Alpinists

edster

As the newest of newbies... (17 days and counting till I get my box) I wonder if there is an OC equivalent to an alpinist? It s an interesting approach I wont be taking to start with , but can someone tell me what they mean by it ? I assume it is along the lines of 'I am very very very anal about getting my kit just so, and I'm confident it wont go pop at 100m' ?

Any info gratefully received

Cheers

Ed

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lizardland

In mountaineering it means doing ascents without any support, carrying everything you need, everything needs to do two or three jobs or stays at base, etc.

I suppose DIR -- done properly as opposed to without any thought and followed mindlessly -- is probably the closest OC equivalent.

Mark Chase

Personaly I reckon DIR is not very alpinist as they operate masive safety margins in to gas reserves and they only buddy dive.

To me an aplinist OC dive would be diving without gas reservs of any type.

When you finish the dive with less than 40bar in every tank sort of thing.

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edster

mmm thats sort of what I was thinking... is it me or does there seem to be more acceptance / regard for 'Alpinism' amongst Rebreather divers than in OC? For example - i've never heard it used by OC divers, nor the concept promoted...

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Beanie

single cylinders?

no bailout . no reserves?

not sure there is one

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Mark Chase

Sort of but there are still a LOT of OC divers out there using 50% as a deco gas on deep dives so if they lost their twin set they have no way of getting from the bottom to their first breathable gas. I have seen enough divers failing to do shut downs in an emergancy (and just for practice sometimes) to know thats not always going to work.

Surley there are 1000's of alpinist OC divers out there. It will be all the 30m single tank single first stage no bailout PADI mob

My buddy will save me Yeah right

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onetime

Nearest OW equivalent are the guys I've seen who dive singles with a pony bottle and use the pony to extend dive time rather than as a redundant system.

ROB DAVIE

Quote: (Originally Posted by edster)

mmm thats sort of what I was thinking... is it me or does there seem to be more acceptance / regard for 'Alpinism' amongst Rebreather divers than in OC? For example - i've never heard it used by OC divers, nor the concept promoted...

Edster,

I haven't had a chance before to welcome you to Ford's "Black Sheep Squadron" of re-breather pilots! We're glad to have you here!

We have a diverse, well educated, and very experienced group of re-breather divers from all over the world, with all sorts of diving backgrounds.

We have brand newbies, just looking to start, or just starting out on their adventures on the "Dark Side" of diving. We have folks who have been at this for a few years, but who are sharp enough to know that there is always something to be learned, if one keeps an open mind. There are others who have been at this since Hector was a pup, and we learn lot from them.

The thing that really makes this Board different from others, is that we ACCEPT all of our fellow re-breather creatures! We do not PROMOTE any one style or type of diving.

We're here to learn from each other, to tell and read good diving stories, and to have fun. We don't expect our folks to be Boy and Girl Guides, but we do expect a certain level of civility from all members.

As for Alpinism as a style, I do not dive that way, nor do any of the members of the staff dive that way, yet we respect that as a choice by some of our members.

Tom Mount, the "God of the Sea" and head of IANTD once famously said: "As long as one is properly and fully informed of the risks, any adult has the right to go out and risk himself any damn way he chooses!" (Quote is somewhat cleaned up for public use.)

So again, welcome to "Rebreather World". Dig in, ask questions, and enjoy!

Rob Davie

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edster

Hi Rob

Thanks for the welcome! Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking to get into a 'Rebreather DIR' type argument, and I'm not suggesting there's any evangelical promotion going on. I'm sure within the recreational OC world there are a lot more people who dont think it through to the same degree as most of the boys and girls here. Indeed the 30m single diver is almost certainly an Alpinist who doesnt know it.. and probably doesnt have the alpine quality gear either!!
Its the fact that there is some recognition of it as an acceptable approach that I find interesting and seeing that sort of stuff on the boards keeps me coming back for a look. A grownup approach to risk is always refreshing!

cheers

Ed

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