ted

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Steve

Hi Jeff,

It is confusing and will get more so I fear.

Why not set your own rules for your boat? There is a fair amout of overlap between the agencies so I would just pick 3 points, plonk it on your booking sheet (or whever suits) and make us stick by your rules. Something like;

Air dil diver = Max depth 40m and suitable bailout. Trained on the unit they are diving to this level.

Normoxic dil diver = Max depth of 60m, fO2 of dil greater than 21% and a bottom end of less than 40m. Suitable bailout. Trained on the unit they are diving to this level and have done at least 5 40m dives in the past 3 months.

Advanced Trimix = Max depth of whatever you are happy taking people to which isn't past 100m in your area IIRC. Max END 40m and suitable bailout. Trained on the unit they are diving to this level. Done at least 5 60m dives in the past 6 months and you have verified as competant.

These are just examples and I didn't give the numbers any real thought but I'm sure you can see what I'm getting at. I don't think the agency needs to be in the mix at all and I would like to see more operators set rules like this.

I hope this helps.

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