Complacency m'a tuer

Marc T · 11th October 2006, 01:58

Sorry, only frenchies can understand the joke in the tittle but I cant resist

The récent threadS about complacency make me think a little.
Whats more dangerous?
Seeing you have been complacent and trying not to be again?
Saying again and again dont be complacent,till perhaps you become complacent yourself?
Arent the bests instructors in all sports or job complacent from time to time for themselves, OF COURSE THEY ARE like all human are, so the problem is to deal with human capacity and problem without dreaming becoming perfect or stopping making errors!
Complacency is a simple "sticker-word" on a complex phenomenom and this simple word is now an obstacle for understanding why you do some mistake.
Just a small example about check list: whats the most securel? you read your check list, you read it out loud, somehone read it and you check.
Its evident that Rebreather diving is dangerous and the great danger is you with your non waterproof brain playing with a silent gun underwater.
Complacency kill yah thats the final joke because its now so well known and helpfull than saying cancer can kill you.
Anyway dive safe, and dont have cancer.
Cheers
Marc

***ScubaDadMiami*** · 11th October 2006, 04:07

Perhaps more than one person, working together as a team, double checking for each other? If one person gets lazy about something, the other is there to maintain discipline, and then all one can do is hope that both do not have a complacency moment at the same time.

Honestly, I will admit to diving solo enough that I am not going to preach to others about whether to do it or not. I would love to be in a team more often. However, since going CCR, the reality is that I am back to a lot more solo diving.

Hey, do as I say, not as I do!

Mdemon · 11th October 2006, 04:13

Discipline.

Always do the basic stuff well. Always do it the same way.

Anything out of the ordinary becomes obvious.

The best description of an Inspo I've heard was "that little yellow pygmy on your back holding a shotgun to your head".

Quote: (Originally Posted by Marc T)

Sorry, only frenchies can understand the joke in the tittle but I cant resist

The récent threadS about complacency make me think a little.
Whats more dangerous?
Seeing you have been complacent and trying not to be again?
Saying again and again dont be complacent,till perhaps you become complacent yourself?
Arent the bests instructors in all sports or job complacent from time to time for themselves, OF COURSE THEY ARE like all human are, so the problem is to deal with human capacity and problem without dreaming becoming perfect or stopping making errors!
Complacency is a simple "sticker-word" on a complex phenomenom and this simple word is now an obstacle for understanding why you do some mistake.
Just a small example about check list: whats the most securel? you read your check list, you read it out loud, somehone read it and you check.
Its evident that Rebreather diving is dangerous and the great danger is you with your non waterproof brain playing with a silent gun underwater.
Complacency kill yah thats the final joke because its now so well known and helpfull than saying cancer can kill you.
Anyway dive safe, and dont have cancer.
Cheers
Marc

decoweenie · 11th October 2006, 07:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami)

...since going CCR, the reality is that I am back to a lot more solo diving...

I am sorry but, IMHO, that is a very poor excuse...

I keep hearing people making excuses of why they dive solo on Rebreather, and most of the time, the reason used is because lack of CCR divers as buddies.

I have been diving Rebreather only since 1998'ish, and majority of the time with OC buddies (due to lack of RB buddies). IMHO, there is no practical difference between diving with RB or OC buddies providing the buddies are well informed about the unit.

As most of my dives are of technical-nature (i.e. trimix) and I carry adequate bail-out so it makes no difference who I dive with.

dive2dive2000 · 11th October 2006, 18:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by [LEFT)

decoweenie[/left];72082]I am sorry but, IMHO, that is a very poor excuse...

I keep hearing people making excuses of why they dive solo on Rebreather, and most of the time, the reason used is because lack of CCR divers as buddies.

I have been diving Rebreather only since 1998'ish, and majority of the time with OC buddies (due to lack of RB buddies). IMHO, there is no practical difference between diving with RB or OC buddies providing the buddies are well informed about the unit.

As most of my dives are of technical-nature (i.e.

trimix

) and I carry adequate bail-out so it makes no difference who I dive with.

I must agree I have been on both sides of the coin When I was OC my CCR buddy would sometimes stay down longer (if it were a drift dive we would stay together) it was a dive plan we both felt comfortable with and I have done it with OC divers now that I am CCR diving.

