Diving agency Certs

Scuttle · 25th October 2006, 10:27

G'day JD,
I guess if the instructor is happy to sign off , then that student has reach the standard for the course. I have no problem with that but if the student then came to me wanting to dive, I would be asking for a check out on shallower dives first, until I feel conifident I can let the reins go.
A log book stating the amount of dives & depths in the desired range will count in an early release, maybe.

TDI are another agency with the printed depths on cards.

I look forward to hearing your choice of poison & the breather course.
Way to go

PeteS · 26th October 2006, 03:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by Scuttle)

G'day JD,
I guess if the instructor is happy to sign off , then that student has reach the standard for the course. I have no problem with that but if the student then came to me wanting to dive, I would be asking for a check out on shallower dives first, until I feel conifident I can let the reins go.
A log book stating the amount of dives & depths in the desired range will count in an early release, maybe.

I can see a problem with this approach. You are putting yourself into the position of "Certifying agency", saying who is up to standard and who is not. If you don't let someone dive, you're in the clear, but if you do let someone dive, and they have an accident, and it can be shown that you approved them to dive, does this put you in the sh1t?

I do however fully understand and approve of your desire to keep muppets out of the water and preferably off your boat!

Scuttle · 26th October 2006, 05:25

G'day PeteS,
Yes I am responsible for anyone as soon as they come onboard & can be held accountable if found to be negligent.
If I stay within their certs/training standards then that burden eases.
All of the wreck dives are square profile ranging from 35- 82m depth range, & there are 38 wrecks are in the graveyard.
If the diver is qualified to say 45m then I can say I have 14 wrecks in that range & suggest a good one to start with. Most are happy with that & then I can book them on.
The whole booking process cuts a lot of chaf from the hay, so you find, all are of the same level or higher qualified for that particular dive.

Don't get me wrong on the muppet issue; I enjoyed going back to the basics. I just return from a 3 month stint in the Solomon's where there is no holds barred & can relate very well with Ron Micjan's tale except mine was warm tropical water. 30c, ah

Bear · 26th October 2006, 10:35

Quote: (Originally Posted by Scuttle)

Not a breather accident but OHS made a recent example of a Melbourne operator for not crossing the T & dotting the I. $250k fine poorer, he closed up shop & boat.

Hi Jeff,
I heard that particular incident wasn't the only factor involved in Brian making that decision...

It wasn't a good year all round especially considering the other guy who died at the pier (different shop/instructor involved) and there was definately no boat was involved with that one.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Scuttle)

I like to run a “tight ship” and continue to do so.

Damn, looks like my diving will be even more limited this summer!!

Cheers

Scuttle · 26th October 2006, 11:35

Bear,
I wasn't aware & its always sad to hear about another's loss, all round.
It is something I dread.

Don't worry about the tight ship,mate. I have got a great plan of action for you. A refresher course on Vic Towers in 3m seas & surge that remind you of Luna Park.
I'll have you ship shape & feeling right at home in no time.

Mike Rowley · 26th October 2006, 11:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by Scuttle)

As a charter operator I have to check to cover my arse.
It is getting bigger than Ben Huir ,see

I come across a broad range of tickets issued that don't have a depth rating printed on them, that the said diver has been trained to dive to.
When I go to the different agency sites to find the info, it is not listed.

Some agencies keep the shifting goalposts due to liability issues increasing.
With so many informed expericenced instructors teaching onboard this site I wonder if you could supply the Agency & the levels taught or point me in the right direction to find it. In the meantime,
I will start a list with examples & please feel free to add extra agencies.
DEPTHS in Metres please.
AGENCY, MOD1, MOD2, MOD3, or NITROX, NORMOXIC, TRIMIX
SSI -------m. -----m. -----m. ------m.------- m.------ m.
IART
IANTD
TDI
PSA
BSAC

BSAC.
Sports Diver - 35m
Dive Leader or above - 50m
Adv. Nitrox - 35m if Sports Diver / 50m if Dive Leader or above
ERD - 50m
SCR (Draeger Dolphin) - 40m
CCR (Inspiration/Evolution) Air diluent - 40m
CCR & OC Sports mixed Gas - 50m or 60m depending on certification. Depth shown on cert card.
CCR & OC Advance Mixed Gas - 80m

Cheers

Mike

Scuttle · 26th October 2006, 12:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mike Rowley)

BSAC.
Sports Diver - 35m
Dive Leader or above - 50m
Adv. Nitrox - 35m if Sports Diver / 50m if Dive Leader or above
ERD - 50m
SCR (Draeger Dolphin) - 40m
CCR (Inspiration/Evolution) Air diluent - 40m
CCR & OC Sports mixed Gas - 50m or 60m depending on certification. Depth shown on cert card.
CCR & OC Advance Mixed Gas - 80m

Cheers

Mike

Many thanks Mike,
Just the type of information I seek. I have filed it for future reference. You can have a blob of green on me, unless of course someone else refutes it.