11th October 2006, 01:58	#1 (permalink)
Marc T hell is in the details Current Rebreather/s: RB80 / Clone Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet RB80 / Clone Home Build Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: FRANCE Carcassonne Posts: 440	Complacency m'a tuer Sorry, only frenchies can understand the joke in the tittle but I cant resist The récent threadS about complacency make me think a little. Whats more dangerous? Seeing you have been complacent and trying not to be again? Saying again and again dont be complacent,till perhaps you become complacent yourself? Arent the bests instructors in all sports or job complacent from time to time for themselves, OF COURSE THEY ARE like all human are, so the problem is to deal with human capacity and problem without dreaming becoming perfect or stopping making errors! Complacency is a simple "sticker-word" on a complex phenomenom and this simple word is now an obstacle for understanding why you do some mistake. Just a small example about check list: whats the most securel? you read your check list, you read it out loud, somehone read it and you check. Its evident that Rebreather diving is dangerous and the great danger is you with your non waterproof brain playing with a silent gun underwater. Complacency kill yah thats the final joke because its now so well known and helpfull than saying cancer can kill you. Anyway dive safe, and dont have cancer. Cheers Marc
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11th October 2006, 04:07	#2 (permalink)
*ScubaDadMiami* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 1,937	Re: Complacency m'a tuer Perhaps more than one person, working together as a team, double checking for each other? If one person gets lazy about something, the other is there to maintain discipline, and then all one can do is hope that both do not have a complacency moment at the same time. Honestly, I will admit to diving solo enough that I am not going to preach to others about whether to do it or not. I would love to be in a team more often. However, since going CCR, the reality is that I am back to a lot more solo diving. Hey, do as I say, not as I do! __________________ Howard Packer IANTD CCR Instructor Miami Beach, Florida CCRDiveTraining.com
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11th October 2006, 04:13	#3 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,888	Re: Complacency m'a tuer Discipline. Always do the basic stuff well. Always do it the same way. Anything out of the ordinary becomes obvious. The best description of an Inspo I've heard was "that little yellow pygmy on your back holding a shotgun to your head". Quote: (Originally Posted by Marc T) Sorry, only frenchies can understand the joke in the tittle but I cant resist The récent threadS about complacency make me think a little. Whats more dangerous? Seeing you have been complacent and trying not to be again? Saying again and again dont be complacent,till perhaps you become complacent yourself? Arent the bests instructors in all sports or job complacent from time to time for themselves, OF COURSE THEY ARE like all human are, so the problem is to deal with human capacity and problem without dreaming becoming perfect or stopping making errors! Complacency is a simple "sticker-word" on a complex phenomenom and this simple word is now an obstacle for understanding why you do some mistake. Just a small example about check list: whats the most securel? you read your check list, you read it out loud, somehone read it and you check. Its evident that Rebreather diving is dangerous and the great danger is you with your non waterproof brain playing with a silent gun underwater. Complacency kill yah thats the final joke because its now so well known and helpfull than saying cancer can kill you. Anyway dive safe, and dont have cancer. Cheers Marc __________________ www.southwestmafia.com It's as easy as abc; a) "Carry adequate bailout" b) "If in doubt, bail out" c) "Always know your PO2" If you find that hard, stick to crochet. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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11th October 2006, 07:29	#4 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Complacency m'a tuer Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami) ...since going CCR, the reality is that I am back to a lot more solo diving... I am sorry but, IMHO, that is a very poor excuse... I keep hearing people making excuses of why they dive solo on Rebreather, and most of the time, the reason used is because lack of CCR divers as buddies. I have been diving Rebreather only since 1998'ish, and majority of the time with OC buddies (due to lack of RB buddies). IMHO, there is no practical difference between diving with RB or OC buddies providing the buddies are well informed about the unit. As most of my dives are of technical-nature (i.e. trimix) and I carry adequate bail-out so it makes no difference who I dive with. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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11th October 2006, 18:12	#5 (permalink)
dive2dive2000 PRISM DIVER & LUVIN IT! Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 784	Re: Complacency m'a tuer Quote: (Originally Posted by [LEFT) decoweenie[/left];72082]I am sorry but, IMHO, that is a very poor excuse... I keep hearing people making excuses of why they dive solo on Rebreather, and most of the time, the reason used is because lack of CCR divers as buddies. I have been diving Rebreather only since 1998'ish, and majority of the time with OC buddies (due to lack of RB buddies). IMHO, there is no practical difference between diving with RB or OC buddies providing the buddies are well informed about the unit. As most of my dives are of technical-nature (i.e. trimix ) and I carry adequate bail-out so it makes no difference who I dive with. I must agree I have been on both sides of the coin When I was OC my CCR buddy would sometimes stay down longer (if it were a drift dive we would stay together) it was a dive plan we both felt comfortable with and I have done it with OC divers now that I am CCR diving. __________________ Safe Diving, Martin "but what's the fun of getting what you need, instead of what you want?"
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