Are depths shown on all the cards or just CCR & OC Sports mixed Gas?

dave-diving · 3rd May 2007, 01:14

Current PSA International Training Depths

Maximum printed depths for each qualification on a card
Nitrox – 40 metres
SCR – 40 metres
CCR Air Dil – 40m where no deco skills have been taught or previously gained
Advanced Nitrox - 45 metres
CCR Air Dil – 45m where deco skills are taught or previously gained.
ERD Nitrox – 55m
O/C or CCR Mix Module 1 – 60 metres
O/C or CCR Mix Module 2 – 75 metres
O/C or CCR Mix Module 3 – 100 metres

All students dive with the Instructor to within 3 metres of these depths to gain this level in full. Details printed on their card, and all cards do state the course depth achieved.

Some students will have shallower depths for a given level where they do not desire to achieve the full depth or training site constraints do not allow. Their cards will reflect that with a depth restriction.

Regards'
Dave

db8us · 3rd May 2007, 02:14

Hmmm, i have no breather-cert at all.
And still so far everyone took me out on his boat.

Scuttle · 3rd May 2007, 02:41

Great info Dave. I have saved a copy for future reference in case a PSA card ever pops up down here.

Many Thanks

25th October 2006, 10:27	#31 (permalink)
Scuttle 1 Grumpy ole skipper Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jan Juc, Vic, Australia Posts: 239	Re: Diving agency Certs G'day JD, I guess if the instructor is happy to sign off , then that student has reach the standard for the course. I have no problem with that but if the student then came to me wanting to dive, I would be asking for a check out on shallower dives first, until I feel conifident I can let the reins go. A log book stating the amount of dives & depths in the desired range will count in an early release, maybe. TDI are another agency with the printed depths on cards. I look forward to hearing your choice of poison & the breather course. Way to go
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26th October 2006, 03:38	#32 (permalink)
PeteS Consent Issued! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 513	Re: Diving agency Certs Quote: (Originally Posted by Scuttle) G'day JD, I guess if the instructor is happy to sign off , then that student has reach the standard for the course. I have no problem with that but if the student then came to me wanting to dive, I would be asking for a check out on shallower dives first, until I feel conifident I can let the reins go. A log book stating the amount of dives & depths in the desired range will count in an early release, maybe. I can see a problem with this approach. You are putting yourself into the position of "Certifying agency", saying who is up to standard and who is not. If you don't let someone dive, you're in the clear, but if you do let someone dive, and they have an accident, and it can be shown that you approved them to dive, does this put you in the sh1t? I do however fully understand and approve of your desire to keep muppets out of the water and preferably off your boat! __________________ Pete S. http://www.steggle.co.nz Every silver lining has a cloud
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26th October 2006, 05:25	#33 (permalink)
Scuttle 1 Grumpy ole skipper Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jan Juc, Vic, Australia Posts: 239	Re: Diving agency Certs G'day PeteS, Yes I am responsible for anyone as soon as they come onboard & can be held accountable if found to be negligent. If I stay within their certs/training standards then that burden eases. All of the wreck dives are square profile ranging from 35- 82m depth range, & there are 38 wrecks are in the graveyard. If the diver is qualified to say 45m then I can say I have 14 wrecks in that range & suggest a good one to start with. Most are happy with that & then I can book them on. The whole booking process cuts a lot of chaf from the hay, so you find, all are of the same level or higher qualified for that particular dive. Don't get me wrong on the muppet issue; I enjoyed going back to the basics. I just return from a 3 month stint in the Solomon's where there is no holds barred & can relate very well with Ron Micjan's tale except mine was warm tropical water. 30c, ah Last edited by Scuttle : 26th October 2006 at 05:32. Reason: Spel-ling
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26th October 2006, 10:35	#34 (permalink)
Bear Smelling Dairy Air Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Not Bought Yet Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 101	Re: Diving agency Certs Quote: (Originally Posted by Scuttle) Not a breather accident but OHS made a recent example of a Melbourne operator for not crossing the T & dotting the I. $250k fine poorer, he closed up shop & boat. Hi Jeff, I heard that particular incident wasn't the only factor involved in Brian making that decision... It wasn't a good year all round especially considering the other guy who died at the pier (different shop/instructor involved) and there was definately no boat was involved with that one. Quote: (Originally Posted by Scuttle) I like to run a “tight ship” and continue to do so. Damn, looks like my diving will be even more limited this summer!! Cheers __________________ http://www.victech.org VICTECH.ORG: A web resource for Technical Divers in Victoria
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26th October 2006, 11:35	#35 (permalink)
Scuttle 1 Grumpy ole skipper Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jan Juc, Vic, Australia Posts: 239	Re: Diving agency Certs Bear, I wasn't aware & its always sad to hear about another's loss, all round. It is something I dread. Don't worry about the tight ship,mate. I have got a great plan of action for you. A refresher course on Vic Towers in 3m seas & surge that remind you of Luna Park. I'll have you ship shape & feeling right at home in no time.
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26th October 2006, 11:41	#36 (permalink)
Mike Rowley New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: South Devon UK Posts: 11	Re: Diving agency Certs Quote: (Originally Posted by Scuttle) As a charter operator I have to check to cover my arse. It is getting bigger than Ben Huir ,see I come across a broad range of tickets issued that don't have a depth rating printed on them, that the said diver has been trained to dive to. When I go to the different agency sites to find the info, it is not listed. Some agencies keep the shifting goalposts due to liability issues increasing. With so many informed expericenced instructors teaching onboard this site I wonder if you could supply the Agency & the levels taught or point me in the right direction to find it. In the meantime, I will start a list with examples & please feel free to add extra agencies. DEPTHS in Metres please. AGENCY, MOD1, MOD2, MOD3, or NITROX, NORMOXIC, TRIMIX SSI -------m. -----m. -----m. ------m.------- m.------ m. IART IANTD TDI PSA BSAC BSAC. Sports Diver - 35m Dive Leader or above - 50m Adv. Nitrox - 35m if Sports Diver / 50m if Dive Leader or above ERD - 50m SCR (Draeger Dolphin) - 40m CCR (Inspiration/Evolution) Air diluent - 40m CCR & OC Sports mixed Gas - 50m or 60m depending on certification. Depth shown on cert card. CCR & OC Advance Mixed Gas - 80m Cheers Mike
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26th October 2006, 12:13	#37 (permalink)
Scuttle 1 Grumpy ole skipper Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jan Juc, Vic, Australia Posts: 239	Re: Diving agency Certs Quote: (Originally Posted by Mike Rowley) BSAC. Sports Diver - 35m Dive Leader or above - 50m Adv. Nitrox - 35m if Sports Diver / 50m if Dive Leader or above ERD - 50m SCR (Draeger Dolphin) - 40m CCR (Inspiration/Evolution) Air diluent - 40m CCR & OC Sports mixed Gas - 50m or 60m depending on certification. Depth shown on cert card. CCR & OC Advance Mixed Gas - 80m Cheers Mike Many thanks Mike, Just the type of information I seek. I have filed it for future reference. You can have a blob of green on me, unless of course someone else refutes it. Are depths shown on all the cards or just CCR & OC Sports mixed Gas?
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3rd May 2007, 01:14	#38 (permalink)
dave-diving Human Fuktup Engineering Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Optima Other CCR Dolphin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Britain....Cornwall Posts: 20	Re: Diving agency Certs Current PSA International Training Depths Maximum printed depths for each qualification on a card Nitrox – 40 metres SCR – 40 metres CCR Air Dil – 40m where no deco skills have been taught or previously gained Advanced Nitrox - 45 metres CCR Air Dil – 45m where deco skills are taught or previously gained. ERD Nitrox – 55m O/C or CCR Mix Module 1 – 60 metres O/C or CCR Mix Module 2 – 75 metres O/C or CCR Mix Module 3 – 100 metres All students dive with the Instructor to within 3 metres of these depths to gain this level in full. Details printed on their card, and all cards do state the course depth achieved. Some students will have shallower depths for a given level where they do not desire to achieve the full depth or training site constraints do not allow. Their cards will reflect that with a depth restriction. Regards' Dave __________________ "Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience."
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3rd May 2007, 02:14	#39 (permalink)
db8us Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 225	Re: Diving agency Certs Hmmm, i have no breather-cert at all. And still so far everyone took me out on his boat.
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Scuttle 1 Grumpy ole skipper Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jan Juc, Vic, Australia Posts: 239	Re: Diving agency Certs Great info Dave. I have saved a copy for future reference in case a PSA card ever pops up down here. Many Thanks __________________ sold CK182 now its CK243
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